DUST Search - Logis aren't OP

Logi Bro wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

So...
Let's say that there are 5 weapons.
Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all.

You could say the four of them are underpowered.
Or you could say the one is overpowered.

You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning.

Your logic is flawed.

The issue here is that assaults, heavies, and scouts cannot perform there intended roles, partly because of bad bonuses, and partly because of a massive weapons imbalance.

To put your analogy in another way:

Robert can walk. Jack, Evan, and Daniel can't. Therefore, to be fair, we should break Robert's legs.

No. Fix Jack, Evan, and Daniel's legs so they can walk along with Robert.

Your logic is actually flawed. He said the weapons were equal, not that they sucked, let me use an analogy similar to yours:

Jack, Evan, and Daniel can walk like normal people. Robert has super biotic robotic legs to allow him to run 500mi/h. They are competing in a race. Should we give all of them super legs? No, take Robert's damn crutch out from under him and let him work to win.

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Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1796	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:07:00 - [1] - Quote Assaults, and Scouts are UP and the HMG being ** makes the Heavy FG or AR or die, the Amarr Assult is the best example of what Assaults should be, something that has a combat related bonus and with the bonus it can be deadly it's how the other Assaults should be Scouts are **** because of the TTK being low Fix the HMG and Heavies and will return to the battlefield... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:11:00 - [2] - Quote Preach it killar. Also was wondering how the thunder dome is doing.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1797	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:15:00 - [3] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Preach it killar. Also was wondering how the thunder dome is doing. 2 things 1 T-Dome's on and off I've got finals, Corp issues, and other things going on Interesting to see Gens with Tso's... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 86	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:23:00 - [4] - Quote I love being a scout but getting 300 + shields knocked off in a second at 60 fricken meters is BS! Yea scouts are up but their isn't a person in real life nor in video game that should be able to perfectly unload a 60 clip or less in a perfectly straight line! Idc if you have sharp shooter 12 a gun just shouldn't be that accurat at that range. It's the weapons not the suit
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:28:00 - [5] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Preach it killar. Also was wondering how the thunder dome is doing. 2 things 1 T-Dome's on and off I've got finals, Corp issues, and other things going on 2 Interesting to see Gens with Tso's... 1 can't wait till T-dome is running again. Would love to spectate or participate. 2 EoN leadership has its own plans. We are now apart of a growing eve alliance that will suit our needs for the future as well as provide newer opportunities and resources for our new family.
Summ Dude Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 78	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:40:00 - [6] - Quote My biggest problem with the logi suits is without a doubt the bonuses; they simply make no sense for a support unit. I know CCP has said before they want to give the logis more equipment based bonuses, so I'm just kinds waiting for that. But I've asked this question before, why does the logi suit deserve more module slots than the assault suit? What about that makes sense?
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1799	Posted - 2013.11.29 00:45:00 - [7] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Preach it killar. Also was wondering how the thunder dome is doing. 2 things 1 T-Dome's on and off I've got finals, Corp issues, and other things going on 2 Interesting to see Gens with Tso's... 1 can't wait till T-dome is running again. Would love to spectate or participate. 2 EoN leadership has its own plans. We are now apart of a growing eve alliance that will suit our needs for the future as well as provide newer opportunities and resources for our new family. 1 I'll try for this week to get one, just need a district to do so on. 2 EoN is "Moving on"? I'm only assuming I know SyN's doing KZSF but I have no knowledge about the rest of EoN. Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1800	Posted - 2013.11.29 01:16:00 - [8] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: My biggest problem with the logi suits is without a doubt the bonuses; they simply make no sense for a support unit. I know CCP has said before they want to give the logis more equipment based bonuses, so I'm just kinds waiting for that. But I've asked this question before, why does the logi suit deserve more module slots than the assault suit? What about that makes sense? Still the Assaults have very poor bonuses for their roles look at the Amarr Assault combined with a Scrambler or Laser Rifle Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Tectonic Fusion 628	Posted - 2013.11.29 02:13:00 - [9] - Quote The Amarr Logistics is only fine because they lose the most health than other logis, are way slower, and have a giant hitbox. The only good thing is they have a sidearm. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
SteelheadPep SAM-MIK 4	Posted - 2013.11.29 14:44:00 - [10] - Quote Support logis need the extra slots to help keep us alive while trying to revive mercs, repare mercs, resupply the team, and just give you a tactical advantage. I try to stay on the front line with the main body to be more useful, which tends to get me dropped more often. Who is going to pick me up? Some logis want mercs to dropback to be healed thus taking the momentum away from the team, others carry only nanos,uplinks,and scanners. It would be very difficult to consider this roll if the fitting didn't have the survivability that it currently has.

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4109	Posted - 2013.11.29 14:48:00 - [11] - Quote So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy is UP" has no meaning. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 445	Posted - 2013.11.29 14:49:00 - [12] - Quote Logis brick then slay. it isnt how the suit was meant to be played and everyone knows it. enjoy your nerf wannabe assaults. CCP gave the role a nice setup and of course it was exploited bc ppl suck. everyone is an idiot because i had to write this. "Because beer, that's why."
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1803	Posted - 2013.11.29 19:58:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. So Everything should suck or Everything should be good? I'd rather everything be good, making the Logi suck doesn't fix everything it breaks another. @KGB Brick-tanking is an issue due to the TTK being short as hell Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Tectonic Fusion 634	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:46:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. If the logi is equal to the assault class, the heavy and scout will still be OP... Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Assert Dominance 0bamacare 506	Posted - 2013.11.29 23:52:00 - [15] - Quote once upon a time i played a pc battle, i am scout and there were 11 combat logis on my team. now from my experience with competitive fps over the years, such events clearly mean, Overpowered. when everyone only uses 1 gun, guess why... get off the forums.
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 176	Posted - 2013.11.30 00:47:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. Your logic is flawed. The issue here is that assaults, heavies, and scouts cannot perform there intended roles, partly because of bad bonuses, and partly because of a massive weapons imbalance. To put your analogy in another way: Person A can walk, persons B, C, and D can't. Therefore, to be fair, we should break person A's legs. No. Heal B,C, and D.
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1642	Posted - 2013.11.30 02:30:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. This. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1642	Posted - 2013.11.30 02:33:00 - [18] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. Your logic is flawed. The issue here is that assaults, heavies, and scouts cannot perform there intended roles, partly because of bad bonuses, and partly because of a massive weapons imbalance. To put your analogy in another way: Robert can walk. Jack, Evan, and Daniel can't. Therefore, to be fair, we should break Robert's legs. No. Fix Jack, Evan, and Daniel's legs so they can walk along with Robert. its more like the one suitb is doing all jobs better then any other suit. And for any other suit to donuts role in the way a logi does, they will need to become crazy OP. Its like a Rifle that out performs a sniper at long range, a shotgun at close and everything else at medium range. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2393	Posted - 2013.11.30 02:35:00 - [19] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. Your logic is flawed. The issue here is that assaults, heavies, and scouts cannot perform there intended roles, partly because of bad bonuses, and partly because of a massive weapons imbalance. To put your analogy in another way: Robert can walk. Jack, Evan, and Daniel can't. Therefore, to be fair, we should break Robert's legs. No. Fix Jack, Evan, and Daniel's legs so they can walk along with Robert. Your logic is actually flawed. He said the weapons were equal, not that they sucked, let me use an analogy similar to yours: Jack, Evan, and Daniel can walk like normal people. Robert has super biotic robotic legs to allow him to run 500mi/h. They are competing in a race. Should we give all of them super legs? No, take Robert's damn crutch out from under him and let him work to win. No, I am not CCP Logibro.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 236	Posted - 2013.11.30 03:14:00 - [20] - Quote Facts! just reduce all gun damage, that way we can use fits that aren't just damage/defense tanked and not worry about dying before we cross a street. new skills for all other classes to make them do what they were meant to do would help too :)

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1809	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:28:00 - [21] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So... Let's say that there are 5 weapons. Four of them are more or less equal, but one beats them all. You could say the four of them are underpowered. Or you could say the one is overpowered. You saying "Logi isn't OP, Assault, scout and heavy are UP" has no meaning. Your logic is flawed. The issue here is that assaults, heavies, and scouts cannot perform there intended roles, partly because of bad bonuses, and partly because of a massive weapons imbalance. To put your analogy in another way: Robert can walk. Jack, Evan, and Daniel can't. Therefore, to be fair, we should break Robert's legs. No. Fix Jack, Evan, and Daniel's legs so they can walk along with Robert. Your logic is actually flawed. He said the weapons were equal, not that they sucked, let me use an analogy similar to yours: Jack, Evan, and Daniel can walk like normal people. Robert has super biotic robotic legs to allow him to run 500mi/h. They are competing in a race. Should we give all of them super legs? No, take Robert's damn crutch out from under him and let him work to win. But don't you achieve balance both ways? it's just a matter of perspective We both want the same end result, Logis to be out classed as assaults by assaults the thing is is that the TTK is too low for people to need to switch to a sidearm, and furthermore an Ishi ASMG or Carthum ScP will do just as damn well with 3 Complex Damage mods as a Duvolle or Imperial would... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 353	Posted - 2013.11.30 16:41:00 - [22] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Assaults, and Scouts are UP and the HMG being ** makes the Heavy FG or AR or die, the Amarr Assult is the best example of what Assaults should be, something that has a combat related bonus and with the bonus it can be deadly it's how the other Assaults should be Scouts are **** because of the TTK being low Fix the HMG and Heavies and will return to the battlefield Love me, Lynch me, Laugh at me but I know and you know the real issues... I have a adv gallente assault I swear by. You are welcome for my leadership


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