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Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1361	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:04:00 - [1] - Quote The 1.7 Duvolle Assault Rifle will have higher DPS than the 1.7 Ishukone Assault Forge Gun. So, my Ishukone FG in 1.7 will not kill a fully tanked Heavy in 1 shot, but a Duvolle will still dump out a clip faster than I can charge 1 shot to take out a Full HP Heavy with rounds to spare. This seems to make perfect sense.[:roll] "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1574	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:09:00 - [2] - Quote Insert dust remix of 2 PACs 'that's just the way it is' tune lol Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1599	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:09:00 - [3] - Quote Well the LTBG finally gets what they want.... Sucks doesn't it? My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8368	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:13:00 - [4] - Quote Forge gun's primary purpose isn't to kill infantry, and it's not a "dps" weapon.... Why aren't you saying how easily a Duvolle takes down a Madrugar, that's equally ridiculous Also, you aren't factoring in all your damage increases. If I survived a forge gun blast as a heavy I would feel like Zeus Win ISK / Vids / O7
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1361	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:18:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Forge gun's primary purpose isn't to kill infantry, and it's not a "dps" weapon.... Why aren't you saying how easily a Duvolle takes down a Madrugar, that's equally ridiculous Also, you aren't factoring in all your damage increases. If I survived a forge gun blast as a heavy I would feel like Zeus The Ishukone FG is the DPS FG though. I know Vehicle users are just overflowing with excitement now because they will be able to run nearly unchecked in 1.7 because of the Massive Nerf Bat Beatdown AV received. Also, you dropped a Tank on a UMC- Dropship full of UMC- Mercs in a FW match. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
R F Gyro Clones 4u 776	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:40:00 - [6] - Quote The FG's purpose is to do maximum damage in one shot. The AR's purpose is to do much less damage per shot, but to have a much higher rate of fire. Damage Per Second is a convenient metric for sustained fire situations, but for things like the FG in an infantry battle it is essentially meaningless. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4372	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:41:00 - [7] - Quote That is the stupidest comparison ever. I don't even have to explain why. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1154	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:43:00 - [8] - Quote You know what's messed up? When you're engaged with a fight with a HMGer while using a HMG and he has more range on you while your system stutters. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1364	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:50:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: That is the stupidest comparison ever. I don't even have to explain why. Oh, yea, because a Light infantry weapon should outperform a Heavy Infantry Weapon hands down 24/7/365. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 194	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:52:00 - [10] - Quote Ishukone FG will still vaporize people, look at the damage for christs sake. 1500 base damage x 1.15 for prof -> 1725 damage before damage mods. With two damage mods and no proficiency it should be enough. 1500 x 1.10 x 1.087 -> 1793 damage Combined: 1500 x 1.10 x 1.087 x 1.15 -> 2062. It's the lower versions I feel bad for.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 194	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:54:00 - [11] - Quote What I'm pissed about is charge time, going to have to retrain my timing. And any chance of medium range combat vs infantry just took a severe nerf.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1364	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:54:00 - [12] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: Ishukone FG will still vaporize people, look at the damage for christs sake. 1500 base damage x 1.15 for prof -> 1725 damage before damage mods. With two damage mods and no proficiency it should be enough. 1500 x 1.10 x 1.087 -> 1793 damage Combined: 1500 x 1.10 x 1.087 x 1.15 -> 2062. It's the lower versions I feel bad for. That's all fine and dandy, except for the fact that 1 guy with a Duvolle could gun you down before you can charge up. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 494	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:57:00 - [13] - Quote honestly the only av i feel needs massive nerfing are av nades. everything else looks fine to me. i just wish there was a free fire swarm launcher
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 318	Posted - 2013.12.05 15:58:00 - [14] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: Ishukone FG will still vaporize people, look at the damage for christs sake. 1500 base damage x 1.15 for prof -> 1725 damage before damage mods. With two damage mods and no proficiency it should be enough. 1500 x 1.10 x 1.087 -> 1793 damage Combined: 1500 x 1.10 x 1.087 x 1.15 -> 2062. It's the lower versions I feel bad for. why would you ever use a sentinel suit with FG? ADV heavies heavy better then a sentinel due to the extra high slot. How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 149	Posted - 2013.12.05 16:08:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Forge gun's primary purpose isn't to kill infantry, and it's not a "dps" weapon.... Why aren't you saying how easily a Duvolle takes down a Madrugar, that's equally ridiculous Also, you aren't factoring in all your damage increases. If I survived a forge gun blast as a heavy I would feel like Zeus This. I've seen the FG one shot installations and tanks... What it's designed for. I've never seen a duvolle AR do that. But an AR should take down any infantry, that's what it's designed for... however I've still seen guys that are really good with the FG still snipe infantry from long ranges.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 782	Posted - 2013.12.05 16:12:00 - [16] - Quote Awww, FG not so much a magical fantasy weapon anymore. Here's your alicorn. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Watch DUST burn! DESTROY DUST 2014

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