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TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 274	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:23:00 - [1] - Quote Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2447	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:33:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah it's bad and 1.7 doesn't seem to be helping it much, hopes for 1.8? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2004	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:36:00 - [3] - Quote i do sympathize with scouts. (Unless it is a minja) If you look at them wrong they seem to die... 30% HP Buff perhaps. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2004	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:38:00 - [4] - Quote As for Heavies, they are terribad. Perhaps a small speed buff would help them. Or maybe just let the hmg be an smg clone stat wise with an extended clip of 300. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1543	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:40:00 - [5] - Quote Get an LLAV and do ambush style hit-and-runs, or get somone with a Core Repair Tool and stake out an urban environment with hallways together, otherwise yeah heavies with HMGs are kinda bad. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 171	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:41:00 - [6] - Quote There are maps where Heavies are terribad, with really long areas of death, and some where there are "safe zones" usually in the city. I stay in those areas and go positive, as long as I don't journey TOO far away. Contact WaTcHoUt1219 ZARTA for Logos. More are available. 500K ISK.
RA Drahcir Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 305	Posted - 2013.11.28 07:42:00 - [7] - Quote scouts are fine, they are not meant to go toe-to-toe with anything, just keep running, Forest. Heavies are a joke, I am one that is working towards a MinLogi, since no one else wants to be a true Logibro.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2452	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:22:00 - [8] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: scouts are fine, they are not meant to go toe-to-toe with anything, just keep running, Forest. Heavies are a joke, I am one that is working towards a MinLogi, since no one else wants to be a true Logibro. Don't know what this guy's been drinking but I want some. Scouts are fine when they're invaluable in competitive gameplay like a good logi or a heavy AV specialist is today. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 659	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:27:00 - [9] - Quote now you know how bad us heavies have it, we have to field our proto suits just to survive long enough to kill someone. feels like our proto suits = militia suits. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2452	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:33:00 - [10] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: now you know how bad us heavies have it, we have to field our proto suits just to survive long enough to kill someone. feels like our proto suits = militia suits. How do you think scouts feel? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB

Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 174	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:37:00 - [11] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: now you know how bad us heavies have it, we have to field our proto suits just to survive long enough to kill someone. feels like our proto suits = militia suits. How do you think scouts feel? As a Killer Bee, my only fear is... well, other Killer Bees. That should NOT be the case, I should fear all classes equally. Names of playstyles
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 5	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:39:00 - [12] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: now you know how bad us heavies have it, we have to field our proto suits just to survive long enough to kill someone. feels like our proto suits = militia suits. How do you think scouts feel? You probably feel like a guy in a nudist colony that's got hit by hail. You are in pain and then cold air is adding insult to injury to your package Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1483	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:51:00 - [13] - Quote Heavies do have major problems going toe t toe in a straight up fight... thats why you have to be a b*stard. Heavies are big and slow and their fittings are more restrictive then most other suits... so play mean and dirty, dont give them the satisfaction. You have to use your brain and be in the right place at the right time more than any other suit. Its harder for heavies so we have to do things the hard way, but that makes a good heavy tough and feared. The answer is "ForgeGun"... doesnt matter what the question is...
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2453	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:54:00 - [14] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: now you know how bad us heavies have it, we have to field our proto suits just to survive long enough to kill someone. feels like our proto suits = militia suits. How do you think scouts feel? You probably feel like a guy in a nudist colony that's got hit by hail. You are in pain and then cold air is adding insult to injury to your package That's.....an interesting way to put it. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:55:00 - [15] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. See were you went wrong is getting a proto HMG instead of a proto forge gun. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 582	Posted - 2013.11.28 08:58:00 - [16] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. throw two ishukone or m209 assault smg's on that suit SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 174	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:02:00 - [17] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. throw two ishukone or m209 assault smg's on that suit If we wanted to run SMG's, we wouldn't run a Heavy suit. Names of playstyles
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:14:00 - [18] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. throw two ishukone or m209 assault smg's on that suit If we wanted to run SMG's, we wouldn't run a Heavy suit. If you wanted to kill people you wouldn't be in a Heavy suit. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 583	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:15:00 - [19] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. throw two ishukone or m209 assault smg's on that suit If we wanted to run SMG's, we wouldn't run a Heavy suit. okay well I threw on a militia Eon heavy frame with 2 m209's complex shield energizer enhanced shield regulator and I went 29-0 if your not willing to try new stuff out thats not my fault SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 175	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:16:00 - [20] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. throw two ishukone or m209 assault smg's on that suit If we wanted to run SMG's, we wouldn't run a Heavy suit. okay well I threw on a militia Eon heavy frame with 2 m209's complex shield energizer enhanced shield regulator and I went 29-0 if your not willing to try new stuff out thats not my fault I'm all for new things, but Heavy suits are supposed to use Heavy Weapons. The fact that 2 M209's beats an HMG and SMG combo doesn't bother you? Names of playstyles

XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 583	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:27:00 - [21] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. throw two ishukone or m209 assault smg's on that suit If we wanted to run SMG's, we wouldn't run a Heavy suit. okay well I threw on a militia Eon heavy frame with 2 m209's complex shield energizer enhanced shield regulator and I went 29-0 if your not willing to try new stuff out thats not my fault I'm all for new things, but Heavy suits are supposed to use Heavy Weapons. The fact that 2 M209's beats an HMG and SMG combo doesn't bother you? it does bother me and im a scout but its not the suit that needs fixing its the hmg the smg has a beter dps and concentrated fire even with hipfire until they fix it i'd try and find other ways to be efficient as a scout I know how it feels to have crappy non working class weapons SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
mollerz Minja Scouts 998	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:30:00 - [22] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. waddup dude! Well.. imagine being a minja scout playing this game. It could have been worse! Edit: I had a similar experience a bit ago. I had set up an alt for my Gf's little brother. Long story, but he logged on and willy nilly spent the SP that had built up for him in the worst way. Game was DOA to him instantly. GG CCP. > #shittycoding
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 175	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:34:00 - [23] - Quote I run all classes (Killer Bee, mostly, but some Minja and Shotty Scout). I know how bad Heavies, Scouts, and vehicles (except LLAV's, don't include them) are. My point is, an SMG should NOT be better than an HMG. It's literally against physics. And I never said the SUIT needed fixing, just the 10% damage buff and Aim Assist, as well as the HMG. Names of playstyles
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 394	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:39:00 - [24] - Quote It really makes no sense at all that any standard hand held light weapon should out damage a HMG. This is a weapon that requires a heavy suit (large sp sink) then requires more SP than most light weapons to even wield the thing (baring militia varients) So if you go HMG you get to spend more SP and get less dps in every aspect. Brilliant! It is like stepping into photo booth paying your money and instead getting squirted in the face with pepper spray!
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 583	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:42:00 - [25] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I run all classes (Killer Bee, mostly, but some Minja and Shotty Scout). I know how bad Heavies, Scouts, and vehicles (except LLAV's, don't include them) are. My point is, an SMG should NOT be better than an HMG. It's literally against physics. And I never said the SUIT needed fixing, just the 10% damage buff and Aim Assist, as well as the HMG. why should the smg NOT be better then the HMG? why should the HMG be better? do circumstances not matter in DUST514 its like nobody will be happy until its a twitch shooter and nobody will be happy until their class is invincible tbh some of the players I see run heavy and go 29-9 and complain I just dont get it SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 175	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:46:00 - [26] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I run all classes (Killer Bee, mostly, but some Minja and Shotty Scout). I know how bad Heavies, Scouts, and vehicles (except LLAV's, don't include them) are. My point is, an SMG should NOT be better than an HMG. It's literally against physics. And I never said the SUIT needed fixing, just the 10% damage buff and Aim Assist, as well as the HMG. why should the smg NOT be better then the HMG? why should the HMG be better? do circumstances not matter in DUST514 its like nobody will be happy until its a twitch shooter and nobody will be happy until their class is invincible tbh some of the players I see run heavy and go 29-9 and complain I just dont get it An HMG is a gatling gun. Do you now how much destruction they cause? I do pretty well with my heavy, but the ones that do great have a logi or are running AR. If I wanted a Light Weapon or two SIdearms, I'd run Assault. (Which, btw, I do.) I just want my Heavy Weapons to compete with ARs, ScRs and SMGs. Not be outclassed by a lower classification. Names of playstyles
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 32	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:01:00 - [27] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: Tonight my cousin was over and we decided to play on his account. he hasn't played in months since he got tired of being proto stomped when he was fresh out of the academy. I put his skills into full proto heavy suit. im talking boundless, 4 complex armor plates, and complex damage mod. I was expecting to have a good time and some good fights, but we got the opposite. Every enemy we ran into would fry us with their damage modded duvolle in around a second. 1600 ehp gone in around a second. I really want that to stick: 1600 EHP gone in around a second. I am never going to give heavies hell for running with proto suits in pubs again. It is laughable how sucky heavys are now. the range sucks on the weapon, and it is weaker than every other weapon. He did better with his proto ishukune sub machine gun. A side arm did better than a damn gatling gun. I don't even want to know how bad the scout suits are. I really hope 1.7 is all they crack it up to be. throw two ishukone or m209 assault smg's on that suit If we wanted to run SMG's, we wouldn't run a Heavy suit. okay well I threw on a militia Eon heavy frame with 2 m209's complex shield energizer enhanced shield regulator and I went 29-0 if your not willing to try new stuff out thats not my fault I'm all for new things, but Heavy suits are supposed to use Heavy Weapons. The fact that 2 M209's beats an HMG and SMG combo doesn't bother you? No same reason i don't use the flaylock pistol or plazma cannon if something in dust sucks just use something else. Waiting for ccp to fix your stuff takes to long. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Bazookah Tooth NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 368	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:03:00 - [28] - Quote In bc heavies suk. But hmg is my love -Bazookah Tooth HMG for Life
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 176	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:04:00 - [29] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: No same reason i don't use the flaylock pistol or plazma cannon if something in dust sucks just use something else. Waiting for ccp to fix your stuff takes to long. But, as a Heavy, we literally have TWO weapons that are ours, and one SUCKS. And the other just got nerfed. Granted, the FG was slightly OP, but the HMG is lackluster at best. Names of playstyles
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1483	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:08:00 - [30] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTEoWijPFvM&feature=youtube_gdata_player Proof that ARs need to be changed. It's not heavies that suck, it's the ARs that can kill them without even trying. Keep in mind that my video is with a normal AR no damage mods, proficiency, or anything else. The people you were going up against probably had these things, making the AR even more deadly than my video already shows. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!



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