You could limit the usage of the item to be perchasable x amount in x amount of time. Or sell them in events once the line of a certain type is launched( all racial/variant weapons launched, vehicles, suits). Still possible stockpiles could be damaging. Who knows. From what I had read and seen on eve and dust, the more I see my decisions were not what I wanted, but what was available.

But too many holes arise with a system like this.

I'm for expensive AUR respecs with a minimum of a 90 day cool down and a cap on the number of lifetime respecs.

No.



Just NO.







I have already given more than enough reasons why. I said it so many times that a simple search of the forums will show you my reasons for hating this idea.

judging by your likes, your obvious a vet. you have all your cores covered and most probrually have speced into most guns so its almost an irrelevance for you as you have nothing else to skill into. in all likelihood you have already had a respec

I (and most of the CPM) are in favor of paid respecs, so long as there are certain restrictions, and that within a period of time (Under debate, but the consensus is mostly around or longer than 6 months) free accounts should get them as well.

Re-specs done well can be a powerful retention tool. Some bring up Eve and the need to have consequences to descisions... but I'd argue that in a F2P environment and in a totally different genre(FPS) many of the "Because Eve" arguments simply are too flawed to be used as valid comparisons.

I personally fully support paid re-specs for the simple reason of : CCP needs ways to make money that aren't obtrusive to the actual gameplay. Without purchase options like this... the temptation (and almost /need/) to delve into P2W is too great, and we'd be at risk of CCP throwing out some pretty ugly and offensive microtransactions in order to meet their financial goals to support dust long-term.

One could argue that Re-specs allowing FOTM chasing is a bad thing, but I'd argue that anyone who pools their SP waiting for nerfs/buffs leading up to a new build could do the same. Further, I would hope that CCP would be smart enough to learn by now that they need a team entirely dedicated to balance, and that stealing team Kong /every once in a while/ is simply unacceptable and is pretty much the reason that balance is in such a bad state and why horribly OP FOTM's keep cropping up in the first place.

Once CCP gets a dedicated, full-time balance team... FOTM chasing because of relative power will no longer be a thing. (One would hope)

I support paid respecs because at some point Dust 514 project will need to be financially suficient to support itself and it is a move in the right direction that will bring:

a) Replay value to the game
b) Increase the purchase of Aurum
c) Show CCP that Dust can be lucrative and that it is a good idea to develop it further from/out of PS3
d) It would allow CCP to identify unbalanced scenarios as some players might concentrate on a specific build

BUT, there must be a limit of how many times a player is allowed to do a respec per year.

You're missing the important problem here.

No respecs:
New stuff got released? Stuff got Rebalanced so that formerly underutilized stuff is now attractive?

Now's your chance. For once, the Vet is just as screwed as you are. Both of you have to get their new specialization quickly to get the advantage. Either can win, neither has a headstart (unless SP is reserved, which is a concious decision and not easily doably for everyone who isn't way above the "proto" threshold of his primary class.

Your earlier mistakes are quickly overcome and significant balance shifts can negate their negative consequences altoger, maybe even turn out usefull when those earlier mistakes happen to be part of the new plan.

Respecs:
New stuff got released? Stuff got Rebalanced so that formerly underutilized stuff is now attractive?

Now you can switch from one underskilled role to another without any second thought... and be still weaker than the vet who can and will do the same, except that he's still/again proto ready while you're not. You have already lost and will keep losing until you reach the "max any given role" level.

You can correct your mistakes and squeeze a few % out of your fit but so can the vet. If the new gear of interest happens to be more SP intensive than the previous then you are screwed even more as a few more mil SP don't make a difference for vets. But for you they could mean weeks, months of playing.

Not even mentioning the p2w implications. No need to.

Mac is right btw. This subject is dead. Really....really... dead.

Use the search function For my name and Cross Atu aswell for some more insight on this.

Edit: The term FOTM is simply not fitting here, changed.

personally i believe that

A) vets had a respec so they could put the focus on SP from their learning experience of what suits them, all those wasted SP were re invested to make their toons stronger.

b)a new/newer player has a lot more to worry about than just what is FOTM suit or gun wise. they have a lot more core skills which need to be invested in. saying that it becomes a level playing field is just wrong on so many levels. at my current level i am putting probably about 75% of my SP's into passive skills + mods and then the remaining 25% i spoil myself on guns and suits. if you have maxed out your cores and some suits and guns you will be able to stockpile SP's - if you haven't you can put 100% of your SP's into that item vs a much lower % for the newer player.

you have your perspective - also you have had a respec in the past. if i do not agree with your view point then it does not make make wrong.

I like Malkai Inos . Your point of view makes since . Truthfully he is not a vet like you keep stating either . That person said that they are at 8 million SP's . I am at 5 million and I have only been playing almost 3 months . Your views are the type that will help this game make it to the next level and your evaluation skills are great as well . Keep up the good work .

I can tell that the person who wrote this thread is relatively new by the language that they use . If you placed you skill points into something that now you deem as being un necessary then , that's your fault . Don't try to change the rules to suit your fancy . You are not different than most who are new and are trying to get a feel for Dust 514 and are trying to find where they can excel . I was once where you are but didn't come up with a scheme to try and recoup what I used . Those who come up with and tend to use underhanded methods always end up underneath the bottom in the end .


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I specced into AR's because there was no Caldari weapon out. I want my points back for Rail Rifles. Is that really so wrong?

Also, make Full Respecs expensive and Partials cheaper. that would help a lot.

I specced into AR's because there was no Caldari weapon out. I want my points back for Rail Rifles. Is that really so wrong[...]

I bet you will still use those same AR's won't you ???? That is wrong . Like in life there is no do overs , live with your decision . That's what adults do . Now if you are like these people who think that you are suppose to get a respect for everything now .. you are a classless hack . Skill points will be semi recompensed for vehicles because the skill tree is changing and for no other reason . Why keep a person's skill points locked up for a skill that isn't there anymore ??? I will do the same being Caldari and also being Caldari you should have SOME type of business since and a code of fairness if you are a good businessperson .

I have placed most of my skill points into vehicles . I have most of the mods and the core skills , also prototype turrets . There will be skill points that I won't get back and I just have to deal with that . I'm not using vehicles anymore because I just don't agree with a lot of the changes from 1.7 . Reading these posts help that also , seeing the fact that a lot of tank users don't like people riding with them and that's just flat out silly but to each is their own .

In life you win some and you loose some . That's the beauty of it and the fact that you still land on your feet and if you have half a brain and use it for something productive then nine times out of ten you will be alright . Some of the best people in history have gone threw trials and tribulations ... why should you be any different ??? Now do you want to make a difference or be like most and contrive excuses ????

I use a Toxin AR most of the time. If I had the points I have in AR's back, (Op 5, Prof 2, rapid reload 5 Ammo cap 2) I'd put them in RAIL RIFLES. I see it as: Until the racial variants of EVERYTHING comes out, we should get respecs, after, game on.

I'm getting 2 Mil SP's back after 1.7, I just think those AR points are wasted, nothing more.

No.



Just NO.







I have already given more than enough reasons why. I said it so many times that a simple search of the forums will show you my reasons for hating this idea.

Yes, that is the problem, isn't it? If I had the choice, I'd trade my Toxin AR for a Toxin RR. And all of that. No, I'm not greedy, if I was, I wouldn't have the Toxin to begin with. ANd I wouldn't be CalLogi, either. I specced into it AFTER the nerf, so it was a conscious choice. How about this, CCP: Make BPO's tradeable, that would get rid of this person's problem with my Toxin. I'll just get a Toxin SMG (which I WILL invest into, because I want to.)

About the updates, I didn't come back onto the Forums for a week and a half after returning to Dust. It was a mistake and I regret it, seeing as I have nearly 2Mil SP's in AR's that I might never get back.

EDIT: I only invested so deeply into AR's because that was what was required for Rapid Reload. I literally got the bare minimum for that. Then it was changed.

I bet you will still use those same AR's won't you? That is wrong. Like in life there is no do overs, live with your decision. That's what adults do. Now if you are like these people who think that you are suppose to get a respec for everything now. you are a classless hack. Skill points will be semi recompensed for vehicles because the skill tree is changing and for no other reason. Why keep a person's skill points locked up for a skill that isn't there anymore? I will do the same ( spec into the newer weapons ) being Caldari and also being Caldari you should have SOME type of business since and a code of fairness if you are a good businessperson.

I have placed most of my skill points into vehicles. I have most of the mods and the core skills, also prototype turrets. There will be skill points that I won't get back and I just have to deal with that. I'm not using vehicles anymore because I just don't agree with a lot of the changes from 1.7. Reading these posts help that also, seeing the fact that a lot of tank users don't like people riding with them and that's just flat out silly but to each is their own.

In life you win some and you loose some. That's the beauty of it and the fact that you still land on your feet and if you have half a brain and use it for something productive then nine times out of ten you will be alright. Some of the best people in history have gone threw trials and tribulations ... why should you be any different? Now do you want to make a difference or be like most and contrive excuses?

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judging by your likes, your obvious a vet. you have all your cores covered and most probrually have speced into most guns so its almost an irrelevance for you as you have nothing else to skill into. in all likelihood you have already had a respec

I just said that Toxin's are great guns so where is the problem ???? I didn't even need or want to say that Toxin's can't be returned so that makes it even more of a question . Not only don't you want to use AR's you bought a pack with an AR that is permanently yours . You don't have to explain to me anything . I love toxin's and since you don't want the ones that you have I wish I could take them off of your hands . For them not to be a upper tier AR they are devastating .

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A)That is true but most of those vets have long surpassed the point at which this would have made any difference. Some should have maxed a good portion of their second profession by now. It doesn't explain why a single respec, say 1-3 months after the first login or after 2-5m SP spent wouldn't alleviate this just as well if the learning is the main issue here.

B)Core skills actually eluded my mind for a moment so that's a very good point. The thing, though, is that as stated in A) Those who have been around to get a respec should have at least 20m+ by now anyway. Their core skills are maxed because they've played for almost half a year now, not because they could regain a few weeks worth of SP through those respecs. Desired mods can change over time aswell ( reppers/rechargers with low TTK ) so once you got those core skills reasonably high, my example starts to apply again..

Also, i think that the passive tree should be put under some intensive scrutiny before thinking about circumventing the SP system. In fact: In EVE, i can use mods that are 5-15% weaker if i lack just a little pg/cpu. In dust i lose 50% outright or invest weeks of SP for just 1% more pg. In EVE there's a fallacy i refer to as the "all V argument", meaning that you supposedly need all relevant skills maxed to compete anywhere, which is rarely true - up there. I'd agree that it's not so much of a fallacy here and that this might be an issue.

Wouldn't you agree that adding more intermediate module versions that allow you to lessen the loss in performance in tight fits would help a great deal?

To the last part: At no point did a try to come along as a smartass so i apologize if it felt that way. I just think that the skilltree is a very good progression system that ought not to be tempered with,as i think (and tried to argue) most of it's issues caused by it are either limited in duration, fixable by other means or simply part of what it's supposed to do.

There's no point in having the tree in the game when the next thing CCP does is put in mechanics that void it of any tangible consequence.


One last thing. I'm around 8M SP, almost half of which i withheld to be prepared for the new guns and i din't use the optional respec (the release one, i had no choice on and didn't change my general fit at all). Many "anti respec" dudes are in a similar situation.

i think i got all the annoying spacing mistakes. Gets very distracting reading something with so many unneeded spaces all over the place.