DUST Search - playing as heavy.

Shadow Archeus wrote:

OK here's my thoughts on people saying they tried a heavy and it sucks......for how long did you try.......I agree the heavy sucks donkey nads right now .......but try taking into mind the amount of isk you lose.......a "cheap" heavy for me runs at 50k isk........without those buffs I'd be ripped to shreds.....now let's talk earning isk......heavies ARE defense oriented so they are slow and don't have any equipment and have a hacking penalty....so how am I supposed to earn wp and isk......I'll be honest I've gone 22-4 and gotten back 150k isk.....I'm losing 50k isk a match at that rate and I'm doing (IMHO) pretty good considering I'm a "point defense" character......at most ill have 3 mil isk.....mostly because of donations.....and I've been a heavy since day1 in closed beta

Now on to the "problems" with heavies

A lack of racial suits.......this is one big problem

There is no medium range heavy weapon.... this is a huge problem

The hmg is over accurate and needs a bit more spread to match its reticle.....this is a big problem

As shayz pointed out there's no recoil till you hit 20-25 rounds in the ar......this is a problem for everyone not just heavies.....

Logi suits can do soooooo much more, tank just about as hard, and put out wayyy more damage.....this is the biggest problem in the game imho

There's a lot of stuff wrong with the game and most of it hurts heavies (and scouts apparently).......

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CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 32	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:16:00 - [31] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: No same reason i don't use the flaylock pistol or plazma cannon if something in dust sucks just use something else. Waiting for ccp to fix your stuff takes to long. But, as a Heavy, we literally have TWO weapons that are ours, and one SUCKS. And the other just got nerfed. Granted, the FG was slightly OP, but the HMG is lackluster at best. I feel your pain you know how long i have been waiting for ccp to fix my stupid shield bonus on my gallente suit. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 876	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:29:00 - [32] - Quote Not only does the HMG suck, but there is simply no reason to use it in this game. There is nothing the HMG can do in this game that can't already be filled by other weapons. A Heavy with a AR is probably the only way to go, they can be effective sometimes. You want a perfect example of the direction this game is going? Look at the leaderboard. The #1 player in the game (former full time Heavy/HMG user CUBS) is going to be eclipsed by a guy that runs a Gallente Brick Logi Suit with an Duvolle, Milkman1) The Heavy wielding HMG is dead and counter productive. All hail AR514... Do the math even. Duvolle: 37damage at 750rpm = 462dps has an optimal range of 0-70m Boundless: 19damage at 2000rpm = 633dps has optimal range of 0-30m So why would you use a HMG again?
Macchi00 LORD-BRITISH 28	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:32:00 - [33] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. you should use the Forgegun! it is the most powerful weapon. I love ForgeGun.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1025	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:55:00 - [34] - Quote Stands over the grave of the Heavy and sobs. One day buddy you will be back and we are going to F* up some S*, until then rest and remember the good days of Beta( Places HMG on grave and walks away in Gal Assault) Do not eat the yellow snow
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 903	Posted - 2013.11.28 12:54:00 - [35] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. i run 2 smg's and a flux or a ar and smg on my heavy..hmg is broken
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 157	Posted - 2013.11.28 14:30:00 - [36] - Quote OK here's my thoughts on people saying they tried a heavy and it sucks......for how long did you try.......I agree the heavy sucks donkey nads right now .......but try taking into mind the amount of isk you lose.......a "cheap" heavy for me runs at 50k isk........without those buffs I'd be ripped to shreds.....now let's talk earning isk......heavies ARE defense oriented so they are slow and don't have any equipment and have a hacking penalty....so how am I supposed to earn wp and isk......I'll be honest I've gone 22-4 and gotten back 150k isk.....I'm losing 50k isk a match at that rate and I'm doing (IMHO) pretty good considering I'm a "point defense" character......at most ill have 3 mil isk.....mostly because of donations.....and I've been a heavy since day1 in closed beta Now on to the "problems" with heavies A lack of racial suits.......this is one big problem There is no medium range heavy weapon.... this is a huge problem The hmg is over accurate and needs a bit more spread to match its reticle.....this is a big problem As shayz pointed out there's no recoil till you hit 20-25 rounds in the ar......this is a problem for everyone not just heavies..... Logi suits can do soooooo much more, tank just about as hard, and put out wayyy more damage.....this is the biggest problem in the game imho There's a lot of stuff wrong with the game and most of it hurts heavies (and scouts apparently).......
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 148	Posted - 2013.11.28 15:03:00 - [37] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: OK here's my thoughts on people saying they tried a heavy and it sucks......for how long did you try.......I agree the heavy sucks donkey nads right now .......but try taking into mind the amount of isk you lose.......a "cheap" heavy for me runs at 50k isk........without those buffs I'd be ripped to shreds.....now let's talk earning isk......heavies ARE defense oriented so they are slow and don't have any equipment and have a hacking penalty....so how am I supposed to earn wp and isk......I'll be honest I've gone 22-4 and gotten back 150k isk.....I'm losing 50k isk a match at that rate and I'm doing (IMHO) pretty good considering I'm a "point defense" character......at most ill have 3 mil isk.....mostly because of donations.....and I've been a heavy since day1 in closed beta Now on to the "problems" with heavies A lack of racial suits.......this is one big problem There is no medium range heavy weapon.... this is a huge problem The hmg is over accurate and needs a bit more spread to match its reticle.....this is a big problem As shayz pointed out there's no recoil till you hit 20-25 rounds in the ar......this is a problem for everyone not just heavies..... Logi suits can do soooooo much more, tank just about as hard, and put out wayyy more damage.....this is the biggest problem in the game imho There's a lot of stuff wrong with the game and most of it hurts heavies (and scouts apparently)....... Don't blame logi because people can't play and heavy, scout suits suck.The biggest problem in this game is the AR has been for the longest.Next is the scrub assault who get handed win but cry when a non assault beats them.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 396	Posted - 2013.11.29 01:59:00 - [38] - Quote Given that this game has a complex skill tree that is meant to reward players on SP spent (ok not going into vehicles we all know vehicles are pooched right now.) the fact that the AR is one of the most powerful weapons in the game is unbalanced. The AR also requires the least sp expendature. At leas the scrambler requires more sp expendature and has a heat build up so taking on multiple opponents is challenging with a scr. Taking out multiple opponents with an ar? total breeze. I myself am proto in HMG, FG, and AR weapons (and advanced scr because they are pretty awesome) When i am just running about in pub matches i generally play a logi with a scr. When i start to get annoyed or if i have had a bad day and just really want to make people cry i switch to a basic heavy proto frame with stacked complex damage mods armored up the wazoo and my duvoll. It works wonders its like all i have to do is hold down fire and spray all over the place and i see my kills going up. So really i would say the biggest problem in the game is just how unbalanced the AR is. Weapons that require more SP should have SOME advantage over the AR. Right now the AR is the all purpose why use anything else killing machine.
Tectonic Fusion 628	Posted - 2013.11.29 02:09:00 - [39] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: i do sympathize with scouts. (Unless it is a minja) If you look at them wrong they seem to die... 30% HP Buff perhaps. No! Give us 50% more speed (or 30% :3) Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Joel II X AHPA 229	Posted - 2013.11.29 02:34:00 - [40] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Yeah it's bad and 1.7 doesn't seem to be helping it much, hopes for 2.8? Fixed.

Tectonic Fusion 629	Posted - 2013.11.29 03:01:00 - [41] - Quote Can I has isk? Solo Player Squad status: Locked
crychon xCosmic Voidx Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 73	Posted - 2013.11.29 03:56:00 - [42] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. yep i feel your pain brother,,,,,go through suits in a match faster than i go through a bag of doritos
crychon xCosmic Voidx Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 73	Posted - 2013.11.29 03:58:00 - [43] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I run all classes (Killer Bee, mostly, but some Minja and Shotty Scout). I know how bad Heavies, Scouts, and vehicles (except LLAV's, don't include them) are. My point is, an SMG should NOT be better than an HMG. It's literally against physics. And I never said the SUIT needed fixing, just the 10% damage buff and Aim Assist, as well as the HMG. what they will end up doing is nerfing the smg thinking that will make the hmg more in line
crychon xCosmic Voidx Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 73	Posted - 2013.11.29 04:02:00 - [44] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I run all classes (Killer Bee, mostly, but some Minja and Shotty Scout). I know how bad Heavies, Scouts, and vehicles (except LLAV's, don't include them) are. My point is, an SMG should NOT be better than an HMG. It's literally against physics. And I never said the SUIT needed fixing, just the 10% damage buff and Aim Assist, as well as the HMG. why should the smg NOT be better then the HMG? why should the HMG be better? do circumstances not matter in DUST514 its like nobody will be happy until its a twitch shooter and nobody will be happy until their class is invincible tbh some of the players I see run heavy and go 29-9 and complain I just dont get it i would do a dance of joy if i could get 10/10 in a match running heavy with hmg,,,, others may be able to but i can't
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 275	Posted - 2013.11.29 04:10:00 - [45] - Quote as a full time heavy part time amarr logi/salt i got to say... it isnt the suit it's that bovine fecal matter HMG that is the problem... see sig nuff said How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 285	Posted - 2013.11.29 04:13:00 - [46] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I run all classes (Killer Bee, mostly, but some Minja and Shotty Scout). I know how bad Heavies, Scouts, and vehicles (except LLAV's, don't include them) are. My point is, an SMG should NOT be better than an HMG. It's literally against physics. And I never said the SUIT needed fixing, just the 10% damage buff and Aim Assist, as well as the HMG. why should the smg NOT be better then the HMG? why should the HMG be better? do circumstances not matter in DUST514 its like nobody will be happy until its a twitch shooter and nobody will be happy until their class is invincible tbh some of the players I see run heavy and go 29-9 and complain I just dont get it Both weapons are supposed to excel at close range, this is according to CCP. so the HMG should be better. This game has pretty much become a twitch shooter. with how strong ARs are, its pretty much which cal logi looks at the other first.. Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 4	Posted - 2013.11.29 05:22:00 - [47] - Quote I use the heavy suits all the time and they seem to work great for me and has helped me create some of my best performances in the game. 30/3, 20/4, 17/1 is fine with me and I don't see why anyone should complain about that. It's not always the suit that's bad, sometimes it's the player. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Advanced Heavy, HMG, Soon To Be A Prototype. Over 7 Mill Total SP In 4 Months.
NOAMIzzzzz Pradox One Proficiency V. 63	Posted - 2013.11.29 05:31:00 - [48] - Quote i wat my heavy back :(


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