I am pretty sure as far dropships go the forge will be as broken in 1.7 as it is now. Even with the DS speed increase that 300m range and the fact they can pop out of any uplink, and corner or from any supply depot, makes protecting oneself, by correct and intelligent use of active modules almost impossible.

There is no warning, no locating it and extreme difficulty in killing it. All we can do is collect the evidence of the imbalance and submit this to CCP. Politely. Accurately and with maturity. At the same time, I will also report to CCP if swarms seem to weak. Dropship pilots want balance and fun. Not carte blanche freedom to freely roam.

I am speced deeply into both swarms and forge guns. So i will be trying both sides.

yes, because your non combat craft should be immune to fire, unlike everything else on the field.

Guess what? I have to deal with AV fire and I'm a ****-ton slower than you, since I'm a tank. Nut up and deal with the flak if you want to fly in the warzone, wuss.

Come on OP they wont swap from the SL to the FG, that requires aim and they dont have any

To answer the OP,

We are changing to FGs in 1.7 because we don't think that our PRO weapons should do minimal damage to a vehicle

We also are switching to FGs because it will take multiple people to destroy one vehicle. Which is disgustingly sick considering how it only takes one person to operate what is quite literally the easiest role in the game, as well as one that doesn't require even teamwork.

I on the other hand, find it quite impossible to switch considering how I use both FGs and SLs.

"Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" -such is the motto of vehicle pilots

We also are switching to FGs because it will take multiple people to destroy one vehicle. Which is disgustingly sick

This statement was directed towards HAVs. Not Dropships. You can't tell me that with my 6+ months of piloting an HAV that they require teamwork. I'd love to see you try though.

Also, if your going to quote someone; then use the full quote. Don't cut or edit the quote to make your argument seem "better" or the other(s) "worser". That's called Libel. Do you work for Fox News by any chance?

Oh so I was correct in my statement:

The statement did originally end with that, but I use it in it's modified form to reflect what most vehicle pilots want, and have even openly said in multiple threads. But don't worry, I pay the creator (Spkr4TheDead), a total of 1 ISK in royalties every time I use that word.

Yes, I was trying to say something else. What I'm trying to say is we are switching to FGs because there is literally no point or reason to use the Swarm Launcher anymore. It's new model is going to defy the logic of all weapons.

Long range weapons are supposed have lower damage, but with the advantage of long range (with a few exceptions of course); and Short range weapons are supposed to deal huge amounts of damage with the drawbacks of short range.

Why would anyone use a weapon with both short range and lower amounts of damage? You can't give me a good reason as to why I should use the Swarm Launcher over the Forge Gun. I already know that the FG will also be nerfed into uselessness, so I'm going to finish skilling into my Large Railguns. It will clearly be the only viable AV weapon if we continue down this road, so why not get a head start?

To make things clearer, it's one of the same reasons why barely anyone uses a PLC.

That's why I said with the exception of a few weapons.

No it's not. You can not show me a single quote or description from CCP saying that the SL is supposed to be as you just said. That's like me saying HAVs should be slow bricks that are completely dependent on LLAVs to survive and are destroyed easily without one. I don't have an exact quote or description from CCP, but I'm going to assume that it's called "Swarm Launcher" because it fires a swarm of rockets at it's targets.

Tell me, how can you deny a vehicle of anything when the swarms do minimal damage and the vehicle can easily evade the attack with minimal harm and escape easily? I'd love to see someone try to destroy a dropship with Swarms in 1.7.

And the small missile turrets will have 300HP of splash damage? Sounds like Assault Dropships will be the next FoTM to me. I could easily see them firing at infantry while staying above SL lock range. That creates semi-invincibility.

I do believe that 400m was way too long, but at 175m they will be a joke weapon. Right next to PLCs.

Heck, I want to see you or anyone attempt to give me a good reason as to why I should keep using SLs. To give pilots easy kills? Heck no. Infact, I'm gonna finish skilling into Large Railguns. It's already what most pilots want. HAVs being the best and/or only counter to themselves.

Just remember guys, FG range = 300m. Large Rail range = 600m b*tch less about FG and more bout the return of redline railing

Again Judge, you get the point across of most pilots opinions without rage and frustration (which I am especially guilty of).

Judge for vehicle CPM !