DUST Search - Dmg mods the debate

Galvan Nized wrote:

Saoa Scum wrote:

Shield Benefits:
It regens...can throw myself into another fight faster ( lol )...

Drawbacks:
Less Ehp
Less Dps
High Cost on PG/CPU

Looking at it like this...what would you prefer?..Armor or shields?.. i would had picked Armor every single time...

Conclusion Move dps modules to low slots!!! :)

Well this is completely over simplifying. 1) Plates use more PG than Shields. 2) Supporting mods for armor use lots of PG, shields less so. 3) CPU/PG mods go in lows so you can throw these on. 4) DMG mods have the HIGHEST fitting requirement.

Also you assume an armor tanker equips DMG mods, what's the shield tanker using on his lows? He can be dampened, super fast with biotics, sense enemies further, hack faster, CPU/PG buff. That's definitely an advantage, may not make up for the brick tank low TTK but that's a poor dev choice.

Man I'm a shield tanker and you cannot take DMG mods away from armor tankers. These wouldn't be that big of a deal if the weapons were more balanced. The AR and ScR are so far above anything in this game and they happen to hit shields harder. Let's bring the AR class back to earth first.

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2561	Posted - 2013.12.01 02:49:00 - [31] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Removing damage mods leaves shield extenders as literally the only viable high slot module. What else is there? Myofibril stimulants, on a reduced speed suit? They should remove them, but only after they have put more high slot modules into the game. I can agree with that. Armor hardeners anyone? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Saoa Scum Judge Mercenaries 27	Posted - 2013.12.01 11:21:00 - [32] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Saoa Scum wrote: Shield Benefits: It regens...can throw myself into another fight faster ( lol )... Drawbacks: Less Ehp Less Dps High Cost on PG/CPU Looking at it like this...what would you prefer?..Armor or shields?.. i would had picked Armor every single time... Conclusion Move dps modules to low slots!!! :) Well this is completely over simplifying. 1) Plates use more PG than Shields. 2) Supporting mods for armor use lots of PG, shields less so. 3) CPU/PG mods go in lows so you can throw these on. 4) DMG mods have the HIGHEST fitting requirement. Also you assume an armor tanker equips DMG mods, what's the shield tanker using on his lows? He can be dampened, super fast with biotics, sense enemies further, hack faster, CPU/PG buff. That's definitely an advantage, may not make up for the brick tank low TTK but that's a poor dev choice. Man I'm a shield tanker and you cannot take DMG mods away from armor tankers. These wouldn't be that big of a deal if the weapons were more balanced. The AR and ScR are so far above anything in this game and they happen to hit shields harder. Let's bring the AR class back to earth first. actually to be effective "shield tanking" i need to sacrifiece almost all low slots for shield regulation.. currently its just much more effective to just fit plates then anything else... But i agree on the rifle part.. no need to do anything really until AR/Scr is fixed, add more kick and/or dispersion and it might raise the TTK enough to make "pure" shield tanking viable..
PADDEHATPIGEN BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 96	Posted - 2013.12.01 12:01:00 - [33] - Quote The problem is that CCP. Made a mistake with ranged dmg, melee dmg, speed, hacking, and scan modules are ALL made for the wrong slots. Dmg mods are supose to be for low slots. Hacking mods are supose to be high slots. Etc. Etc. Etc. Just like they are in Eve online. The problem this creates is unballance in the races, and it also makes a mark of the races as we know them from Eve online. CCP. You NEED to fix this. And PLEASE kick Scotty's arse.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2575	Posted - 2013.12.01 13:03:00 - [34] - Quote PADDEHATPIGEN wrote: The problem is that CCP. Made a mistake with ranged dmg, melee dmg, speed, hacking, and scan modules are ALL made for the wrong slots. Dmg mods are supose to be for low slots. Hacking mods are supose to be high slots. Etc. Etc. Etc. Just like they are in Eve online. The problem this creates is unballance in the races, and it also makes a mark of the races as we know them from Eve online. CCP. You NEED to fix this. And PLEASE kick Scotty's arse. You should post more, I like seeing smart players. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 202	Posted - 2013.12.01 13:33:00 - [35] - Quote Can't we just get custimizable weapons already? Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Even salads taste good deepfried..mmm grease
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2593	Posted - 2013.12.01 22:52:00 - [36] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Can't we just get custimizable weapons already? That's most likely months away I thinks. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1839	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:03:00 - [37] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Can't we just get custimizable weapons already? That's most likely years away I thinks. Fixed When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 362	Posted - 2013.12.02 01:14:00 - [38] - Quote either remove dmg or remove the proficiency skill on all( expect shotgun) One day my shotgun will run out ammo 1.7 is the day if I fight or i give up
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 278	Posted - 2013.12.02 02:59:00 - [39] - Quote Make the high slot ones stay Dmg mod, but give them a penalty- E.G. Rate of fire. roF would drop by 40% of the buff given to damage. Make low slot damage mods as well, but make them upgrade effective range, reload speed, RoF, and other nummies like that. Caldaris get to buff their range through low slot mods, and gallente can bonus their already high DPs. LAV murder man: "I can kill with rails, therefore they're OP." NERF THE SCOUTS!
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 471	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:14:00 - [40] - Quote Leave the damn damage mods alone. Get gud, friken scrubs. {:)}{3GÇó>

MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 95	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:21:00 - [41] - Quote A slight repost but it's mostly to get awareness out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEoWijPFvM Notice something horrifically wrong with this? It's the AR functioning as an automatic sniper rifle with ~50-60 dmg per bullet. The solution isn't 'more hitpoints' or 'take away damage mods', it's adding dispersion and kick to weapons that somehow no longer have any dispersion when aiming down sights or simply firing less than 30 shots. The lack of dispersion and kick means every shot hits and does damage, causing anyone to die in under 1 second of fire and allowing these weapons to perform well outside their intended ranges. Now people dying in one or two shots with a shotgun isn't a really big problem, nor is it a really big issue with an assault rifle at 20-30m, but when assault rifles are outdamaging lasers at the laser rifles optimal, that's where we have issues.
Cosgar ParagonX 8169	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:36:00 - [42] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: A slight repost but it's mostly to get awareness out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEoWijPFvM Notice something horrifically wrong with this? It's the AR functioning as an automatic sniper rifle with ~50-60 dmg per bullet. The solution isn't 'more hitpoints' or 'take away damage mods', it's adding dispersion and kick to weapons that somehow no longer have any dispersion when aiming down sights or simply firing less than 30 shots. The lack of dispersion and kick means every shot hits and does damage, causing anyone to die in under 1 second of fire and allowing these weapons to perform well outside their intended ranges. Now people dying in one or two shots with a shotgun isn't a really big problem, nor is it a really big issue with an assault rifle at 20-30m, but when assault rifles are outdamaging lasers at the laser rifles optimal, that's where we have issues. Didn't you hear? The devs are deliberating on whether this is mechanically intended or not. P.S. Those are the 2012 NFL "refs." If you get the reference, you should be laughing your ass off. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 95	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:37:00 - [43] - Quote I don't get the reference sadly
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10940	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:38:00 - [44] - Quote Gallente have always classically been the damage monsters (as in they get in your face and tear it off) CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Electronics =// Unlocked
Cosgar ParagonX 8169	Posted - 2013.12.02 03:39:00 - [45] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I don't get the reference sadly They were scabs that didn't know what they were doing. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 372	Posted - 2013.12.02 04:04:00 - [46] - Quote Damage mods should have a stacking penalty. That's the only thing I see that's wrong.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 95	Posted - 2013.12.02 04:10:00 - [47] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Damage mods should have a stacking penalty. That's the only thing I see that's wrong. They do. http://dust514.wikia.com/wiki/Stacking_Penalty
CharCharOdell 1712	Posted - 2013.12.02 04:11:00 - [48] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Damage mods should have a stacking penalty. That's the only thing I see that's wrong. Uh....they do... Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition


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