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ReGnYuM 1414	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:14:00 - [1] - Quote For the most part I am generally happy with the changes that are being made to FW. I like the idea of being able to grind something other then ISK and SP. Furthermore, the thought of making my suit even stronger is cool However, I do have my concerns and issues 1. No player to player market -Kinda kills drive to sell these FW items 2. No official ranking system synced with standing -Standings are cool and all, but really don't mean anything. Why can't we have a solid ranking system? 3. Lastly, I really have no real issue with FF and if they do it they should be punished. However, if some starts to shoot me and I just turn around and drop them. I am somehow being punished for self defense? Overall it looks good now fix PC lag If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
R F Gyro Clones 4u 740	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:17:00 - [2] - Quote Does this mean we'll be seeing you there? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
True Adamance Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4508	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: For the most part I am generally happy with the changes that are being made to FW. I like the idea of being able to grind something other then ISK and SP. Furthermore, the thought of making my suit even stronger is cool However, I do have my concerns and issues 1. No player to player market -Kinda kills drive to sell these FW items 2. No official ranking system synced with standing -Standings are cool and all, but really don't mean anything. Why can't we have a solid ranking system? 3. Lastly, I really have no real issue with FF and if they do it they should be punished. However, if some starts to shoot me and I just turn around and drop them. I am somehow being punished for self defense? Overall it looks good now fix PC lag Yup to too easy for good players to be penalised for the utter incompetence of scrubby blue dots. Blue berry crashed into my tank, am I penalised? Blue dot idiotically tries to TK you.... you turn around and eat his soul, are you penalised? FW rewards with no reason to have them, too hard to get, not sellable, FW a massive ISK sink that most players don't need? Yup future of my fav mode in Dust looks very dreary. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 292	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: 1. No player to player market -Kinda kills drive to sell these FW items IIRC, they addressed this fairly directly at EVE Vegas. Essentially, they said they could release the FW changes we're getting now, and just deal for a whileuntil the player-to-player market arrived...or implement something that fits into the rest of the game now, but spend a second dev cycle reworking it down the line when the full market is done. They chose the former option for long-term dev efficiency. RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2448	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:25:00 - [5] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: For the most part I am generally happy with the changes that are being made to FW. I like the idea of being able to grind something other then ISK and SP. Furthermore, the thought of making my suit even stronger is cool However, I do have my concerns and issues 1. No player to player market -Kinda kills drive to sell these FW items 2. No official ranking system synced with standing -Standings are cool and all, but really don't mean anything. Why can't we have a solid ranking system? 3. Lastly, I really have no real issue with FF and if they do it they should be punished. However, if some starts to shoot me and I just turn around and drop them. I am somehow being punished for self defense? Overall it looks good now fix PC lag Standing is not meant to be a ranking system. It's meant to measure your loyalty to any particular faction and keep you honest. You have a rankings system. It sucks because every stat possible can be padded. That will never change. You have another kind of ranking system. It's territory based. It is what it is, and its constantly changing. It can only be padded through politics, and taken through force. Nothing is permanent. That is ideal. What else is honestly possible?
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 251	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:27:00 - [6] - Quote Me being a Aggressive shotgun scout in front, blues behind trying to shoot my target... im gonna be teamed killed so many times My view on knives..... I DON'T KNOW WHAT IM DOING @_@
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5544	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:33:00 - [7] - Quote Quote: 1. No player to player market -Kinda kills drive to sell these FW items If you remember what CCP said early during the epic threads posted by CCP FoxFour covering the overhaul of FW, they said that this overhaul will come in multiple parts. What you see right now is Phase One of the overhaul. I wouldn't expect P2P trading for FW items to come until at least 1.9. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 711	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:34:00 - [8] - Quote Sadly, #3 is an issue in pretty much every game that punishes FF - kinda hard to fix as well, assuming you don't want teammates deliberately catching a couple of rounds from your AR in order to get a free pass to shoot you in the face.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5544	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:35:00 - [9] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: 1. No player to player market -Kinda kills drive to sell these FW items IIRC, they addressed this fairly directly at EVE Vegas. Essentially, they said they could release the FW changes we're getting now, and just deal for a whileuntil the player-to-player market arrived...or implement something that fits into the rest of the game now, but spend a second dev cycle reworking it down the line when the full market is done. They chose the former option for long-term dev efficiency. This reminds me, the Dev Blog covering FW doesn't make up the patch notes. We are still waiting on the rest. I wouldn't expect trading to come until 1.9 but I will amazed if it comes in 1.7. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5544	Posted - 2013.12.03 22:36:00 - [10] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Sadly, #3 is an issue in pretty much every game that punishes FF - kinda hard to fix as well, assuming you don't want teammates deliberately catching a couple of rounds from your AR in order to get a free pass to shoot you in the face. Exactly. It's impossible for the system to know whether or not your shooting someone for griefing or self defense. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.

Sephirian Fair 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 144	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:01:00 - [11] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: 3. Lastly, I really have no real issue with FF and if they do it they should be punished. However, if some starts to shoot me and I just turn around and drop them. I am somehow being punished for self defense? I too am wondering if there is something, anything that protects that players legitimately playing the game. It seems to either just let them kill you or drop them in self defense and be penalized. Lose-lose situation both ways for the afflicted while the griever gets his rocks off either way. Maken Tosch wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Sadly, #3 is an issue in pretty much every game that punishes FF - kinda hard to fix as well, assuming you don't want teammates deliberately catching a couple of rounds from your AR in order to get a free pass to shoot you in the face. Exactly. It's impossible for the system to know whether you're shooting someone for griefing or self defense. Even in that case, that's all about watching your shots. You can control that. With the proposed system, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. You can't control someone who decides to make it his mission to try and grief you. You either let him kill you or you drop his ass, both of which is a huge penalty to you. If there is a retaliation system, you control whether or not you shoot someone. A lot less people will bother trying to TK when there is a retaliation system and even fewer will go to the difficulty of trying to get deliberately shot to TK you with no penalty. Despite that one drawback, you can put measures in such as time between shots that determine if the retaliation system remains active. EX. If you hit someone, it starts your retaliation timer, but if you don't hit that same person in another 3-5-10 seconds, the retaliation system deactivates. Any system is better than the no system currently. There are no real penalties. The ones by CCP are pitiful and harm the legitimate players more than the griefers.
ReGnYuM 1417	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:19:00 - [12] - Quote Sorry but the more I think about it. The more I think FW is a half baked caked. Standings but with no ranking system LP store with no player to player trading. Getting a real PC 1.0 vibe and we all know happened there If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1440	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:25:00 - [13] - Quote I thought you didn't play any more "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1138	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:25:00 - [14] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: For the most part I am generally happy with the changes that are being made to FW. I like the idea of being able to grind something other then ISK and SP. Furthermore, the thought of making my suit even stronger is cool However, I do have my concerns and issues 1. No player to player market -Kinda kills drive to sell these FW items 2. No official ranking system synced with standing -Standings are cool and all, but really don't mean anything. Why can't we have a solid ranking system? 3. Lastly, I really have no real issue with FF and if they do it they should be punished. However, if some starts to shoot me and I just turn around and drop them. I am somehow being punished for self defense? Overall it looks good now fix PC lag Your concerns and issues is just stuff that will be in sooner or later and you want now. Not really an issue or a concern. I mean they can't just release everything. They have to develop that stuff first. So it will come. It just takes time. Be happy with what we get for now. I mean these are extremely big changes. When FoxFour mentioned them for the first time a few months ago I thought all of what we get now will be implemented over the course of 3 or 4 patches.
ReGnYuM 1417	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:29:00 - [15] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: I thought you didn't play any more Sigh pubstomping in bf4 just is not the same lol Kz is fun, but need more experience to CB If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 520	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:31:00 - [16] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: I thought you didn't play any more Sigh pubstomping in bf4 just is not the same lol Kz is fun, but need more experience to CB Haha. You can't escape. Doubles ISK
Cosgar ParagonX 8273	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:35:00 - [17] - Quote It's probably safer to reserve judgement until they fix TTK. It's good we have an ISK sink like this to stable out the economy at the very least. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
ReGnYuM 1417	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:38:00 - [18] - Quote Cosgar wrote: It's probably safer to reserve judgement until they fix TTK. It's good we have an ISK sink like this to stable out the economy at the very least. I don't' know about you good sir, but I plan to make boatloads of isk off FW If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death


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