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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:03:00 -
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Logi
ANYONE who uses a logistics suit for ANY purpose whatsoever
-logictics is a SUIT -medic is a playstyle -not all people wearing logistics suits are medics
i suggest you all keep this in mind when you write your logi QQ threads
now if your complaint is that you believe all logis should be medics i suggest you instead make petition threads demanding each suit come with a rep tool and stabby stick manditory, and that the name should be changed to medic.
because thats that only way any of your bitching is validated.
yes im a logi, no im not a medic.
but i will still give you some presents in the form of remote explosives, because my class is "Demolitions" not logi, and certainly not medic.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:05:00 -
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Logistics is a role.
Just SSJ.
My logi-code.
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
683
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:06:00 -
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YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE
Good god.
CALDARI MASTER RACE
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
297
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:08:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE
Good god.
thats about 7 too many corrections. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
8174
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:09:00 -
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More logistics threads. It must be Monday...
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:11:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Logistics is a role.
Just SSJ.
then whats a plane ole medium frame? a role as well?
your not technically wrong, but within this context you are.
as any suit can fulfil any role. (however bad at it they may be they can still fill that role) |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:15:00 -
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The standard was set in EVE with Logistics ships that are designed for fleet support, hence the assumption that Logistics on the ground would echo that same sentiment.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:15:00 -
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People know this. I think they think CCP intended the logistics to be a medic or something.
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Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:15:00 -
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Oh shut up and rep me.
"We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:21:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The standard was set in EVE with Logistics ships that are designed for fleet support, hence the assumption that Logistics on the ground would echo that same sentiment.
its funny though because when push comes to shove in eve they use carriers and super carriers for the reps :P
the logistics ships are only really used in incursions/multiboxing/small gang/netural rep trolling/
so really EvE set the standard for things not being used in ways that their name would suggest. |
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:21:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Logistics is a role.
Just SSJ. then whats a plane ole medium frame? a role as well? your not technically wrong, but within this context you are. as any suit can fulfil any role. (however bad at it they may be they can still fill that role)
A medium frame is a suit. It has no definition other than "a medium-framed dropsuit."
The "logistics" in the title of the logistics suit is basically a descriptive of what the logistics suit does...which is logistics.
Your bringing remote explosives for deployment to the battlefield. You are combat-logistics.
My logi-code.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8175
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The standard was set in EVE with Logistics ships that are designed for fleet support, hence the assumption that Logistics on the ground would echo that same sentiment. EVE is a space combat sandbox MMORPG, Dust 514 is a lobby based FPS. We all have guns, our job is to kill each other while making money first and our secondary role second. Some logis help their team by repping the teammate that's getting shot at, others shoot the guy that's about the shoot their teammate and rep him between fights. You've said before that you used to use an AR with your heavy. Play the way you want and **** what everyone else says. It's a ****ing FPS, not Dungeons and Douchebags.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
298
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:24:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Logistics is a role.
Just SSJ. then whats a plane ole medium frame? a role as well? your not technically wrong, but within this context you are. as any suit can fulfil any role. (however bad at it they may be they can still fill that role) A medium frame is a suit. It has no definition other than "a medium-framed dropsuit." The "logistics" in the title of the logistics suit is basically a descriptive of what the logistics suit does...which is logistics. Your bringing remote explosives for deployment to the battlefield. You are combat-logistics.
int he real world logistics is a open ended catch all for "the **** that happens behind the curtain" aka how goods get from point A to point B
i know becuase ive worked in "logistics" for 5 years
and ill tell ya if you really want loading an unloading trailers to be a role in DUST514 then your welcome to make a petition in for that.
in real world military practics the "logistics" role is typically people who arnt put directly into combat, and you certainly wouldnt want them in your 16 man kill squad your sending in, they are more likely to be the ones flying the warbarge and maintaining the RDVs. the mechanic that works on the hummer is logistics, not the guy who drives it.
as for your logic, if "logistics" is a role because the suit is named that then "medium frame" is also a role |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8198
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:33:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The standard was set in EVE with Logistics ships that are designed for fleet support, hence the assumption that Logistics on the ground would echo that same sentiment. EVE is a space combat sandbox MMORPG, Dust 514 is a lobby based FPS. We all have guns, our job is to kill each other while making money first and our secondary role second. Some logis help their team by repping the teammate that's getting shot at, others shoot the guy that's about the shoot their teammate and rep him between fights. You've said before that you used to use an AR with your heavy. Play the way you want and **** what everyone else says. It's a ****ing FPS, not Dungeons and Douchebags. No need to call out the dogs, I was simply saying what CCP seems to have wanted Logistics to be in EVE, and hence, where the name came from. I still think logi's are a bit too wonder bread, but I don't claim to know the "solution". CCPs interest in giving them equipment based bonuses intrigues me though. And again, not saying one way or the other here, but SMG's are pretty damn boss
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:38:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Logistics is a role.
Just SSJ. then whats a plane ole medium frame? a role as well? your not technically wrong, but within this context you are. as any suit can fulfil any role. (however bad at it they may be they can still fill that role) A medium frame is a suit. It has no definition other than "a medium-framed dropsuit." The "logistics" in the title of the logistics suit is basically a descriptive of what the logistics suit does...which is logistics. Your bringing remote explosives for deployment to the battlefield. You are combat-logistics. int he real world logistics is a open ended catch all for "the **** that happens behind the curtain" aka how goods get from point A to point B i know becuase ive worked in "logistics" for 5 years and ill tell ya if you really want loading an unloading trailers to be a role in DUST514 then your welcome to make a petition in for that. as for your logic, if "logistics" is a role because the suit is named that then "medium frame" is also a role
My logic is that the thing that separates a logistics suit from every other suit is the multiple equipment slots. Every single one has more than one. Equipment in this game is meant to assist the team in some fashion.
Logistics is maintenance, supplying, making sure **** gets to where it needs to be. You've worked the occupation for 5 years; you should know it's more than loading and unloading trailers.
My logi-code.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8179
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:40:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Cosgar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The standard was set in EVE with Logistics ships that are designed for fleet support, hence the assumption that Logistics on the ground would echo that same sentiment. EVE is a space combat sandbox MMORPG, Dust 514 is a lobby based FPS. We all have guns, our job is to kill each other while making money first and our secondary role second. Some logis help their team by repping the teammate that's getting shot at, others shoot the guy that's about the shoot their teammate and rep him between fights. You've said before that you used to use an AR with your heavy. Play the way you want and **** what everyone else says. It's a ****ing FPS, not Dungeons and Douchebags. No need to call out the dogs, I was simply saying what CCP seems to have wanted Logistics to be in EVE, and hence, where the name came from. I still think logi's are a bit too wonder bread, but I don't claim to know the "solution". CCPs interest in giving them equipment based bonuses intrigues me though. And again, not saying one way or the other here, but SMG's are pretty damn boss And I currently use the AR on my fatty, it's the only way to put in reliable solo work with a heavy, and I can run full BPOs with the exile, while benefiting from the skills. I have HMGs and ARs skilled the same, I just find the AR to be better in most situations. Plus, BPO I wish CCP would just scrap the goddamned 1 suit bonus and 1 racial system, do a basic tiericide, ike all suits having their proto slot layout at all tiers, with each different tier suit having 3-5 different flat bonuses. Everything is way to redundant with little to differentiate the classes and races.
And yes, SMGs are pretty dam boss. Too bad assaults aren't smart enough to use anything above a toxin.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
1513
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:40:00 -
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Logistics means versatality not support or whatever. Completely agree there.
The idea is that logistics are supposed to be good at all sorts of things and not just one specific thing. Heavies are good at defense, assaults are good at killing, scouts are good at being sneaky...Logistics are somewhat decent at all of those things, just not great in one area.
The problem is that the extra module slots that let them be versatile are used to just stack health and damage with very little downsides for using 3 or more modules.
Links:
List of Most Important Threads
I make logistics videos!
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
300
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:43:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Logistics is a role.
Just SSJ. then whats a plane ole medium frame? a role as well? your not technically wrong, but within this context you are. as any suit can fulfil any role. (however bad at it they may be they can still fill that role) A medium frame is a suit. It has no definition other than "a medium-framed dropsuit." The "logistics" in the title of the logistics suit is basically a descriptive of what the logistics suit does...which is logistics. Your bringing remote explosives for deployment to the battlefield. You are combat-logistics. int he real world logistics is a open ended catch all for "the **** that happens behind the curtain" aka how goods get from point A to point B i know becuase ive worked in "logistics" for 5 years and ill tell ya if you really want loading an unloading trailers to be a role in DUST514 then your welcome to make a petition in for that. as for your logic, if "logistics" is a role because the suit is named that then "medium frame" is also a role My logic is that the thing that separates a logistics suit from every other suit is the multiple equipment slots. Every single one has more than one. Equipment in this game is meant to assist the team in some fashion (for now). Logistics is maintenance, supplying, making sure **** gets to where it needs to be. You've worked the occupation for 5 years; you should know it's more than loading and unloading trailers.
most importantly, logistics is behind the scenes, not front lines.
real world logistics personal are not intended for combat.
and please tell me how my remote explsives do or dont help the team in some way :P
if you argue that they do help the team, then the same would be tru for literally any equipment a "slayer" logi would use
and if they dont help the team, then your opinion would be that my chosen class of "demolitions" isnt valid |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
300
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:48:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Logistics means versatality not support or whatever. Completely agree there.
The idea is that logistics are supposed to be good at all sorts of things and not just one specific thing. Heavies are good at defense, assaults are good at killing, scouts are good at being sneaky...Logistics are somewhat decent at all of those things, just not great in one area.
The problem is that the extra module slots that let them be versatile are used to just stack health and damage with very little downsides for using 3 or more modules.
actually l;ogistics means
1. The aspect of military operations that deals with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel. 2. The management of the details of an operation.
and a suit that functioned as the name suggests would be a suit that stayed in the warbarge repairing the RDVs
technically the warbarge is more in line with the "logistics" name then the suit is |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:56:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:most importantly, logistics is behind the scenes, not front lines.
real world logistics personal are not intended for combat.
and please tell me how my remote explsives do or dont help the team in some way :P
if you argue that they do help the team, then the same would be tru for literally any equipment a "slayer" logi would use
and if they dont help the team, then your opinion would be that my chosen class of "demolitions" isnt valid
"not intended for front lines" is not in the description or definition for logistics.
I know that Dust 514 is a training simulator imposed by the government for the secret space-marine program, but lets pretend for a second that Dust 514 isn't an accurate depiction of real life.
Your remote explosives can be used to blow up enemy equipment or multiple enemies, both of which are negatives to your team's efforts. This is obviously not true of all equipment since they can't blow things up. It IS true that all equipment can be used to help the team.
Your demolitions fitting is valid. It is also logistics.
If a killer-bee is using equipment, it can still be beneficial to the team. You'll notice that they, most popularly, put down small hives that produce a pheromone over a certain area that attracts all of the other insects on their side of the field.
My logi-code.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
300
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:02:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:most importantly, logistics is behind the scenes, not front lines.
real world logistics personal are not intended for combat.
and please tell me how my remote explsives do or dont help the team in some way :P
if you argue that they do help the team, then the same would be tru for literally any equipment a "slayer" logi would use
and if they dont help the team, then your opinion would be that my chosen class of "demolitions" isnt valid "not intended for front lines" is not in the description or definition for logistics. I know that Dust 514 is a training simulator imposed by the government for the secret space-marine program, but lets pretend for a second that Dust 514 isn't an accurate depiction of real life. Your remote explosives can be used to blow up enemy equipment or multiple enemies, both of which are negatives to your team's efforts. This is obviously not true of all equipment since they can't blow things up. It IS true that all equipment can be used to help the team. Your demolitions fitting is valid. It is also logistics. If a killer-bee is using equipment, it can still be beneficial to the team. You'll notice that they, most popularly, put down small hives that produce a pheromone over a certain area that attracts all of the other insects on their side of the field.
you may want to look up the definition of "logistics" i have copyed it into OP for your convenience
and not intended for combat is more a consequence of its nature and ratehr then specifically stated its kinda just assumed because why the hell would you want to send your supply train into combat on purpose. even better why would you want to send the guy behind the desk managing your supply lines into combat... on purpose...
you would naturally want to get your very important cargo where its going while AVOIDING combat as much as humanly possable
what you wouldnt do is chuck 16 of yoru favorite desk jokeys, dock worrkers, fed-ex drivers down into the middle of a combat zone unless you literally had no other option. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:13:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:1. The aspect of military operations that deals with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel. 2. The management of the details of an operation.
If only we had equipment that could perform maintenance on dropsuits, distribute ammunition to teammates, and provide info on the more detailed aspects of our operations like enemy troop and equipment placement.
OH, IF ONLY!
If only we had a suit that could capitalize on these logistical abilities, perhaps by having extra equipment slots to utilize multiple pieces of this theoretical equipment. But what would we call them...
My logi-code.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8181
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:14:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:most importantly, logistics is behind the scenes, not front lines.
real world logistics personal are not intended for combat.
and please tell me how my remote explsives do or dont help the team in some way :P
if you argue that they do help the team, then the same would be tru for literally any equipment a "slayer" logi would use
and if they dont help the team, then your opinion would be that my chosen class of "demolitions" isnt valid "not intended for front lines" is not in the description or definition for logistics. I know that Dust 514 is a training simulator imposed by the government for the secret space-marine program, but lets pretend for a second that Dust 514 isn't an accurate depiction of real life. Your remote explosives can be used to blow up enemy equipment or multiple enemies, both of which are negatives to your team's efforts. This is obviously not true of all equipment since they can't blow things up. It IS true that all equipment can be used to help the team. Your demolitions fitting is valid. It is also logistics. If a killer-bee is using equipment, it can still be beneficial to the team. You'll notice that they, most popularly, put down small hives that produce a pheromone over a certain area that attracts all of the other insects on their side of the field. I get where you both are coming from, but we're really arguing semantics here. In New Eden, logistics is just a fancy word for support. While support =/= medic, the intended implications should be proportionate to the context of their respective environment. Logistics ships being non-combat focused in EVE makes sense for the most part because of the kind of game it is, but Dust 514 is an FPS. In actuality, this topic should be about the word slayer. Again, this is an FPS and therefore we're all slayers in one way or another. While some should be better than others by class definition should at least be left open ended and open to player interpretation with designed implications gently nudging the player in a certain direction. A major issue with the logistics is that the role's strengths are devalued by the diminished rewards for the risk of playing said role. Better meta level equipment usually results in less gains since their increased effects aren't prorated by meta level. On top of that, the cooldown system for WP gains put in to prevent boosting is counterproductive to what plays to the class' strengths. Though you'll have the occasional player that's going to use their equipment out of the kindness of their heart, the risk of having to make sacrifices for the above mentioned scenario with higher tier equipment hurts the overall designed purpose. This is one of many problems that need to be addressed along with core gameplay mechanics that have narrowed the gap in what makes each suit class different from each other to begin with.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3151
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:16:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The standard was set in EVE with Logistics ships that are designed for fleet support, hence the assumption that Logistics on the ground would echo that same sentiment. God forbid that this game corresponds with EVE logic. Because that would be just silly |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
300
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:16:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:1. The aspect of military operations that deals with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel. 2. The management of the details of an operation.
If only we had equipment that could perform maintenance on dropsuits, distribute ammunition to teammates, and provide info on the more detailed aspects of our operations like enemy troop and equipment placement. OH, IF ONLY! If only we had a suit that could capitalize on these logistical abilities, perhaps by having extra equipment slots to utilize multiple pieces of this theoretical equipment. But what would we call them...
lol :P
you are correct! yay you knwo what it means!
except providing info ala scanner is intellegence not logistics. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
300
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:17:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The standard was set in EVE with Logistics ships that are designed for fleet support, hence the assumption that Logistics on the ground would echo that same sentiment. God forbid that this game corresponds with EVE logic. Because that would be just silly
in EvE carriers provide the reps in the huge battles, not logistics ships....
so EvE doesnt correspond to EvE logic |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:26:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:1. The aspect of military operations that deals with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel. 2. The management of the details of an operation.
If only we had equipment that could perform maintenance on dropsuits, distribute ammunition to teammates, and provide info on the more detailed aspects of our operations like enemy troop and equipment placement. OH, IF ONLY! If only we had a suit that could capitalize on these logistical abilities, perhaps by having extra equipment slots to utilize multiple pieces of this theoretical equipment. But what would we call them... lol :P you are correct! yay you knwo what it means! except providing info ala scanner is intellegence not logistics.
So you aren't transporting the equipment that gathers this information to the battlefield?
My logi-code.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
718
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:32:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Logistics is a role.
Just SSJ. then whats a plane ole medium frame? a role as well? your not technically wrong, but within this context you are. as any suit can fulfil any role. (however bad at it they may be they can still fill that role) A medium frame is a suit. It has no definition other than "a medium-framed dropsuit." The "logistics" in the title of the logistics suit is basically a descriptive of what the logistics suit does...which is logistics. Your bringing remote explosives for deployment to the battlefield. You are combat-logistics. int he real world logistics is a open ended catch all for "the **** that happens behind the curtain" aka how goods get from point A to point B i know becuase ive worked in "logistics" for 5 years and ill tell ya if you really want loading an unloading trailers to be a role in DUST514 then your welcome to make a petition in for that. in real world military practics the "logistics" role is typically people who arnt put directly into combat, and you certainly wouldnt want them in your 16 man kill squad your sending in, they are more likely to be the ones flying the warbarge and maintaining the RDVs. the mechanic that works on the hummer is logistics, not the guy who drives it. as for your logic, if "logistics" is a role because the suit is named that then "medium frame" is also a role
Give logis bonus to piloting LAVs and dropships.. would make so much sense! They transport materials/equipment on the battlefield. Possibly also a bonus to the commander role, when that is released. Dropping in turrets and other installation. And relaying overall battle info to squads.
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
585
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:42:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Give logis bonus to piloting LAVs and dropships.. would make so much sense! They transport materials/equipment on the battlefield. Possibly also a bonus to the commander role, when that is released. Dropping in turrets and other installation. And relaying overall battle info to squads.
On that note, how much ISK do you think it'll be for a installation? I'd imagine it'd be more expensive then a vehicle without any additions, but cheaper overall since you only have to buy the installation.
My logi-code.
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MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
95
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:46:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The standard was set in EVE with Logistics ships that are designed for fleet support, hence the assumption that Logistics on the ground would echo that same sentiment. its funny though because when push comes to shove in eve they use carriers and super carriers for the reps :P the logistics ships are only really used in incursions/multiboxing/small gang/netural rep trolling/ so really EvE set the standard for things not being used in ways that their name would suggest.
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