DUST Search - Logis aren't OP

Logi Bro wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

So...
Let's say that there are 5 weapons.
Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all.

You could say the four of them are underpowered.
Or you could say the one is overpowered.

You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning.

Your logic is flawed.

The issue here is that assaults, heavies, and scouts cannot perform there intended roles, partly because of bad bonuses, and partly because of a massive weapons imbalance.

To put your analogy in another way:

Robert can walk. Jack, Evan, and Daniel can't. Therefore, to be fair, we should break Robert's legs.

No. Fix Jack, Evan, and Daniel's legs so they can walk along with Robert.

Your logic is actually flawed. He said the weapons were equal, not that they sucked, let me use an analogy similar to yours:

Jack, Evan, and Daniel can walk like normal people. Robert has super biotic robotic legs to allow him to run 500mi/h. They are competing in a race. Should we give all of them super legs? No, take Robert's damn crutch out from under him and let him work to win.


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Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1796	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:07:00 - [1] - Quote Assaults, and Scouts are UP and the HMG being ** makes the Heavy FG or AR or die, the Amarr Assult is the best example of what Assaults should be, something that has a combat related bonus and with the bonus it can be deadly it's how the other Assaults should be Scouts are **** because of the TTK being low Fix the HMG and Heavies and will return to the battlefield... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1797	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:15:00 - [2] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Preach it killar. Also was wondering how the thunder dome is doing. 2 things 1 T-Dome's on and off I've got finals, Corp issues, and other things going on Interesting to see Gens with Tso's... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1799	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:45:00 - [3] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Preach it killar. Also was wondering how the thunder dome is doing. 2 things 1 T-Dome's on and off I've got finals, Corp issues, and other things going on 2 Interesting to see Gens with Tso's... 1 can't wait till T-dome is running again. Would love to spectate or participate. 2 EoN leadership has its own plans. We are now apart of a growing eve alliance that will suit our needs for the future as well as provide newer opportunities and resources for our new family. 1 I'll try for this week to get one, just need a district to do so on. 2 EoN is "Moving on"? I'm only assuming I know SyN's doing KZSF but I have no knowledge about the rest of EoN. Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1800	Posted - 2013.11.29 01:16:00 - [4] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: My biggest problem with the logi suits is without a doubt the bonuses; they simply make no sense for a support unit. I know CCP has said before they want to give the logis more equipment based bonuses, so I'm just kinds waiting for that. But I've asked this question before, why does the logi suit deserve more module slots than the assault suit? What about that makes sense? Still the Assaults have very poor bonuses for their roles look at the Amarr Assault combined with a Scrambler or Laser Rifle Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1803	Posted - 2013.11.29 19:58:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. So Everything should suck or Everything should be good? I'd rather everything be good, making the Logi suck doesn't fix everything it breaks another. @KGB Brick-tanking is an issue due to the TTK being short as hell Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1809	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:28:00 - [6] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. Your logic is flawed. The issue here is that assaults, heavies, and scouts cannot perform there intended roles, partly because of bad bonuses, and partly because of a massive weapons imbalance. To put your analogy in another way: Robert can walk. Jack, Evan, and Daniel can't. Therefore, to be fair, we should break Robert's legs. No. Fix Jack, Evan, and Daniel's legs so they can walk along with Robert. Your logic is actually flawed. He said the weapons were equal, not that they sucked, let me use an analogy similar to yours: Jack, Evan, and Daniel can walk like normal people. Robert has super biotic robotic legs to allow him to run 500mi/h. They are competing in a race. Should we give all of them super legs? No, take Robert's damn crutch out from under him and let him work to win. But don't you achieve balance both ways? it's just a matter of perspective We both want the same end result, Logis to be out classed as assaults by assaults the thing is is that the TTK is too low for people to need to switch to a sidearm, and furthermore an Ishi ASMG or Carthum ScP will do just as damn well with 3 Complex Damage mods as a Duvolle or Imperial would... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity