DUST Search - Hasn't CCP Learned?

KalOfTheRathi wrote:

Negris Albedo wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Such constructive feedback OP, bravo.

I can feel the sarcasm dripping out of that statement, but I'll have you know that this is constructive feedback. Is it harsh? Yes. Is it critical? Yes. Will listening to it make CCP better at what they do? Definitely.

Not really, OP.

You mention EVE things while many in DUST are not EVE players. Sure CCP/Mothership knows EVE but does CCP/Shanghai? Most would say no, in fact I would say CCP/Shanghai doesn't even know DUST or FPS or RPG or MMO. But that is just me. Pirate

What are these tiers and tiericide of which you speak?

The exponential and horrendous cost of SP is acknowledged by all the players but by none with a CCP or a blue DEV flag in their icon. With SP resets, available in game, that could be alleviated but there is a near panic enabled when any mention the FOTM (Fit Of The Moment).

Like when they released the hilariously overpowered Flaylock pistol. Now that was funny to watch. Entire squads running around with two Flaylock pistols each. It totally sucked if you weren't in that squad however. And CCP/Shanghai did that on purpose. They loved, loved, loved them some Flaylock pistols. Too bad about the game though.

So, actual information with actual feedback would be good. Then we can comment on that versus the mystical hand waving you did originally.

Welcome to DUST, yes the Battle Finder sucks.

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Negris Albedo Nuevo Atlas Corporation 35	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:32:00 - [1] - Quote This is sort of ridiculous, really. CCP already found out with EVE that tiers are not fun in a competitive environment. With all the work going into tiericide in EVE, how and why did CCP make this mistake twice? Honestly, I'm ashamed of CCP right now. They need to get their act together, really. I'm certainly not a game designer, but even I can tell that they're doing it wrong. TL;DR: If you think this thread is too long, you're a lazy arse.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 281	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:09:00 - [2] - Quote Shut up. Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5619	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:10:00 - [3] - Quote Such constructive feedback OP, bravo. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 91	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:31:00 - [4] - Quote Message from Godin: I'll just leave this here.
Negris Albedo Nuevo Atlas Corporation 35	Posted - 2013.11.30 09:26:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Such constructive feedback OP, bravo. I can feel the sarcasm dripping out of that statement, but I'll have you know that this is constructive feedback. Is it harsh? Yes. Is it critical? Yes. Will listening to it make CCP better at what they do? Definitely.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5623	Posted - 2013.11.30 11:13:00 - [6] - Quote Negris Albedo wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Such constructive feedback OP, bravo. I can feel the sarcasm dripping out of that statement, but I'll have you know that this is constructive feedback. Is it harsh? Yes. Is it critical? Yes. Will listening to it make CCP better at what they do? Definitely. This is not constructive feedback. This is feedback. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 913	Posted - 2013.11.30 12:40:00 - [7] - Quote Negris Albedo wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Such constructive feedback OP, bravo. I can feel the sarcasm dripping out of that statement, but I'll have you know that this is constructive feedback. Is it harsh? Yes. Is it critical? Yes. Will listening to it make CCP better at what they do? Definitely. Not really, OP. You mention EVE things while many in DUST are not EVE players. Sure CCP/Mothership knows EVE but does CCP/Shanghai? Most would say no, in fact I would say CCP/Shanghai doesn't even know DUST or FPS or RPG or MMO. But that is just me. What are these tiers and tiericide of which you speak? The exponential and horrendous cost of SP is acknowledged by all the players but by none with a CCP or a blue DEV flag in their icon. With SP resets, available in game, that could be alleviated but there is a near panic enabled when any mention the FOTM (Fit Of The Moment). Like when they released the hilariously overpowered Flaylock pistol. Now that was funny to watch. Entire squads running around with two Flaylock pistols each. It totally sucked if you weren't in that squad however. And CCP/Shanghai did that on purpose. They loved, loved, loved them some Flaylock pistols. Too bad about the game though. So, actual information with actual feedback would be good. Then we can comment on that versus the mystical hand waving you did originally. Welcome to DUST, yes the Battle Finder sucks.
4447 Resolution XIII 881	Posted - 2013.11.30 14:25:00 - [8] - Quote Negris Albedo wrote: This is sort of ridiculous, really. CCP already found out with EVE that tiers are not fun in a competitive environment. With all the work going into tiericide in EVE, how and why did CCP make this mistake twice? Honestly, I'm ashamed of CCP right now. They need to get their act together, really. I'm certainly not a game designer, but even I can tell that they're doing it wrong. TL;DR: If you think this thread is too long, you're a lazy arse. couldn't read all of it, it's like a book, huffs. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Joel II X AHPA 244	Posted - 2013.11.30 14:30:00 - [9] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Negris Albedo wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Such constructive feedback OP, bravo. I can feel the sarcasm dripping out of that statement, but I'll have you know that this is constructive feedback. Is it harsh? Yes. Is it critical? Yes. Will listening to it make CCP better at what they do? Definitely. Not really, OP. You mention EVE things while many in DUST are not EVE players. Sure CCP/Mothership knows EVE but does CCP/Shanghai? Most would say no, in fact I would say CCP/Shanghai doesn't even know DUST or FPS or RPG or MMO. But that is just me. What are these tiers and tiericide of which you speak? The exponential and horrendous cost of SP is acknowledged by all the players but by none with a CCP or a blue DEV flag in their icon. With SP resets, available in game, that could be alleviated but there is a near panic enabled when any mention the FOTM (Fit Of The Moment). Like when they released the hilariously overpowered Flaylock pistol. Now that was funny to watch. Entire squads running around with two Flaylock pistols each. It totally sucked if you weren't in that squad however. And CCP/Shanghai did that on purpose. They loved, loved, loved them some Flaylock pistols. Too bad about the game though. So, actual information with actual feedback would be good. Then we can comment on that versus the mystical hand waving you did originally. Welcome to DUST, yes the Battle Finder sucks. I'd say half of the players are from Eve. At least, from the ones I know.
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 32	Posted - 2013.11.30 15:56:00 - [10] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Such constructive feedback OP, bravo. lol... Level 5 Proficiency in Tupperware handling.

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 200	Posted - 2013.11.30 17:30:00 - [11] - Quote I <3 tiers Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Even salads taste good deepfried..mmm grease
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1699	Posted - 2013.11.30 18:09:00 - [12] - Quote Tiericide... Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 940	Posted - 2013.11.30 19:25:00 - [13] - Quote Negris Albedo wrote: This is sort of ridiculous, really. CCP already found out with EVE that tiers are not fun in a competitive environment. With all the work going into tiericide in EVE, how and why did CCP make this mistake twice? Honestly, I'm ashamed of CCP right now. They need to get their act together, really. I'm certainly not a game designer, but even I can tell that they're doing it wrong. TL;DR: If you think this thread is too long, you're a lazy arse. your pretense is wrong. you don't understand what tiericide means, I don't think. when tier two suits drop in dust... you're going to cry.
Jooki Chewaka Stalking Wolfpack 17	Posted - 2013.11.30 19:27:00 - [14] - Quote Negris Albedo wrote: This is sort of ridiculous, really. CCP already found out with EVE that tiers are not fun in a competitive environment. With all the work going into tiericide in EVE, how and why did CCP make this mistake twice? Honestly, I'm ashamed of CCP right now. They need to get their act together, really. I'm certainly not a game designer, but even I can tell that they're doing it wrong. TL;DR: If you think this thread is too long, you're a lazy arse. As a 2 year old eve player you've got my +1 There are lots of things that are so **** up with dust such as protostomping, matchmaking, visual glitches, clipping, weapon balancing, etc. and takes them so *** long to fix that makes one think if theres at least one dude working on this game... Sometimes i think it isnt, i mean, this is a full F2P game, what profit can they possibly have? i mean, when playing the closed beta one could see that there where only around 5000 guys connected, now you see 45.000+- since its the whole TQ cluster, now i think about it, and i have the feeling that theyre even less players (every day i see the same fags, protowhores HEY LOOK AT ME im pro, and my fellow corpies who doesnt own any district but come to pub matches to your butt, this improves my selfesteem, and some honest guys, truth be told), because lets face if a dude gets into game for the 1st time, starter fit, he manages to get to the back of a guy with a proto, he unleashes hell to that dude, this dude turns around... oneshots him... This guy is just gonna say dafuq is this -+? uninstall... period. Besides, if MMO market is crowded, imagine shooters, among call of dutys, battlefields, etc. a game must really be awesome to stand a chance, even more if its on an unnatural platform for shooters like a console is, and even more if its only for a single console, dust would have a potential huge market if it where on PC, every eve player would try it, and if it where just like eve that costs 5 bucks to upgrade from a trial account to a full account lots of ppl would pay, but nope, so this brings me to the first question, what profit does ccp have? aur items. Aha, aur items are pay to win and who doesnt see that its just because: a) fanboy, b) unreasonable person, on any games real money items are just vanity items, and aur gear aint xD Who buys aur items? kids that cannot use cheats and use mommah's credit card, first because they dont have the patience to train that up, and second they hate to lose... But even if they train the proto stuff, the protostomping is still a problem, for many reasons, some stated before, and obvious. I played bloodline champions a couple years ago and, the thing there was that lvl1 toon only makes 10% less dps than a lvl25, thats reasonable, but the IFKINPWNUBIATCH imperial scrambler rifle/duvolle assault rifle is just stupid. My EVE toon**
Negris Albedo Nuevo Atlas Corporation 37	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:26:00 - [15] - Quote low genius wrote: when tier two suits drop in dust... you're going to cry. You mean Tech 2, right? If they do it like they did in EVE, I wouldn't cry at all. The gap between Standard and Prototype in Dust 514 is massive. The gap between Tech I and Tech II in EVE is, actually, not that bad.
501st Headstrong Dead Man's Game 49	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:53:00 - [16] - Quote Why are people still hating on Aur? If you work and make money, you can afford to buy some cool weapons that need less SP because you play less than the kid who doesn't go to school and earns SP all day. Aur is not better than Isk and I know this personally because I murder Air for a living in militia. The Toxin ICD isnt nearly as bad as an Ishukone Submachine with a damage mod. So quit it already. As for problems in Dust, yes they are there, but how can you truly say not one person isnt working?! Did CCP not release 1.7? And around 30,000 people play the game O believe as judged by the Tranquility server count. Please don't Hack this game. I will join the NSA and hunt you the hell down. Don't believe me, wait 18 years!
Negris Albedo Nuevo Atlas Corporation 37	Posted - 2013.12.11 19:56:00 - [17] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: And around 30,000 people play the game O believe as judged by the Tranquility server count. Really? Link please.


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