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Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 348	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:49:00 - [1] - Quote So i'll start off by saying that I do my fair share of BA ISK Farming. I would go in with some uplinks and play toy soldiers, see if I could get those wet behind the ears Mercs to actually do something useful. It was fun, and I won't lie, I gunned down more than my fair share of hapless noobs, but more often than not I like to work with the uplinks/CRUs, try and control the flow of battle, and I always run solo. Anyway, I've gone into some BA matches lately (ISK is a bit tight at the moment) and i'm a little appalled at whats going on. Dropships flying around, placing Logis on roofs who in turn litter the tops of buildings with uplinks. Tanks rolling through the streets absolutely crushing masses of ignorant noobs. Advanced squad tactics that immediately result in one side getting completely and irreversibly red lined. I would say at this point at least 30-50% of BA matches have at least 1 full squad of vets on a team. Take this as QQing if you want, but this is posing a serious problem to the health of the game. These new players are getting absolutely crushed right out of the gate. I'm talking just plain out bent over a table and **** in the ass. Add to this the fact I've seen it take upwards of 4 minutes at times to find a BA match over the past few days. People say increase required WP for BA Graduation. I say bull pucky. Well, not completely. The way I see it there is 2 options. Option 1- Eliminate BA completely. Introduce a MAG-esq tutorial mission, have the new player do a little bit of everything (maybe like fire an AR, SCR, Shotgun, Forge, ect ect, hack some CRUs/Depots, call in a vehicle). Maybe have some super short videos of each individual class, giving the new player some sort of knowledge base to make decisions. Then either outright give the noob say, I don't know, 2-3mil SP, or give this 2-3mil SP out the way they currently give out equipment in BA (250k SP for making a suit, 500K SP for fighting in your first battle, ect ect). Have them jump right into the game. Option 2**- Keep the BA, but make all ISK non-transferable. When the new player reaches BA Graduation, they are prompted to spend their ISK on equipment, and unspent ISK is removed from the player upon graduation. Just a thought, people may not agree. But in my eyes BA is broken, and for the health of the game, the problems need to be addressed.
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 15	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:22:00 - [2] - Quote Writing a book?
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 349	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:35:00 - [3] - Quote Still working on your reading skills?
Joel II X AHPA 263	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:46:00 - [4] - Quote I agree that Battle Academy should be altered somehow, but I don't know how neither do I know how I feel about your ideas. Do you mind expanding your thoughts on the changes part?
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 16	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:52:00 - [5] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Still working on your reading skills? Actually, I have BETTER things to do then waste 5 minutes of my life on your book.
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 582	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:57:00 - [6] - Quote So basically what you're saying is that the problem with BA is people like you going there and beating up on noobs. Then just STOP. It's pathetic. You can ISK farm in pub matches in the MCC like everyone else. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 350	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:03:00 - [7] - Quote To be honest I haven't thought out the details too much. Basically Option 1 takes the current BA out completely. The game MAG (which was similar in some respects to Dust) had you complete what was basically an obstacle course when you first made a new character. You would run, jump, crouch, all the general navigation stuff. Then you would shoot, throw a nade, and I think mark a target or something. In total it took like 5 minutes or something, and after that you were off to fight regular battles. I think this would be better for new players. The BA is currently as brutal if not more so than regular battles for new players. Just get them out there in the real stuff, there is no point in holding them back with the BA in the state it is currently in. As for the SP part, since they won't have the supposedly "safer" BA to "practice" in, i'd say find a way to give them an agreeable amount of SP fairly quickly. The current BA system gives new players equipment (such as low grade dropsuits, armor plates, ect ect) when they complete objectives such as joining and fighting their first battle, or making their first suit. I say instead give them SP for completing these things. I said around 2-3mil at the most but that's just off the top of my head. Option 2 as I said would leave the BA in place, but making ISK nontransferable between regular players and those in the BA might deter vets from Babypunching. Making sure no ISK ever leaves the BA by forcing new characters to spend it or lose it upon BA Graduation I think would help. It would also make extending the BA time more feasible. Again, this is all just brainstorming. I think another thing that may help is a new gamemode (which many have been calling for). I think an all militia mode would be cool, even though passives will still have a massive impact. Make this mode pay out decent and people will gravitate towards it, and maybe the BA can return to normal for the players it is suppose to be for.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 350	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:09:00 - [8] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: So basically what you're saying is that the problem with BA is people like you going there and beating up on noobs. Then just STOP. It's pathetic. You can ISK farm in pub matches in the MCC like everyone else. Yea, I go in there from time to time. But not with a squad. And I don't send money to my new char to deck it out with the best equipment I can get. I guess I should have just not said anything and we could all keep pretending like it doesn't happen? However you want to view me, this is still going on, whether I stop or not. If CCP wants to improve player retention, I feel this is a good place to start. Sorry if i'm putting your finances in jeopardy Roofer
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 350	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:12:00 - [9] - Quote But you got 5 minutes to waste on something you don't care about Elmo? That's the kind of attitude that kept you from learning to read in the first place.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1318	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:27:00 - [10] - Quote wish it had of been implemented like I originally wanted. first off anyone should be able to join an academy battle, vets and newbs, but the smaller the reward would be if you have higher sp. by the time you have 1 million sp you'd be gaining no isk and no sp from an academy battle. the battles themselves would be small arena sized battles with a few hackable objectives like supply depots and maybe a single null cannon, 4-6 man squads, and you would be auto joined into the squads if you had no squad to start. it was intended to allow players to leave when they felt they were ready rather then being forced out, and it was to teach players the basics of squad combat.

8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 904	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:39:00 - [11] - Quote I think there needs to be recruiting at the end battle academy. Education about squads and corporations. Going from academy to being alone in the slaughter that is public matches is a huge reason the game is failing.
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 583	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:43:00 - [12] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: Roofer Madness wrote: So basically what you're saying is that the problem with BA is people like you going there and beating up on noobs. Then just STOP. It's pathetic. You can ISK farm in pub matches in the MCC like everyone else. Yea, I go in there from time to time. But not with a squad. And I don't send money to my new char to deck it out with the best equipment I can get. I guess I should have just not said anything and we could all keep pretending like it doesn't happen? However you want to view me, this is still going on, whether I stop or not. If CCP wants to improve player retention, I feel this is a good place to start. Sorry if i'm putting your finances in jeopardy Roofer Hey, do what you like. It's your game too. I'm just pointing out that I think it is funny that you are part of the problem stated in your OP. There have been sooooo many other topics about this and you can tell CCP knows it is a problem because for a little while they kept tweaking BA. I guess they just gave up after nothing worked. As it stands most people are only spending a brief time in BA anyways. Protostomping in pubs is probably the real new player retention problem. But tiny playerbase = horrible matchmaking. That is the true problem here. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 250	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:44:00 - [13] - Quote calisk galern wrote: wish it had of been implemented like I originally wanted. first off anyone should be able to join an academy battle, vets and newbs, but the smaller the reward would be if you have higher sp. by the time you have 1 million sp you'd be gaining no isk and no sp from an academy battle. the battles themselves would be small arena sized battles with a few hackable objectives like supply depots and maybe a single null cannon, 4-6 man squads, and you would be auto joined into the squads if you had no squad to start. it was intended to allow players to leave when they felt they were ready rather then being forced out, and it was to teach players the basics of squad combat. To add to this, it can bring veteran players to help the newcomers, while getting rid of the ones who are just there to troll the newcomers. Names of playstyles
Cosgar ParagonX 8199	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:57:00 - [14] - Quote NPE sucks, but what's worse is that new players don't have a place. In EVE they have tackling which is an invaluable skill set for new players, but in Dust they're just cannon fodder for the first month or so of their merc career. The battle academy was only a bandaid to CCP's lack of interest in making the NPE better and are paying for it through player retention. What are we down to now? ~4000 players on the weekends? I wonder if cutting their nose off to spite their face is worth it in hindsight. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1550	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:02:00 - [15] - Quote This is an all time low, people need to farm the academy for isk now? Omfg, just do everyone a favour and quit lol. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 494	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:32:00 - [16] - Quote only 1 battle for battle academy. i made an alt for the 2nd time check it out again. 47-5. didnt even invest a single thing of sp. i killed a few aur tanks witha mlt swarm launcher. killed alot with a pistol. pretty much turned the battle from a loss to a win. over 3k wp on that match. although the battle felt relatively small. i kinda took control of the team and tried to teach them some tactics on winning. also alot of them have extremely slow reaction times. turning it into a mlt only mode with certain std weapons allowed could help out the new players. and then making it impossible to join the matches with squads of 3-6 players could help prevent corp stomps. this would allow for the battles sizes to be made bigger and possibly more fun in the end. and also help the newbies learn how to play with out being subjected to the endless slaughter known as our matchmaking.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 350	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:46:00 - [17] - Quote [quote=Roofer Madness I'm just pointing out that I think it is funny that you are part of the problem stated in your OP[/quote] I've yet to wrangle 5 other Corp members to squad up in BA, and other than the starter LAV I drop no vehicles. I stick to the shadows and play the uplink game. But I guess this is the same as squad tactics and vehicle domination. The things you are worried about are the equivalent of what is going down in BA. Except Pubs, FW, and PC are where you are suppose to use Proto. BA should be for new players, not seasoned vets squading up and sending ISK to their new alts to dominate the helpless. I personally think its funny you could give a damn about what goes down in BA, but you, a vet, wants to cry because there is too much Proto in normal game modes.


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