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hackerzilla
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Posted - 2013.11.24 21:16:00 -
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Rifles.
Straight and clear.
They don't take skill, semi auto or full auto. They highly benefit from aim-assist. They have lowest TTK. Lower PG and CPU requirements than other weapons. Too much versatility.
Maybe they should be removed?
Maybe they should be nerfed into the ground.
Just think about it in a objective lens;
Shotgun- very close range, very high damage, unforgiving to user miss-use
Laser rifle- very accurate, "snowball" damage, longer rang, more effective vs. shields, less vs. armor.
Mass Driver- AOE, shorter range, benefits from having an uphill advantage, takes a while to reach target, less effective vs. shields, more vs armor.
Assault Rifle- Close to mid range, high ROF, high damage (considering range and ROF), slightly more effective vs. shields, slightly less vs armor, all around amazing weapon, highest TTK in game, easy to use, low recoil, very accurate, high ammo (in comparison to niche weapons)
Scrambler Rifle- very high ROF (spamable), overheat mechanic (not a biggy if you have a medium suit on), extremely high damage, long range, charge-able, higher damage to shields, less to armor, low recoil, easy to use, high ammo count (In comparison to niche weapons)
I'm sure you can spot the outlier...
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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hackerzilla
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Posted - 2013.11.24 21:38:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:SG - Works well, if you're not in a scout
LR - Is an underpowered POS and should not be compared to any other weapon
Mass Driver - Takes little to no aiming, so you are rewarded with lowered performance
AR's, and this is coming straight from CCP, are supposed to be the general purpose bastards that you bring to any engagement you aren't sure what to bring in.
TTK is just too low, way too low.
Stop blaming it on rifles.
What I'm saying is that if there were only "POS" weapons there would be balance because everyone is using a niche gun!
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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hackerzilla
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Posted - 2013.11.24 22:37:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:Cat Merc wrote:SG - Works well, if you're not in a scout
LR - Is an underpowered POS and should not be compared to any other weapon
Mass Driver - Takes little to no aiming, so you are rewarded with lowered performance
AR's, and this is coming straight from CCP, are supposed to be the general purpose bastards that you bring to any engagement you aren't sure what to bring in.
TTK is just too low, way too low.
Stop blaming it on rifles. Its only too low with the rifles, a mass driver will never kill you in less than a second. The difference being that the mass driver round has a 14 metre wide blast zone.
7.2 is the max radius for the proto assault MD than on does like 70 damage splash. Pretty useless, except with fluxs, and even then it isn't close to the militia ARs dps...
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.11.24 22:38:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Let me just leave this here:
Bandwagon:
"You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation.
The flaw in this argument is that the popularity of an idea has absolutely no bearing on its validity.
If it did, then the Earth would have made itself flat for most of history to accommodate this popular belief."
I put an idea out there, if you don't like it, just say so and leave...
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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hackerzilla
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:34:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:hackerzilla wrote:Cat Merc wrote:SG - Works well, if you're not in a scout
LR - Is an underpowered POS and should not be compared to any other weapon
Mass Driver - Takes little to no aiming, so you are rewarded with lowered performance
AR's, and this is coming straight from CCP, are supposed to be the general purpose bastards that you bring to any engagement you aren't sure what to bring in.
TTK is just too low, way too low.
Stop blaming it on rifles. What I'm saying is that if there were only "POS" weapons there would be balance because everyone is using a niche gun! Wow, how misguided/terrible is this logic. We should be striving for a balance that makes all weapons fun to play. We need buffs not nerfs.
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I used quotes for a reason. Because not all guns are POSs, but cat merc said the lazor is a POS, which it isn't, so I used quotes. The rifles are to good compared to all the other guns. So would you rather do buff everything, decreasing TTK, or nerf or remove just a few guns, and increase TTK? If you think a low TTK is good then I am just not going to say anything...
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:42:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
TTK is just too low, way too low.
Stop blaming it on rifles.
Which primary kills faster up-close than an AR or ScR? Which primary kills faster at-range than an AR or ScR? Which primary kills faster from the hip than an AR or ScR? Which primary kills faster when ADS than an AR or ScR? Which primary has benefited more from AA than the AR or ScR? 1) TTK is too low. 2) The AR and ScR are almost entirely to blame. 3) Soon, we'll have two more OP Rifles to complain about. Have a look around. Which primary weapons are people using? The smart merc prefers the all-powerful, all-purpose Rifle. Which primary kills faster up-close than an AR or ScR? - Shotty Which primary kills faster at-range than an AR or ScR? - Sniper Which primary kills faster from the hip than an AR or ScR? - Shotty. Which primary kills faster when ADS than an AR or ScR? - How many weapons NEED to be ADS? Which primary has benefited more from AA than the AR or ScR? - Lazors.
Ok, this is a troll. At first you say the laser is a piece of ****, then you say it benefits the most from AA (which is too high, signifying that it is indeed a good gun, if it even did benefit the most from AA). You also say a sniper has a faster TTK than a ScR and AR a range. Maybe at extreme range, but thats not even an argument because thats out of the rifles' range. You also say the shotty has a faster TTK at close range and at the hip. This is laughable, because it takes skill to use a shotty, which many rifle advocates lack...
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:02:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Beeeees wrote:Every time you say that ScR has no downsides God kills a kitten.
Has one downside, and it's not that bad when you consider how powerful this weapon is. Even with the downside I would say SCR >= AR (They are almost equal, with the balance tipping slightly for the SCR) OH and considerably high fitting requirements. OH makes the ScR a bit tough to use on non Amarr assaults, and the fitting needs make fitting tank mods considerably more difficult. And, it's semiauto. I feel lowering the firecap (max ROF) could be done to reduce effectiveness by turbo controllers, it's a non factor in weapon effectiveness. It only be there for the group with turbos, because I really doubt you guys can spam R1 11 times every second. Even assuming 6 shots a second, a good guess I would think, means a DPS of 540 against shields, but a mere 360 on armor. The charge shot also eats a fair bit of heat, so that combo is really iffy. Miss either the follow ups or the charge, and your liable to OH and be spotted.
You don't need a turbo controller to get the scrambler to some silly ass speeds, compared to other guns...
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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hackerzilla
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Posted - 2013.11.26 20:09:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Beeeees wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
Even with the downside I would say SCR >= AR (They are almost equal, with the balance tipping slightly for the SCR)
This is bullsh!t and you know it. Do I? Because I have both at proficiency IV and it's my favorite gun 
You have prof V in both... no wonder you want them to stay OP....
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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