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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4042	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:05:00 - [31] - Quote No. I'm guessing you suck at fitting but my Caldari Assault is much better overall than my Gal Assault. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4042	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:07:00 - [32] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Slightly on topic: To all saying armour needs nerfed/shields need buffed, just realize that two of the most popular weapons (AR/SCR) are strong to shields and weak to armour. Also note that there are two new weapons being released in two weeks that are strong against armour, so before we ask for stat changes, let's see how the new weapons affect the meta. 10% + vs Armor is not a Scrambler Rifle Charged shot +20% vs Shield. Armor: More HP , Less Effective Bonuses against it, Rifle Wise Shield: Less HP, More damage from Weapon bonuses. 10% and 20% Argument = Invalid Your argument becomes VALID, in the Case Rail Rifles Become -20% vs Shields + 20% vs Armor. Explosives do 20%. Look at the chart in the weapons blog, shields get better overall resistances. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4042	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:10:00 - [33] - Quote Zekain K wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Slightly on topic: To all saying armour needs nerfed/shields need buffed, just realize that two of the most popular weapons (AR/SCR) are strong to shields and weak to armour. Also note that there are two new weapons being released in two weeks that are strong against armour, so before we ask for stat changes, let's see how the new weapons affect the meta. 10% + vs Armor is not a Scrambler Rifle Charged shot +20% vs Shield. Armor: More HP , Less Effective Bonuses against it, Rifle Wise Shield: Less HP, More damage from Weapon bonuses. 10% and 20% Argument = Invalid Your argument becomes VALID, in the Case Rail Rifles Become -20% vs Shields + 20% vs Armor. Massdriver. and it's terrible. It destroys armor tanked people very quickly. It also requires no aiming and hits people behind cover. It also has 140m range. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz 170	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:19:00 - [34] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: It should be buffed because armor is too OP right now. Its not OP. Your just not used to being killed by it. About time armor is better tho! Anything thats not Shield+ AR is OP it 60% of players. Good thing Dust514 is free. I would have returned it along time ago.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1011	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:27:00 - [35] - Quote CLOSEDBETA TSTR-est E3 wrote: Zekain K wrote: True Adamance wrote: Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. Nope they should have bonuses to Rail Tech Range or damage. Assaults should be offensively focused. Logi Support Focused. Heavy Defence Focused. Scout.... Mobility Focused. I'm noy talking about bonuses, I'm talking about a straight up buff. doesnt matter you die from scramblers just like everyone else.Ask a heavy if he dies to fast from a mass... Today I lost to a F*** bunny hopping Armarr with a ScR. Suit turn ratio f* horrible. Its a F*** sad day when a 1600+ EhP Suit gets wiped out by a ScR at close range. My MH 82 was no match. Another match proving my point. I was running my Dren Assault I came upon a Heavy. I pull out my Toxin Sub and run circles around the poor fellow, half way thru his armor he gave up his HMG and tried to use a sub vs. a sub. By that time it was to late. Down he went and I felt so bad for him, he was outclassed form the start, not from skill but from poor design. Do not eat the yellow snow
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 264	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:32:00 - [36] - Quote You want a buff in addition to your ability to stack plates and/or put a regulator and drop your timer to 4/7? Give up a low slot. Then i'll accept it. Or hell, swap slot layout with the minmatar assault. Because the minnie assault is the weakest in the game. Can't remove AA so minmatar's ONLY advantage is nullified. That and i can't even armor tank thx to caldaris having more base armor and lows, mixed with lower max shield (555) and shield regen(at lv5 its 17 i believe) Also i think you should get in line: heavies and scouts are first. -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 269	Posted - 2013.11.26 08:59:00 - [37] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. From my experience they already have: Assault: Caldari Shield recharge: 25 Hp/s Shield delay: 5s Shield depleted delay: 8s Gallente: Shield recharge: 20 Hp/s Shield delay: 7s Shield depleted delay: 10s Amarr: Shield recharge: 20 Hp/s Shield delay: 6s Shield depleted delay: 10s Minmatar: Shield recharge: 18 Hp/s Shield delay: 6s Shield depleted delay: 10s Logistic Caldari: Shield recharge: 20 Hp/s Shield delay: 6s Shield depleted delay: 8s Gallente: Shield recharge: 15 Hp/s Shield delay: 7s Shield depleted delay: 8s Amarr: Shield recharge: 17 Hp/s Shield delay: 6s Shield depleted delay: 7s Minmatar: Shield recharge: 20 Hp/s Shield delay: 6s Shield depleted delay: 8s Although the difference is more noticeable on the Caldari assault suit.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1116	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:24:00 - [38] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. Only whenever i get my lost slot on my amarr assault Caldari: 7 Module Slots Gallente: 7 Module Slots Minmatar: 7 Module Slots Amarr: 6 Module Slots <-- Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 610	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:27:00 - [39] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. Only whenever i get my lost slot on my amarr assault Caldari: 7 Module Slots Gallente: 7 Module Slots Minmatar: 7 Module Slots Amarr: 6 Module Slots <-- You mean when all assault suits have been rebalanced (buffed) with respect to logis to make it the _obvious_ choice for slayers? KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 457	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:39:00 - [40] - Quote I think Minmatar Needs a higher recharge rate more than the Cal suits, to make up for the lowest HP Pool.

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1118	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:44:00 - [41] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. Only whenever i get my lost slot on my amarr assault Caldari: 7 Module Slots Gallente: 7 Module Slots Minmatar: 7 Module Slots Amarr: 6 Module Slots <-- You mean when all assault suits have been rebalanced (buffed) with respect to logis to make it the _obvious_ choice for slayers? Oh friggin yeah! some of the suit layouts don't make sense to me Caldari Logi Advanced 3/2 slot layout Amarr Logi Advanced 3/3 slot layout with sidearm Caldari Logi Pro 5/4 slot layout Amarr Logu Pro 3/4 slot layout with the same sidearm I mean what the flying fcks ? How come the Caldari sprouts an additional 4 slots while the Amarr grows 1 slot ??? its defo not the sidearm, because otherwise the advanced suit should have a layout of 2/2... Amarr assault Pro 3/3 slot layout ....hey look if i just take the amarr advanced logi and just use the Carthum, it allows me to fit 2 equipment slots on that sht while having the exact same tank as my assault Pro suit.... I could go on, but i mean who ever is balancing them, should talk to the person next to him doing the other suit...because it obviously is rocket science to balance them .... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1525	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:47:00 - [42] - Quote Yes. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 612	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:49:00 - [43] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. Only whenever i get my lost slot on my amarr assault Caldari: 7 Module Slots Gallente: 7 Module Slots Minmatar: 7 Module Slots Amarr: 6 Module Slots <-- You mean when all assault suits have been rebalanced (buffed) with respect to logis to make it the _obvious_ choice for slayers? Oh friggin yeah! some of the suit layouts don't make sense to me Caldari Logi Advanced 3/2 slot layout Amarr Logi Advanced 3/3 slot layout with sidearm Caldari Logi Pro 5/4 slot layout Amarr Logu Pro 3/4 slot layout with the same sidearm I mean what the flying fcks ? How come the Caldari sprouts an additional 4 slots while the Amarr grows 1 slot ??? its defo not the sidearm, because otherwise the advanced suit should have a layout of 2/2... Amarr assault Pro 3/3 slot layout ....hey look if i just take the amarr advanced logi and just use the Carthum, it allows me to fit 2 equipment slots on that sht while having the exact same tank as my assault Pro suit.... I could go on, but i mean who ever is balancing them, should talk to the person next to him doing the other suit...because it obviously is rocket science to balance them .... This is one of the things that will make me play the game again in 1.7. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 270	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:49:00 - [44] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. Only whenever i get my lost slot on my amarr assault Caldari: 7 Module Slots Gallente: 7 Module Slots Minmatar: 7 Module Slots Amarr: 6 Module Slots <-- You mean when all assault suits have been rebalanced (buffed) with respect to logis to make it the _obvious_ choice for slayers? Oh friggin yeah! some of the suit layouts don't make sense to me Caldari Logi Advanced 3/2 slot layout Amarr Logi Advanced 3/3 slot layout with sidearm Caldari Logi Pro 5/4 slot layout Amarr Logu Pro 3/4 slot layout with the same sidearm I mean what the flying fcks ? How come the Caldari sprouts an additional 4 slots while the Amarr grows 1 slot ??? its defo not the sidearm, because otherwise the advanced suit should have a layout of 2/2... Amarr assault Pro 3/3 slot layout ....hey look if i just take the amarr advanced logi and just use the Carthum, it allows me to fit 2 equipment slots on that sht while having the exact same tank as my assault Pro suit.... I could go on, but i mean who ever is balancing them, should talk to the person next to him doing the other suit...because it obviously is rocket science to balance them .... Honestly I think this not only limited to Slot layouts IMHO the whole dropsuit conception is sometimes very weird, regarding stats and balance CCP should be somewhat closer to the EVE principles with Dropsuits instead of experimenting with new preferences.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1118	Posted - 2013.11.26 09:59:00 - [45] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. Only whenever i get my lost slot on my amarr assault Caldari: 7 Module Slots Gallente: 7 Module Slots Minmatar: 7 Module Slots Amarr: 6 Module Slots <-- You mean when all assault suits have been rebalanced (buffed) with respect to logis to make it the _obvious_ choice for slayers? Oh friggin yeah! some of the suit layouts don't make sense to me Caldari Logi Advanced 3/2 slot layout Amarr Logi Advanced 3/3 slot layout with sidearm Caldari Logi Pro 5/4 slot layout Amarr Logu Pro 3/4 slot layout with the same sidearm I mean what the flying fcks ? How come the Caldari sprouts an additional 4 slots while the Amarr grows 1 slot ??? its defo not the sidearm, because otherwise the advanced suit should have a layout of 2/2... Amarr assault Pro 3/3 slot layout ....hey look if i just take the amarr advanced logi and just use the Carthum, it allows me to fit 2 equipment slots on that sht while having the exact same tank as my assault Pro suit.... I could go on, but i mean who ever is balancing them, should talk to the person next to him doing the other suit...because it obviously is rocket science to balance them .... Honestly I think this not only limited to Slot layouts IMHO the whole dropsuit conception is sometimes very weird, regarding stats and balance CCP should be somewhat closer to the EVE principles with Dropsuits instead of experimenting with new preferences. Couldnt agree more.. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 612	Posted - 2013.11.26 10:06:00 - [46] - Quote Tanking Assault Frigates Vengeance - Uses rockets. Tough ship with three midslots. Hawk - Uses missile launchers. Strong solo and small gang PvP ship, helpful in PvE. Ishkur - Drone boat. Superb. Potentially 50m3 drone bay. Jaguar - Projectile turrets. Decent DPS, fastest assault ship. Four midslots, usually shield tanked, sometimes successful solo. Damage Dealer Assault Frigates Retribution - Uses lasers. High DPS, however (like the Punisher on which it is based) it has only two mid slots, precluding the prop/scram/web trinity. Harpy - Uses hybrid turrets. Commonly fit with railguns as a mini-sniper. Enyo - Uses hybrid turrets. Commonly fit with blasters for face-melting point-blank DPS. Wolf - Uses projectile turrets. Very high DPS. Logistics Frigate Ships Inquisitor - Bonus to Remote Armor Repair Systems Bantam - Bonus to Shield Transporter boosters Navitas - Bonus to Remote Armor Repair Systems Burst - Bonus to Shield Transporter boosters Taken from this: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Frigate#Assault_Ships and This: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Frigate#Logistics_Frigates Do you see any resemblance here how logi/assault in dust SHOULD be?? Assault - DMG. Logi - Repairs. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Sky Kage Immortal Guides 116	Posted - 2013.11.26 14:54:00 - [47] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Sky Kage wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It should be buffed because armor is too OP right now. I Both shield and armor tank and i have to say i see no real difference between the two, well except i die alot more to grenades when i armor tank... (Complex extenders and plates, adv gallente and minmatar) For a second there, I thought you dual tanked. I was about to gather a mob... I do... I die alot AND have fun... Who knew? FIX MATCHMAKING CCP!
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 134	Posted - 2013.12.02 07:52:00 - [48] - Quote i think the rechargers are fine, but the regulators need love. i'd say buff the complex regulator to 35-40% or make an additional regulator mod that gives a much higher % but lowers shield hp like the energizers do.
Cosgar ParagonX 8189	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:06:00 - [49] - Quote Give Trade shield depleted/delay with Minmatar and we have a deal. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2407	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:38:00 - [50] - Quote Zekain K wrote: Shield recharge rate, recharge delay, and depleted recharge delay. I'm not by the game right now. But from experience it feels like that the suits, mainly the assault, and basic med frames all have the same shield recovery stats. Shouldn't the caldari suits have better shield recovery stats to emphasize their shield tanking theme? And possibly a slightly altered CPU, and GP supply that isn't identical to the gelente suit. They already do. Recharge rate of 25, vs 20 for Gal & Ama, 18 for Min The recharge delay & depleted delay are also better, but I can't remember those numbers. No.

Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 171	Posted - 2013.12.02 08:59:00 - [51] - Quote Nobody ever cares about the poor minmatars. I've been running around playing this game on hard mode for months in my Minnie assault while suffering through all the FOTMs and never made a peep. Sorry things got so tough for you caldaris, now you actually have to get good. Nope let's just cry about it instead. I'll continue to spray my extra 20 bullets from my SMG in your general direction.


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