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Rei Shepard
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Posted - 2013.11.25 07:21:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:How do we, as a community, feel about them?
They are...
...To easy to get SP wise
...OHK on any suit
...Not really hard to fit in any proto suit, regardless of what everyone is saying
...too easy to spam in a general direction
...combo's too easy with a proto hive for more spam in any given direction
...even too lethal at Militia level, capable of dealing 719 damage to my suit, also OHK most of my suit fits
While everyone seem to agree on that guns shouldnt OHK people, or even kill them sub 1 second, it seems for most its just fine that grenades kill you in less then you can say "Dafuq".....
But then again, when you watch people on youtube, bitching about how people SPAM grandes to no end and *****, ***** and biiiitch about it, but every time they see someone they are already tossing a grenade first, then if the second grenade fails, default to their gungame.....then something is wrong...
And to be on the subject of grenades, that they are "Grenades" and should OHK people, in most shooters you are wearing a flak jacket and can survive near blasts pretty OK, but now that we are in the future where we hold miniature black hole generators in the version of guns that need time to penetrate shields then armor.....but hey ...look this magical grenade kills you in one toss...
Grenades need to be toned down for 6 months already, they should come in handy when tactics ask for it, not come in handy at every possible scenario....
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Rei Shepard
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Posted - 2013.11.25 07:48:00 -
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Quote:I do get peeved when I start shooting someone and they back around the corner, cook a nade, pop out and blow my face off, but that requires a modicum of skill and I respect their decision in the heat of the moment, but seriously, shoot back at me.
That doesnt take skill, it takes counting to 3, witch everyone on these forums should be able to do....
What does take skill is throwing a grenade though a window, from 20m bouncing of the right wall, and hitting the guy in the face that came from the left side with a ideally cooked grenade to the face...
I am not seeing those here....
I see the...
Oh **** i am almost dead, i better drop a grenade
Oh **** i am almost dead, i better back up a second and drop a grenade
Oh **** theres a room in front of me, better drop a grenade
Oh **** someones comming my way, better drop a grenade
Oh **** i got scanned, better drop a grenade overthere
Oh **** i see one guy in a suit, better drop a grenade
On second thought, i better drop 2 grenades
While we are at it, lets drop all grenades, i got a hive...no worries...
Yay i am on a roof Bitches!! Better start nading the sh*t out of everything below, while doing the "Can't Touch me" song in their head
Oh **** someone is shooting at me, better start cooking a grenade instead of aiming with my gun
Oh **** its a clusterfuck, better take out 2 hives and start spamming the shitz out of them
...versions that OHK you while they are at your feet...
I am fine with getting OHK when a grenade explodes at your face level, but they should do reduced damage when they are on the floor....like near your feet...
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.11.25 09:43:00 -
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Import Beercase wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Quote:I do get peeved when I start shooting someone and they back around the corner, cook a nade, pop out and blow my face off, but that requires a modicum of skill and I respect their decision in the heat of the moment, but seriously, shoot back at me. That doesnt take skill, it takes counting to 3, witch everyone on these forums should be able to do.... What does take skill is throwing a grenade though a window, from 20m bouncing of the right wall, and hitting the guy in the face that came from the left side with a ideally cooked grenade to the face... I am not seeing those here.... I see the... Oh **** i am almost dead, i better drop a grenade Oh **** i am almost dead, i better back up a second and drop a grenade Oh **** theres a room in front of me, better drop a grenade Oh **** someones comming my way, better drop a grenade Oh **** i got scanned, better drop a grenade overthere Oh **** i see one guy in a suit, better drop a grenade On second thought, i better drop 2 grenades While we are at it, lets drop all grenades, i got a hive...no worries... Yay i am on a roof Bitches!! Better start nading the sh*t out of everything below, while doing the "Can't Touch me" song in their head Oh **** someone is shooting at me, better start cooking a grenade instead of aiming with my gun Oh **** its a clusterfuck, better take out 2 hives and start spamming the shitz out of them ...versions that OHK you while they are at your feet... I am fine with getting OHK when a grenade explodes at your face level, but they should do reduced damage when they are on the floor....like near your feet... Quote:Nope. Hear me out here.
KEEP THE DAMAGE. They should kill things. They're grenades. It's what they do.
REMOVE THE ABILITY TO COOK. REDUCE AMMO COUNT TO 2.
Why? Now they are tactical. You use them to force targets to vacate an area. Grenade goes down, they now have to move or die. Works great if they have to move into your line of fire as well Twisted I am guessing this is your first FPS game then .... All we need is NO grenades from a nano hive. ......Then we see how that turns out... I am one of those cant touch me scrubs.. But I support Richiesuties 2 and others that feel that nanohives should only provide ammo for H L S weapons.
That would work for me aswell
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:08:00 -
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Quote:How about by giving it a distinct audible indicator (Like an abnoxious beeping noise) while still keeping its ability to kill; thus when thrown at a group and everyone hears the BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP the GTFO and those that dont get blown to smitherines
rofl ....
I can picture myself already on the frontlines, Madlax says something to me ....BUT I CANT HEAR HIM OVER ALL THOSE DISTINCT AUDIBLE BEEPS.....aaaand then i die ...unable to even hear the explosion sound, because it got muffled in the sea of Beeps....
Few months pass...
How to know if someone is a Dust 514 player: Something beeps and you see them GTFO like greased lightning in RL...
You got good ideas, but i am not signing off on that beeping, juuust yet :p
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:23:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:How do we, as a community, feel about them? They are... ...To easy to get SP wise ...OHK on any suit ...Not really hard to fit in any proto suit, regardless of what everyone is saying ...too easy to spam in a general direction ...combo's too easy with a proto hive for more spam in any given direction ...even too lethal at Militia level, capable of dealing 719 damage to my suit, also OHK most of my suit fits While everyone seem to agree on that guns shouldnt OHK people, or even kill them sub 1 second, it seems for most its just fine that grenades kill you in less then you can say "Dafuq"..... But then again, when you watch people on youtube, bitching about how people SPAM grandes to no end and *****, ***** and biiiitch about it, but every time they see someone they are already tossing a grenade first, then if the second grenade fails, default to their gungame.....then something is wrong... And to be on the subject of grenades, that they are "Grenades" and should OHK people, in most shooters you are wearing a flak jacket and can survive near blasts pretty OK, but now that we are in the future where we hold miniature black hole generators in the version of guns that need time to penetrate shields then armor.....but hey ...look this magical grenade kills you in one toss... Grenades need to be toned down for 6 months already, they should come in handy when tactics ask for it, not come in handy at every possible scenario.... 719 damage at militia? Even if I give militia locus grenades a 50% bonus it would only do 600 damage.
and if you dont have shields left on an Amarr assault with 533 armor, a militia will OHK you for 540 damage without headshot bonusses...
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:25:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Nope. Hear me out here.
KEEP THE DAMAGE. They should kill things. They're grenades. It's what they do.
REMOVE THE ABILITY TO COOK. REDUCE AMMO COUNT TO 2.
Why? Now they are tactical. You use them to force targets to vacate an area. Grenade goes down, they now have to move or die. Works great if they have to move into your line of fire as well Twisted I am guessing this is your first FPS game then ....
Not my first FPS.
I am guessing you have never played BF3.
Same mechanic there. 1 grenade, no ability to cook, lethal if they land on target. You use them to flush targets out of cover. Grenade launchers work better, but only the assault class could use it. I used them all the time while playing as recon.[/quote]
Ive played it, never used the grenade though
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Rei Shepard
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:34:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:
Yea because of the 35% extra armor damage you get from locus grenades.
But then again, i once got mowed over by a Lav that hit the back of my shoe-sole for 10.000 damage...i doubt that counter is fool-proof they got at ccp
i remember being hit for far more then 719 from militia grenadesn, but i dont recall it exactly, the 719 happened yesterday and it dropped aprox 5 meters away from me and i laughed ....ill be OK! ....and theeeen it hit me ....so i doubt it was a headshot...
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:38:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Ive played it, never used the grenade though I gave up on fixing the quotes. Why not? It was dang useful to force people out of headglitches. IMO grenades are used to clear rooms, and if you remove the cook mechanic, you turn it into a utility weapon instead of a killing weapon. You will see more people use it tactically instead of spamming them like hell trying to get kills. Since they can be easily avoided, idiots will waste all of their grenades, but skilled players can use them to great effectiveness (albeit in a specialized role, which is to force people to move from a location)
I dunno, ive never relied on grenades as a weapon, maybe its an old habbit from our Doom 1,2 & 3 days where we didnt have grenades to kill each other with, or my half-life & CS days, was all about headshotting people.
I guess its a generation thing...
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