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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:08:00 -
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becuase its not a respec, its a refund of skills that no longer exsist |
PEW JACKSON
s i n g u l a r i t y
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:20:00 -
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@ OP CCP caters to the nabs with the most $$$
Most of CCP's revenue comes from AUR med frames and ARs + Grenades.
Ar med frames cried OP about tanks, tanks get reworked(nerfed).
CCP gives tankers & other pilots a chance to spec infantry = profit.
They don't want their precious infantry speccing into something that won't make them $$$ |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:20:00 -
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Karl Marx II wrote:PS The real issue is that vehicle users should be restricted to only investing that SP back into vehicles .. however they now have the option to spec into infantry and infantry don;t get the option to spec into vehicles .. that's why people are complaining about it
This has been my argument the entire time. I just wanted those people who want INTO the new tanks (and there are quite a few) to be able to. And I want my AR SP's back, too, which I only put into AR's because no real alternative.
Before anyone calls me FOTM chaser or whatever, I specced tanks while they were weak, and am speccing out now, also specced CalLogi AFTER the nerf. I'm not FOTM, though I do want RR's, I'm just a Caldari who wants her money's worth, like all Caldari.
Names of playstyles
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
954
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:26:00 -
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I imagine once we get missing racial dropsuits, missing heavy weapons, and missing sidearms, we'll get an infantry respec. |
Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:26:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Just make a respec cost 10k Aurum and 5% of your total SP.
Only people who royally screwed the pooch are using them then.
Actually 10k AUR is too cheap by my calculations. It should instead be at least 40k AUR. Also, making it cost SP is only like adding in an additional AUR surcharge because you spend AUR to get boosters that get you that same SP back again. So just make it cost one "currency" AUR instead of two AUR & SP when SP ~ AUR. Here is a discussion thread about it:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118583&find=unread
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CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
494
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Posted - 2013.12.05 19:33:00 -
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so all vehicle skills getting refunded?.
i suppose i could put it into better stuff i think ill just wait though. and keep using my preferred set of weaponry.
i really hope they dont raise the sp prices on any of the skills though.
the only skills that should get an sp refund is either when the price was lowered then u keep the skill and only get a partial refund of the sp from that skill.
or sp prices for the skill are raised so u get all of your sp back and lose the skill. and possibly anything that requires it.
i think those should be the only exceptions for an sp refund.
a change to the skills function and purpose shouldnt be a part of the reason as the fotm chasers i hear so much about would only get stuck with crappy skills. do to their abuse of the respec system itself.
and smart thinking can go along way for the game. so if stupid ppl would stop trying to obtain the most op thing they can find things would probably be better.
i honestly think if a large group of ppl fully specced into something just so they can stomp everything else into the ground only to be nerfed later then that is the punishment.
instead of spending smart. the temptation for this group of ppl had to use the most op thing available.
all the nerfs and buffs themselves will mostly hurt and help every1 at the same time.
if a player only put enough sp into a certain weapon just to unlock it and try it out. only for it to be nerfed later then i dont see it as a massive waste of sp then.
they only got the least of the punishment. while those that completely specced into it just to pubstomp with it got the worst.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
645
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:17:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Just make a respec cost 10k Aurum and 5% of your total SP.
Only people who royally screwed the pooch are using them then.
40k AUR and 50% of your SP |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
956
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:19:00 -
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because respecs are something that happens in mag, not dust. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:20:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Fuzzy McTickles wrote: I understand you're Taking out and adding skills Answered your own question. Only adding two rifles, not a total rework of suits and weapons.
Theres a TOTAL nerf of all AV weaponry... : /
WELCOME! TO ARMORED MED514 : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565076#post1565076
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
956
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:22:00 -
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Fuzzy McTickles wrote:Ok, now that I understand all that, why is this practically the only game with a skill tree and no option to respec for a price?
because other games restrict what you can skill into, and dust does not. |
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
956
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:23:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Just make a respec cost 10k Aurum and 5% of your total SP.
Only people who royally screwed the pooch are using them then.
lol. let's make it cost one isk, and a militia rifle. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
529
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Posted - 2013.12.05 20:30:00 -
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low genius wrote:Fuzzy McTickles wrote:Ok, now that I understand all that, why is this practically the only game with a skill tree and no option to respec for a price? because other games restrict what you can skill into, and dust does not.
This is a lie, What really happens is that you have to hop over SP walls only for CCP to change effectiveness of the item you skilled into, making it near useless. Then you're forced to play this mediocre game for another month or 2 to make up for the SP lost and pray that CCP doesn't touch what you skilled into.
Chrome was where Dust had real customization, you could instantly skill into whatever you want and the SP wall didn't stop new and intermediate players from doing so. |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
350
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Posted - 2013.12.06 07:18:00 -
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Fuzzy McTickles wrote:I'm not an idiot when it comes to this game and I don't chase the FOTM I also hate COD with a burning passion, I came into this game knowing nothing and have accumulated my knowledge, now with my knowledge I can create myself in my own image but with almost 1.5mil skill points speced into things all over the place (like a first time New player) it just makes my journey a hell of a lot longer when I could have gear that fits my self built image. I'd rather not start a whole New clone since I have worked so hard to get to where I am (3.5mil sp) granted that's not much compared to other players but that Ill placed 1.5mil from when I started could be better spent fine tuning my heavy frame
Then keep that in mind with the ned 3.5m SP.
We all make retrospectively considered and evaluated decisions the present themselves as less than ideal.
Life is less than ideal, but we all seem to suck it up and move on. BUT HERE, OH NO!!!! Because it is a GÇ£game,GÇ¥ do-overs must be allowed!
That is NOT the case. Neither in life, and not here in New Eden.
Does it suck? YES! Does it make some of us tear up? ABOSFUKINGLUTELY!!! Angry, frustrated, perturbed????All of the above.
But the only reason that is happening is because there were expectations crawling about and filling your head with nonsense. Flush the toilet. Get ride of that crude an build up that is expectation and ego. Spend enough time here, it will be crushed and spat back at you.
Think of this as a lesson. A rough one, and one that you really had NO desire to trudge through, let alone learn. But experience it, you must, learning it is a choice. Do you continue to bask in the agony of discomfort, or do you rip the band aid off and suffer for only a instance in the grand scheme of reality and the universe.
I would much rather go the later route. It keeps my sanity and the moral flexibility necessary to survive in this world and the cage we have built for ourselves. Try it out. If you encounter something that you recognize as being able to instigate attachment in you, get rid of it. This is especially true with expectations. They are an unnecessary weight tied to your ankles, that will only make you sink no matter how hard you kick and fight.
"Mind is the Only reality, of which all other natures are better or worse reflections.GÇ¥ RWE
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Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
350
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Posted - 2013.12.06 07:20:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:low genius wrote:Fuzzy McTickles wrote:Ok, now that I understand all that, why is this practically the only game with a skill tree and no option to respec for a price? because other games restrict what you can skill into, and dust does not. This is a lie, What really happens is that you have to hop over SP walls only for CCP to change effectiveness of the item you skilled into, making it near useless. Then you're forced to play this mediocre game for another month or 2 to make up for the SP lost and pray that CCP doesn't touch what you skilled into. Chrome was where Dust had real customization, you could instantly skill into whatever you want and the SP wall didn't stop new and intermediate players from doing so.
QUIUT CRYING!
And in Chromosome, CCP was allowing, hell encouraging us to break this game. We did. And because we accomplished the goal set out for us, this is what we get.
GET OVER IT! I did, to an extent.
EDIT: Plus I feel that you may not have played in Chromosome all that much because there were a number of more atrocious issues to deal with than the skill tree and have 5X the amount of SP per match. ThatGÇÖs where you got your sense of a false normative standard. It wasnGÇÖt normal at all.
If anything, this is probably a bit more GÇ£normalGÇ¥ and actually holds a little bit better sense of equilibrium. That is not to say that this is any where near fixed, but it is evolving over time in how it looks to us, how we interact with it, and the affects it has upon our daily lives.
"Mind is the Only reality, of which all other natures are better or worse reflections.GÇ¥ RWE
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Ivy Zalinto
Bobbit's Hangmen
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Posted - 2013.12.06 07:28:00 -
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Whereas I would love a respec to get some points out of things I just dont use, it is completely unnecessary. The removals of certain things and the addition of two new rifles suggests only vehicle users NEED the respec. Infantry just doesn't.
Dedicated scout.
Player bodyguard
Pistol supremacy.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
814
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Posted - 2013.12.06 09:30:00 -
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"FOTM chaser" argument highlights which people lack common sense and suffering from tunnelvision syndrome.
just a note, alot people skilled up for something and CCP made their choice meaningless and I am not talking about nerfs, I am talking about core changes. just a simple example are people that decided to go for scouts where patch after patch CCP changed the dynamic and mechanic of their choices with changes in the core gameplay and simply made the class almost useless (with stuff like speed changes and aim assist). they got penalized for no reason, those players deserve a respec too.
in short, tank players should only be allow to place their SP back into tank skills. either everyone has to live with their choices or no one, it cant be more simple. |
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