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If they change/remove damage mods, then they also need to change remove the shield regulators and move CPU chips to be a high slots module.

You guys don't seem to understand that these are the racial tradeoffs here. You went Caldari, they have a specific play style, and that play style doesn't normally include damage mods, so tough ****. I'm a Gallente and the Gal play style depends on damage mods.

What you guys are talking about with this bull****, is nerfing or just completely ruining an entire racial class here. I mean come on use ya friken head.

Now quit your *****ing and get gud scrubs.

No dude they use regulators/recharger, or at least they should be, because their suits are geared to this play style. They have a low shield regen time and high shield base HP. If your not you're ding it wrong.

And what are the Gallente supposed to use? They have the worst shild stats in the game. How the hell is it supposed to be expected that it is fair for the Gal to only have shied mods to rely on. It is not in the slightest bit fair at all.

The simple fact is, this game's racial classes are set up to function in very specific ways. And removing damage mods or nerfing them would ruin that dynamic, as it is that the shields extenders and damage mods seem to have been balanced with eachother in mind. If you take two player with the same suit and put a damage mod on one and a shield extender on the other, using the same gun, the drop into a match on opposit teams, find eachother, then both stand still and start firing at eachother at exactly the same time, the person with the shield extenders will win but just barly. The shield extender damage mod dynamic is balanced.

If your problem is with TTK, there is no reason to go asking for a fix that completely destroys an entire racial play style. Ask for a reduction in overal weapon damage output or for all of the suits to have they're base HP buffed.

Or perhapse that isn't the problem at all maybe you just suck and need something to blame your suck on.

"And you're wrong: most primary weapons have more effects on shields than armor."

Only until the other racial weapons come out. *facepalm* terrible argument.

"Shields are weaker than armor, shield extenders offer less HP than armor, so an armor tanking suit with damage mods will destroy a shield tanker before."

Armor also has NO natural regen and speed penalties. functioning as intended.

"And IT'S NOT ABOUT TTK, i'll say it again, it's about INEQUITIES in damage output between players.
Especially with proto suits against lower tier suits."

Tires are a fact of this game, they arn't going anywhere. Deal with it.

"Yes, they're different play styles, which is awesome, but why should one crush the other in every situation, at all ranges, in all maps, etc...? You should tank differently, move and attack differently, NOT kill faster and better."

One play style is meant to be a fast hit and run play style with fast regen. The other is supposed to be a stand and deliver play style. Maybe you just suck or don't understand how to play the former described play style (since it takes a little brains to do). I don't seem to have any proble with it on my Cal alt.

And I'll be ok with the removal of damage mods when you're ok with the removal of shield extenders, because it nullifies diferent play styles and It's just ridiculous that one player kills another with them.

If you have a proble with TTK then address that problem. But leave damage mods and their related play mechanics out of it.

Hear ...Hear ( * stands and claps loudly * ) this needs to stop . Another case of constant crying from and by people who can't handle customization . I think their goal is to eliminate any choice in play style so everyone will walk around with the same suits and the same mods in their fits . This is PLAIN to see .

It's about to happen to tanks and let's see how much fun the vehicle users will have . Everyone will have different tanks but the same fits ( boring ) , the only differences will be in the turrets and you will see people with like turrets running the same fits as well .

Watch and see . Some people don't like originality .

Really, then what's this BS here all about:



Now, go tell some more bold-faced lies somewhere else.

What other are you talking about. You either use damage mods to increase your TTK the opponent or you use extender to increase your personal TTK or TTBK. Your proble, by the quote I took form you is obviously with low TTK "one second". It has nothing to do with damage mods. Because one either sacrifices tank for gank or gank for tank.

Removal of damage mods is out of the question.

Increasing stacking penalties seems ok but not practical considering the effect it has on all other modules such as biotics, Shields, electronic, etc. this will require too much rebalancing to make it work.

A better solution is to tweak the damage mods individually to have less bonus towards damage. Either that or increase their CPU PG usage.

I'm so tired of people using the " new player experience " as an excuse for radical changes .

Look at what you said about the AR comparison and think about it next time . Damage mods are suppose to increase the damage output of that said weapon that it is applied to even more so if it's an advanced weapon , that's just one tier below . The Duvolle without the mod is at a disadvantage , of course and that argument isn't even valid .

I'm a " New " player and one should learn who they are up against and adapt to their adversary . If you see top tier players and you are not top tier then you have to play more of a support role . If your new your not loosing because of damage mods , your loosing because your being out skilled and out classed and most of the time your strategies are weak and flawed . you cant stand toe to toe with anyone ( at least you shouldn't ) strafing and movement is necessary . If your a weaker player then your aim should be to outrange your opponent , meaning : finding weapons that you can deal death blows from longer distances so your not exposed to CQC . There are many tactics that one can use to maximize their potential and limit their vulnerability .

That's the beauty of this game , their is NO ONE specific type of play style but if you keep taking away content that's exactly what will happen . You people are killing the game and the fun factor ... oh yeah , you people already say that it's not fun but that might just be for you , don't ruin it for the rest of us .

*Facepalm* and with a shield extender one player can survive longer than the other... Damn seriously.

To obtain gank one must sacrifice tank. Are you even paying attention at all?

Reasonable right after they reduce the amount of HP shield extenders provide. Since that is what you are talking about doing to the damage mods.

That one totally went over your head, by about a mile, didn't it