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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.01 07:50:00 -
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You may find yourself very disappointed.
The recent vehicle repec is because they are radically changing vehicles and the skill tree. If they were to do the same for the infantry tree in the future I'd expect the same. Since there is no indication they will it's safe to assume they won't.
I too anticipate the new racial variants, and think it is unfair that they have not been released yet. In CCPs defense there has been more than enough time to acquire enough SP to fully spec into a couple of suits and weapons currently out and still be able to spec into a new suit or weapon. What harm do you have speccing into an Amarr heavy and using it now, while waiting for another heavy, and still having it in the future? All the same core skills will still be used, it won't take that long to have a completely upgraded suit if you invest heavily in cores.
Why do they have to give you a respec? In one week you can get SP to take a suit to standard. In two you can take it to advanced, in 3-4 you can take it to Proto. If the suit is so important to you it's worth either saving up for or grinding less than a month for. If not you just want to find an excuse for instant gratification.
So SP is precious to us all, but it doesn't take much to take a suit or weapon to standard. If you can't enjoy it or learn to use it well at standard in a pub match then you need to practice, this game has a lot of numbers but one thing I've learned is that teamwork and skill can outdo gear 95% of the time.
If you must go to Proto sooner for some important reason, than there is always the option of buying AUR equipment.
Heavens forbid that you put money in this game to speed up the time it takes to get better gear, through boosters and the AUR market. This is why CCP doesn't want respecs, the urge to get better gear and try new things is what funds this game. Luckily it's not pay to win, it's just pay to do things faster. It's still better to take suit and weapon skills all the way up to maximize their potential.
These concepts should be pretty simple to understand. Rebalances will happen, so don't expect the best thing to be king for long. Trying new things doesn't require much, either just a little SP or a little Aur. Proto isn't the only way to play this game. If you can't run it in standard or advanced than you need to get better. An advanced suit with maxed core skills and modules will do better than proto with standard modules. Core skills are a very useful and safe SP investment as they passively raise the attributes of every suit.
TL;DR Respecs and the idea that they are on the way hurts their bottom line, so unless there is a radical infantry tree change it's best to assume that there isn't going to be a respec.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1439
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:08:00 -
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Additional Dropsuits means changing the entirety of the Dropsuit Command section of the Skill Tree. It's BASIC content that should've been in-game before they decided to be jerkoffs and pull it out of Beta because of a cutesy little date - not because the product was ready for release.
And until there is an ISK purchasable version of Boosters that grant you access to much better weapons and equipment much quicker than someone who has not used Boosters, then it is and will be pay to win. Maybe not by the traditional meaning, but it is. Pay to get better, faster is P2W.
Cheeseburgers.
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
595
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:09:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:You may find yourself very disappointed.
The recent vehicle repec is because they are radically changing vehicles and the skill tree. If they were to do the same for the infantry tree in the future I'd expect the same. Since there is no indication they will it's safe to assume they won't.
I too anticipate the new racial variants, and think it is unfair that they have not been released yet. In CCPs defense there has been more than enough time to acquire enough SP to fully spec into a couple of suits and weapons currently out and still be able to spec into a new suit or weapon. What harm do you have speccing into an Amarr heavy and using it now, while waiting for another heavy, and still having it in the future? All the same core skills will still be used, it won't take that long to have a completely upgraded suit if you invest heavily in cores.
Why do they have to give you a respec? In one week you can get SP to take a suit to standard. In two you can take it to advanced, in 3-4 you can take it to Proto. If the suit is so important to you it's worth either saving up for or grinding less than a month for. If not you just want to find an excuse for instant gratification.
So SP is precious to us all, but it doesn't take much to take a suit or weapon to standard. If you can't enjoy it or learn to use it well at standard in a pub match then you need to practice, this game has a lot of numbers but one thing I've learned is that teamwork and skill can outdo gear 95% of the time.
If you must go to Proto sooner for some important reason, than there is always the option of buying AUR equipment.
Heavens forbid that you put money in this game to speed up the time it takes to get better gear, through boosters and the AUR market. This is why CCP doesn't want respecs, the urge to get better gear and try new things is what funds this game. Luckily it's not pay to win, it's just pay to do things faster. It's still better to take suit and weapon skills all the way up to maximize their potential.
These concepts should be pretty simple to understand. Rebalances will happen, so don't expect the best thing to be king for long. Trying new things doesn't require much, either just a little SP or a little Aur. Proto isn't the only way to play this game. If you can't run it in standard or advanced than you need to get better. An advanced suit with maxed core skills and modules will do better than proto with standard modules. Core skills are a very useful and safe SP investment as they passively raise the attributes of every suit.
TL;DR Respecs and the idea that they are on the way hurts their bottom line, so unless there is a radical infantry tree change it's best to assume that there isn't going to be a respec. Assuming no boosters, it takes 8 weeks exactly w/ caps and passive to get a proto suit. You gain 1.2mil sp every month by capping and passive. It takes 2.4 mil to get a proto suit, NOT including the SP you'll need for dropsuit command(level 5 for heavy suits) and the level3 of basic variant as well. Combine that w/ your entire SP path being based around your suit(modules will be tailored to your suits need, as well as equipment and core upgrades.)
So when I want a minmatar heavy i wont be ok after 3mil SP to get it, NO, I'll need modules and the HMG to go with it, requiring 2mil just to get an HMG level5 prof, not including the prereq skills to unlock HMG, thats already 6 months for a single proto module, proto suit, and prof5 weapon.
OH BUT U DNT NEED ALL DAT DERP! UH NO, YOU F CKING DO. to have a competitive fit now AT ALL requires STRICTLY proto. And most weapons like the HMG are garbage til you get prof5, because CCP has balanced around the top capabilities of everything in this game.
But i shouldn't even be explaining this, if you don't support respecs you're obviously just semi-retard3d. Try saying respecs are bad at all to any other MMO or veteran MMO player, we'll just laugh at you. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:33:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:But i shouldn't even be explaining this, if you don't support respecs you're obviously just semi-retard3d.
Now why'd ya go in ruin that good post with this?
My logi-code.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
976
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:33:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:You may find yourself very disappointed.
The recent vehicle repec is because they are radically changing vehicles and the skill tree. If they were to do the same for the infantry tree in the future I'd expect the same. Since there is no indication they will it's safe to assume they won't.
I too anticipate the new racial variants, and think it is unfair that they have not been released yet. In CCPs defense there has been more than enough time to acquire enough SP to fully spec into a couple of suits and weapons currently out and still be able to spec into a new suit or weapon. What harm do you have speccing into an Amarr heavy and using it now, while waiting for another heavy, and still having it in the future? All the same core skills will still be used, it won't take that long to have a completely upgraded suit if you invest heavily in cores.
Why do they have to give you a respec? In one week you can get SP to take a suit to standard. In two you can take it to advanced, in 3-4 you can take it to Proto. If the suit is so important to you it's worth either saving up for or grinding less than a month for. If not you just want to find an excuse for instant gratification.
So SP is precious to us all, but it doesn't take much to take a suit or weapon to standard. If you can't enjoy it or learn to use it well at standard in a pub match then you need to practice, this game has a lot of numbers but one thing I've learned is that teamwork and skill can outdo gear 95% of the time.
If you must go to Proto sooner for some important reason, than there is always the option of buying AUR equipment.
Heavens forbid that you put money in this game to speed up the time it takes to get better gear, through boosters and the AUR market. This is why CCP doesn't want respecs, the urge to get better gear and try new things is what funds this game. Luckily it's not pay to win, it's just pay to do things faster. It's still better to take suit and weapon skills all the way up to maximize their potential.
These concepts should be pretty simple to understand. Rebalances will happen, so don't expect the best thing to be king for long. Trying new things doesn't require much, either just a little SP or a little Aur. Proto isn't the only way to play this game. If you can't run it in standard or advanced than you need to get better. An advanced suit with maxed core skills and modules will do better than proto with standard modules. Core skills are a very useful and safe SP investment as they passively raise the attributes of every suit.
TL;DR Respecs and the idea that they are on the way hurts their bottom line, so unless there is a radical infantry tree change it's best to assume that there isn't going to be a respec. Assuming no boosters, it takes 8 weeks exactly w/ caps and passive to get a proto suit. You gain 1.2mil sp every month by capping and passive. It takes 2.4 mil to get a proto suit, NOT including the SP you'll need for dropsuit command(level 5 for heavy suits) and the level3 of basic variant as well. Combine that w/ your entire SP path being based around your suit(modules will be tailored to your suits need, as well as equipment and core upgrades.) So when I want a minmatar heavy i wont be ok after 3mil SP to get it, NO, I'll need modules and the HMG to go with it, requiring 2mil just to get an HMG level5 prof, not including the prereq skills to unlock HMG, thats already 6 months for a single proto module, proto suit, and prof5 weapon. OH BUT U DNT NEED ALL DAT DERP! UH NO, YOU F CKING DO. to have a competitive fit now AT ALL requires STRICTLY proto. And most weapons like the HMG are garbage til you get prof5, because CCP has balanced around the top capabilities of everything in this game. But i shouldn't even be explaining this, if you don't support respecs you're obviously just semi-retard3d. Try saying respecs are bad at all to any other MMO or veteran MMO player, we'll just laugh at you.
I'm going to assume English isn't your first language. So skimming through that response I still don't see why this means we'll get another respec. Oh and I had no idea EVE wasn't an MMO, it must be all those repecs they don't have.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
976
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:34:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Additional Dropsuits means changing the entirety of the Dropsuit Command section of the Skill Tree. It's BASIC content that should've been in-game before they decided to be jerkoffs and pull it out of Beta because of a cutesy little date - not because the product was ready for release.
And until there is an ISK purchasable version of Boosters that grant you access to much better weapons and equipment much quicker than someone who has not used Boosters, then it is and will be pay to win. Maybe not by the traditional meaning, but it is. Pay to get better, faster is P2W.
Hopefully once the market opens up it will be a possibility.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
655
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:42:00 -
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I am going to assume a respec just to spite you. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
976
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:43:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:I am going to assume a respec just to spite you.
You fiend!!!
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1440
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:48:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Additional Dropsuits means changing the entirety of the Dropsuit Command section of the Skill Tree. It's BASIC content that should've been in-game before they decided to be jerkoffs and pull it out of Beta because of a cutesy little date - not because the product was ready for release.
And until there is an ISK purchasable version of Boosters that grant you access to much better weapons and equipment much quicker than someone who has not used Boosters, then it is and will be pay to win. Maybe not by the traditional meaning, but it is. Pay to get better, faster is P2W.
Hopefully once the market opens up it will be a possibility. It's a possibility now. This could happen in an overnight hotfix. But, it won't because it's too simple and makes too much sense.
Cheeseburgers.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
976
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:51:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Additional Dropsuits means changing the entirety of the Dropsuit Command section of the Skill Tree. It's BASIC content that should've been in-game before they decided to be jerkoffs and pull it out of Beta because of a cutesy little date - not because the product was ready for release.
And until there is an ISK purchasable version of Boosters that grant you access to much better weapons and equipment much quicker than someone who has not used Boosters, then it is and will be pay to win. Maybe not by the traditional meaning, but it is. Pay to get better, faster is P2W.
Hopefully once the market opens up it will be a possibility. It's a possibility now. This could happen in an overnight hotfix. But, it won't because it's too simple and makes too much sense.
You've obviously never done programming.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Rowdy Railgunner
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
212
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Posted - 2013.12.01 09:06:00 -
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How about CCP not call a game released "commercially" that doesn't even have all the basic content in it. Or, how about not sell stuff for real money that they plan on removing a month later because their pet project is floundering. I accept a lot of things, but to blatantly lie to your consumers is not something I jive with. Next thing you know, we will be getting hit with $3500 fines from CCP because we give them a negative review about DUST 514.
There is a reason DUST hasn't taken off, and it is not the fact that FPS players are too dumb for this game. I find it might be quite the opposite. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1446
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Posted - 2013.12.01 09:51:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:You've obviously never done programming. Nope. Not since the days of DOS. But, if you're an expert (or even just a drunken novice) maybe you should get on plane to Reykjavik and put one of these asshats out of a job.
Cheeseburgers.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
976
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Posted - 2013.12.01 09:54:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:You've obviously never done programming. Nope. Not since the days of DOS. But, if you're an expert (or even just a drunken novice) maybe you should get on plane to Reykjavik and put one of these asshats out of a job.
Dust is being developed primarily in Beijing.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Rowdy Railgunner
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
214
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Posted - 2013.12.01 10:09:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:You've obviously never done programming. Nope. Not since the days of DOS. But, if you're an expert (or even just a drunken novice) maybe you should get on plane to Reykjavik and put one of these asshats out of a job. Dust is being developed primarily in Beijing. Shanghai is long way off from Beijing. But considering the nation that it is in, I can can understand your troll. Beijing does control everything in that place. ******* chinese, robbing everyone to fuel their capitalist/communist takeover of the world. |
danthrax martin
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.12.01 10:14:00 -
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Why mention dos... Flashes me back to loving making my own pong game on apple 2e....
First to die, and i dont cry, even after the thale sends my brain spray to the sky, before the orbital makes me pie!
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
982
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:48:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:You've obviously never done programming. Nope. Not since the days of DOS. But, if you're an expert (or even just a drunken novice) maybe you should get on plane to Reykjavik and put one of these asshats out of a job. Dust is being developed primarily in Beijing. Shanghai is long way off from Beijing. But considering the nation that it is in, I can can understand your troll. Beijing does control everything in that place. ******* chinese, robbing everyone to fuel their capitalist/communist takeover of the world.
I got mixed up.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8169
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:53:00 -
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Either they make it so dropsuit command unlocks all racial variants, or they respec dropsuit skills when launching new suits.
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DeadlyAztec11
2422
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:54:00 -
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I am assuming an AV respec.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
982
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Either they make it so dropsuit command unlocks all racial variants, or they respec dropsuit skills when launching new suits. I can't stand the way the Dropsuit command tree is set up now. I really hope they overhaul that whole tree along with all the suit bonuses.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8171
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:30:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Either they make it so dropsuit command unlocks all racial variants, or they respec dropsuit skills when launching new suits. I can't stand the way the Dropsuit command tree is set up now. I really hope they overhaul that whole tree along with all the suit bonuses. One can only hope. For now, I'm hoping for more dev blogs on 1.7, I always hate the week before a major patch because my brain continuously melts
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Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
853
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:51:00 -
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+1 to the OP
It makes me sad how many people think they are entitled to a respec when new racial stuff is released. The OP explained it perfectly.
And to those that insist that proto is the only way to go, then all I have to say is "get better". My 5mil SP alt is running a mix of advanced and some basic (with only one complex armor repairer) and still gets a positive KDR and the ISK earnings are also always positive.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Sum1ne Else
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men.
795
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:08:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:You may find yourself very disappointed.
The recent vehicle repec is because they are radically changing vehicles and the skill tree. If they were to do the same for the infantry tree in the future I'd expect the same. Since there is no indication they will it's safe to assume they won't.
I too anticipate the new racial variants, and think it is unfair that they have not been released yet. In CCPs defense there has been more than enough time to acquire enough SP to fully spec into a couple of suits and weapons currently out and still be able to spec into a new suit or weapon. What harm do you have speccing into an Amarr heavy and using it now, while waiting for another heavy, and still having it in the future? All the same core skills will still be used, it won't take that long to have a completely upgraded suit if you invest heavily in cores.
Why do they have to give you a respec? In one week you can get SP to take a suit to standard. In two you can take it to advanced, in 3-4 you can take it to Proto. If the suit is so important to you it's worth either saving up for or grinding less than a month for. If not you just want to find an excuse for instant gratification.
So SP is precious to us all, but it doesn't take much to take a suit or weapon to standard. If you can't enjoy it or learn to use it well at standard in a pub match then you need to practice, this game has a lot of numbers but one thing I've learned is that teamwork and skill can outdo gear 95% of the time.
If you must go to Proto sooner for some important reason, than there is always the option of buying AUR equipment.
Heavens forbid that you put money in this game to speed up the time it takes to get better gear, through boosters and the AUR market. This is why CCP doesn't want respecs, the urge to get better gear and try new things is what funds this game. Luckily it's not pay to win, it's just pay to do things faster. It's still better to take suit and weapon skills all the way up to maximize their potential.
These concepts should be pretty simple to understand. Rebalances will happen, so don't expect the best thing to be king for long. Trying new things doesn't require much, either just a little SP or a little Aur. Proto isn't the only way to play this game. If you can't run it in standard or advanced than you need to get better. An advanced suit with maxed core skills and modules will do better than proto with standard modules. Core skills are a very useful and safe SP investment as they passively raise the attributes of every suit.
TL;DR Respecs and the idea that they are on the way hurts their bottom line, so unless there is a radical infantry tree change it's best to assume that there isn't going to be a respec.
Did you put money into this game? Probably not, and is why you are against respecs.
This is the most expensive free to play game I have ever played. I and many many others have put money into the game and therefore should be able to respec. The reason why I still play this budget, broke ass game is because of the amount of money I have dumped (wasted) into this game.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
982
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:11:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:
Did you put money into this game? Probably not, and is why you are against respecs.
This is the most expensive free to play game I have ever played. I and many many others have put money into the game and therefore should be able to respec. The reason why I still play this budget, broke ass game is because of the amount of money I have dumped (wasted) into this game.
I've put in over $200, and that doesn't include the second decade box.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:17:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:How about CCP not call a game released "commercially" that doesn't even have all the basic content in it. Or, how about not sell stuff for real money that they plan on removing a month later because their pet project is floundering. I accept a lot of things, but to blatantly lie to your consumers is not something I jive with. Next thing you know, we will be getting hit with $3500 fines from CCP because we give them a negative review about DUST 514.
There is a reason DUST hasn't taken off, and it is not the fact that FPS players are too dumb for this game. I find it might be quite the opposite.
Hah, did you see that in the news. **** is crazy. You can be fined money, for posting a negative review about services rendered from a company. SHADDDDY.
Nuff Said
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:22:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:+1 to the OP
It makes me sad how many people think they are entitled to a respec when new racial stuff is released. The OP explained it perfectly.
And to those that insist that proto is the only way to go, then all I have to say is "get better". My 5mil SP alt is running a mix of advanced and some basic (with only one complex armor repairer) and still gets a positive KDR and the ISK earnings are also always positive.
My 1.2 mil alt, does the same. Running a heavy with a scrambler. Funny though how it gets melted by proto weapons. Proto is the way to go. That's the end game. It's the reason for everything. Why the hell would I want to run in std/adv all day when you got the best of the best, Proto.
Nuff Said
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:24:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:You may find yourself very disappointed.
The recent vehicle repec is because they are radically changing vehicles and the skill tree. If they were to do the same for the infantry tree in the future I'd expect the same. Since there is no indication they will it's safe to assume they won't.
I too anticipate the new racial variants, and think it is unfair that they have not been released yet. In CCPs defense there has been more than enough time to acquire enough SP to fully spec into a couple of suits and weapons currently out and still be able to spec into a new suit or weapon. What harm do you have speccing into an Amarr heavy and using it now, while waiting for another heavy, and still having it in the future? All the same core skills will still be used, it won't take that long to have a completely upgraded suit if you invest heavily in cores.
Why do they have to give you a respec? In one week you can get SP to take a suit to standard. In two you can take it to advanced, in 3-4 you can take it to Proto. If the suit is so important to you it's worth either saving up for or grinding less than a month for. If not you just want to find an excuse for instant gratification.
So SP is precious to us all, but it doesn't take much to take a suit or weapon to standard. If you can't enjoy it or learn to use it well at standard in a pub match then you need to practice, this game has a lot of numbers but one thing I've learned is that teamwork and skill can outdo gear 95% of the time.
If you must go to Proto sooner for some important reason, than there is always the option of buying AUR equipment.
Heavens forbid that you put money in this game to speed up the time it takes to get better gear, through boosters and the AUR market. This is why CCP doesn't want respecs, the urge to get better gear and try new things is what funds this game. Luckily it's not pay to win, it's just pay to do things faster. It's still better to take suit and weapon skills all the way up to maximize their potential.
These concepts should be pretty simple to understand. Rebalances will happen, so don't expect the best thing to be king for long. Trying new things doesn't require much, either just a little SP or a little Aur. Proto isn't the only way to play this game. If you can't run it in standard or advanced than you need to get better. An advanced suit with maxed core skills and modules will do better than proto with standard modules. Core skills are a very useful and safe SP investment as they passively raise the attributes of every suit.
TL;DR Respecs and the idea that they are on the way hurts their bottom line, so unless there is a radical infantry tree change it's best to assume that there isn't going to be a respec.
It took me 6 months to get 11 mil SP. For those with the time, sure, it aint no thing. For people like me, getting a new suit is a big thing.
And it doesn't help that the nostalgia has worn away, and made me less interested in playing. Bleh
Nuff Said
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Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
370
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:51:00 -
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Unfortunately there probably will be another for dropsuits. Though that's fine, it will be later down the road and most stuff will (hopefully) be balanced. |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:02:00 -
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A full respec (all SP returned) is a terribly ham-fisted solution to any problem, and I'd hope CCP won't be inept enough to put themselves in a position where it is appropriate ever again.
A refund of SP for particular skills, when those skills or their effects are radically altered, is a much more reasonable proposition. If skills or the items they affect are removed from the game then I'd say a SP refund is essential.
Feeling entitled to a refund of SP from X because the devs have introduced Y (in addition) is something I've never been able to understand. It seems like demanding a refund of the cost of your car because the manufacturer has brought out a different model that you like more.
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:08:00 -
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HUEHUEHUEHUE you never learn...
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Seigfried Warheit
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:15:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I am assuming an AV respec. I think people who skilled into flaylocks might have assumed the same thing... |
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skippy678
F.T.U.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:26:00 -
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watch the EVE vegas interview with Zion shad and listen to the Dev say that there is going to be a respec.
then delete your post.
U.play.good?
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skippy678
F.T.U.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:26:00 -
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Seigfried Warheit wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I am assuming an AV respec. I think people who skilled into flaylocks might have assumed the same thing...
no assumption...they have publically posted that there is a vehicle respec in 1.7
U.play.good?
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skippy678
F.T.U.
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:28:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:watch the EVE vegas interview with Zion shad and listen to the Dev say that there is going to be a respec.
then delete your post.
in fact what they say is that once All the racial suit variants are in place that they will respec.
U.play.good?
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:45:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:But i shouldn't even be explaining this, if you don't support respecs you're obviously just semi-retard3d. Now why'd ya go in ruin that good post with this?
smacks of overcompensation.
no respecs. ever. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:46:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:watch the EVE vegas interview with Zion shad and listen to the Dev say that there is going to be a respec.
then delete your post.
in fact what they say is that once All the racial suit variants are in place that they will respec.
who said that? your corp-mate? lol |
R F Gyro
Clones 4u
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:53:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:watch the EVE vegas interview with Zion shad and listen to the Dev say that there is going to be a respec.
then delete your post.
in fact what they say is that once All the racial suit variants are in place that they will respec. Didn't they actually say that at that point they would consider a respec?
RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
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Spectre-M
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:59:00 -
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This is funny. A half complete game and people treat it as if it's in full swing. No ones gonna save sp until all content is finally released.
At this rate I'll have proto everything by the time this game has racial variants of basic content. A part of me wants back the sp I put into crap that was the only thing available, but I do accept that this game is far from complete in any way. The sad thing is that instead of treating this like it's still beta, we have people taking it seriously to the point of ignorance. FOTM will happen until CCP can balance the game as a whole, not small updates that need hotfixes almost immediately.
I want to see people get respecs in order to test new content. It may be a necessary evil at this point, the ends justifying the means. I just want to see a balanced, full content game where a newbro joins and finds the possibilities this game has to offer to be as endless as i see them. Battles being fought like battlefront in terms of staging, where it takes place in land, air and space real time.
I am biased to a degree, but we need a way to keep people happy, allowing them to explore and expand on content. At the same time exposing potential issues ( FOTM identifying unbalanced weapons, turbo scramblers and equipment spam for example ). I see them as growing pains in a game yet to reach its adolescence. Once all basics are available (weapons, drop suits, vehicles) we may want a respec, as it will encourage RPG choices rather than "current content purchasing". I'm sure if merc X would like to skill into amarr tanks and join a amarr corp fighting PC/amarr FW, X is stuck choosing based on content. I want pilots to have enough to properly explore vehicles now, so we don't compound issues further down the road.
I wanted to be Minnmatar in all Amarr gear for RPG purposes. Start a task force and call it 'Wolves in Sheeps Clothing'. Dominate Amarr FW. But that's a long ways off. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:07:00 -
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People really get emotional when they face the idea of not having respecs. I'm not even against them for special situations but if people use there SP as if they will get a redo and don't it will only cause them more grief. I'd love a skillpoint overhaul and that would likely come with full respecs, but respecs for the purpose of trying new things and speccing into new gear doesn't have any merit.
I've been playing EVE for over 2 years, paying a monthly subscription and still am very limited in with what I can use. It doesn't take long to get most things, but to make them work well is where all the skill investment goes. It's no different here, if you want to try everything out, fine it doesn't take that long. If it wasn't for the ridiculous basic suits you could try everything in less than a month, but the long term investment goes in maxing a suit , cores, modules, and a weapon.
I went level 5 "blahh" because they didn't have "blahh" and now they've changed "blahh". This is exactly why we shouldn't have respecs. Getting to level 5 takes awhile and unless you came from the beta with a lot of SP you had to grind from the ground up to get something. At some point you have to ask yourself is it worth investing further.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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Spectre-M
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
124
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:52:00 -
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I think it may have merit it an environment that changes fudementaly in short time spans. The bigger point is we shouldn't even be having any need for respecs, if only we had all the basics. I always wanted to drive one of those mechs they showed, but I'm not expecting anything soon. |
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