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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 07:50:00 -
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You may find yourself very disappointed.
The recent vehicle repec is because they are radically changing vehicles and the skill tree. If they were to do the same for the infantry tree in the future I'd expect the same. Since there is no indication they will it's safe to assume they won't.
I too anticipate the new racial variants, and think it is unfair that they have not been released yet. In CCPs defense there has been more than enough time to acquire enough SP to fully spec into a couple of suits and weapons currently out and still be able to spec into a new suit or weapon. What harm do you have speccing into an Amarr heavy and using it now, while waiting for another heavy, and still having it in the future? All the same core skills will still be used, it won't take that long to have a completely upgraded suit if you invest heavily in cores.
Why do they have to give you a respec? In one week you can get SP to take a suit to standard. In two you can take it to advanced, in 3-4 you can take it to Proto. If the suit is so important to you it's worth either saving up for or grinding less than a month for. If not you just want to find an excuse for instant gratification.
So SP is precious to us all, but it doesn't take much to take a suit or weapon to standard. If you can't enjoy it or learn to use it well at standard in a pub match then you need to practice, this game has a lot of numbers but one thing I've learned is that teamwork and skill can outdo gear 95% of the time.
If you must go to Proto sooner for some important reason, than there is always the option of buying AUR equipment.
Heavens forbid that you put money in this game to speed up the time it takes to get better gear, through boosters and the AUR market. This is why CCP doesn't want respecs, the urge to get better gear and try new things is what funds this game. Luckily it's not pay to win, it's just pay to do things faster. It's still better to take suit and weapon skills all the way up to maximize their potential.
These concepts should be pretty simple to understand.
Rebalances will happen, so don't expect the best thing to be king for long.
Trying new things doesn't require much, either just a little SP or a little Aur.
Proto isn't the only way to play this game. If you can't run it in standard or advanced than you need to get better.
An advanced suit with maxed core skills and modules will do better than proto with standard modules.
Core skills are a very useful and safe SP investment as they passively raise the attributes of every suit.
TL;DR Respecs and the idea that they are on the way hurts their bottom line, so unless there is a radical infantry tree change it's best to assume that there isn't going to be a respec.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:33:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:You may find yourself very disappointed.
The recent vehicle repec is because they are radically changing vehicles and the skill tree. If they were to do the same for the infantry tree in the future I'd expect the same. Since there is no indication they will it's safe to assume they won't.
I too anticipate the new racial variants, and think it is unfair that they have not been released yet. In CCPs defense there has been more than enough time to acquire enough SP to fully spec into a couple of suits and weapons currently out and still be able to spec into a new suit or weapon. What harm do you have speccing into an Amarr heavy and using it now, while waiting for another heavy, and still having it in the future? All the same core skills will still be used, it won't take that long to have a completely upgraded suit if you invest heavily in cores.
Why do they have to give you a respec? In one week you can get SP to take a suit to standard. In two you can take it to advanced, in 3-4 you can take it to Proto. If the suit is so important to you it's worth either saving up for or grinding less than a month for. If not you just want to find an excuse for instant gratification.
So SP is precious to us all, but it doesn't take much to take a suit or weapon to standard. If you can't enjoy it or learn to use it well at standard in a pub match then you need to practice, this game has a lot of numbers but one thing I've learned is that teamwork and skill can outdo gear 95% of the time.
If you must go to Proto sooner for some important reason, than there is always the option of buying AUR equipment.
Heavens forbid that you put money in this game to speed up the time it takes to get better gear, through boosters and the AUR market. This is why CCP doesn't want respecs, the urge to get better gear and try new things is what funds this game. Luckily it's not pay to win, it's just pay to do things faster. It's still better to take suit and weapon skills all the way up to maximize their potential.
These concepts should be pretty simple to understand.
Rebalances will happen, so don't expect the best thing to be king for long.
Trying new things doesn't require much, either just a little SP or a little Aur.
Proto isn't the only way to play this game. If you can't run it in standard or advanced than you need to get better.
An advanced suit with maxed core skills and modules will do better than proto with standard modules.
Core skills are a very useful and safe SP investment as they passively raise the attributes of every suit.
TL;DR Respecs and the idea that they are on the way hurts their bottom line, so unless there is a radical infantry tree change it's best to assume that there isn't going to be a respec. Assuming no boosters, it takes 8 weeks exactly w/ caps and passive to get a proto suit. You gain 1.2mil sp every month by capping and passive. It takes 2.4 mil to get a proto suit, NOT including the SP you'll need for dropsuit command(level 5 for heavy suits) and the level3 of basic variant as well. Combine that w/ your entire SP path being based around your suit(modules will be tailored to your suits need, as well as equipment and core upgrades.) So when I want a minmatar heavy i wont be ok after 3mil SP to get it, NO, I'll need modules and the HMG to go with it, requiring 2mil just to get an HMG level5 prof, not including the prereq skills to unlock HMG, thats already 6 months for a single proto module, proto suit, and prof5 weapon. OH BUT U DNT NEED ALL DAT DERP! UH NO, YOU F CKING DO. to have a competitive fit now AT ALL requires STRICTLY proto. And most weapons like the HMG are garbage til you get prof5, because CCP has balanced around the top capabilities of everything in this game. But i shouldn't even be explaining this, if you don't support respecs you're obviously just semi-retard3d. Try saying respecs are bad at all to any other MMO or veteran MMO player, we'll just laugh at you.
I'm going to assume English isn't your first language. So skimming through that response I still don't see why this means we'll get another respec. Oh and I had no idea EVE wasn't an MMO, it must be all those repecs they don't have.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:34:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Additional Dropsuits means changing the entirety of the Dropsuit Command section of the Skill Tree.
It's BASIC content that should've been in-game before they decided to be jerkoffs and pull it out of Beta because of a cutesy little date - not because the product was ready for release.
And until there is an ISK purchasable version of Boosters that grant you access to much better weapons and equipment much quicker than someone who has not used Boosters, then it is and will be pay to win. Maybe not by the traditional meaning, but it is. Pay to get better, faster is P2W.
Hopefully once the market opens up it will be a possibility.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:43:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:I am going to assume a respec just to spite you.
You fiend!!!
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 08:51:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Additional Dropsuits means changing the entirety of the Dropsuit Command section of the Skill Tree.
It's BASIC content that should've been in-game before they decided to be jerkoffs and pull it out of Beta because of a cutesy little date - not because the product was ready for release.
And until there is an ISK purchasable version of Boosters that grant you access to much better weapons and equipment much quicker than someone who has not used Boosters, then it is and will be pay to win. Maybe not by the traditional meaning, but it is. Pay to get better, faster is P2W.
Hopefully once the market opens up it will be a possibility. It's a possibility now. This could happen in an overnight hotfix. But, it won't because it's too simple and makes too much sense.
You've obviously never done programming.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 09:54:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:You've obviously never done programming. Nope. Not since the days of DOS. But, if you're an expert (or even just a drunken novice) maybe you should get on plane to Reykjavik and put one of these asshats out of a job.
Dust is being developed primarily in Beijing.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:48:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:You've obviously never done programming. Nope. Not since the days of DOS. But, if you're an expert (or even just a drunken novice) maybe you should get on plane to Reykjavik and put one of these asshats out of a job. Dust is being developed primarily in Beijing. Shanghai is long way off from Beijing. But considering the nation that it is in, I can can understand your troll. Beijing does control everything in that place. ******* chinese, robbing everyone to fuel their capitalist/communist takeover of the world.
I got mixed up.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 17:13:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Either they make it so dropsuit command unlocks all racial variants, or they respec dropsuit skills when launching new suits.
I can't stand the way the Dropsuit command tree is set up now. I really hope they overhaul that whole tree along with all the suit bonuses.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:11:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:
Did you put money into this game? Probably not, and is why you are against respecs.
This is the most expensive free to play game I have ever played. I and many many others have put money into the game and therefore should be able to respec. The reason why I still play this budget, broke ass game is because of the amount of money I have dumped (wasted) into this game.
I've put in over $200, and that doesn't include the second decade box.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
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Tallen Ellecon
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:07:00 -
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People really get emotional when they face the idea of not having respecs. I'm not even against them for special situations but if people use there SP as if they will get a redo and don't it will only cause them more grief. I'd love a skillpoint overhaul and that would likely come with full respecs, but respecs for the purpose of trying new things and speccing into new gear doesn't have any merit.
I've been playing EVE for over 2 years, paying a monthly subscription and still am very limited in with what I can use. It doesn't take long to get most things, but to make them work well is where all the skill investment goes. It's no different here, if you want to try everything out, fine it doesn't take that long. If it wasn't for the ridiculous basic suits you could try everything in less than a month, but the long term investment goes in maxing a suit , cores, modules, and a weapon.
I went level 5 "blahh" because they didn't have "blahh" and now they've changed "blahh". This is exactly why we shouldn't have respecs. Getting to level 5 takes awhile and unless you came from the beta with a lot of SP you had to grind from the ground up to get something. At some point you have to ask yourself is it worth investing further.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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