DUST Search - Those who held off skilling into weapons are screwed by this event

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Many people (my little brother included) have yet to spec into any weapons yet because they don't think a respec is coming, and the weapon they want to spec into is not yet in the game; I think that's what the "no respec" crowd advocates.
Anyway, this latest event (Winter Carnage) rewards you if you only if you have skilled into a weapon (no rewards for kills militia weapons). The rewards get progressively better the higher the tier of the gun, so you have to have prototype weapons to get the ultra-rare Quafe scout suits.

Its not enough that they have to go through playing Dust with low tier weapons, and possibly low tier dropsuits (if they're waiting for the new scouts and heavies) leading to them getting stomped on by those with high tier stuff, but now they miss out on event rewards as well.

If you spec into something you don't really want because what you really want isn't available: "No respecs" even though it wouldn't hurt those who don't need it.

If you save SP and patiently wait for mew suits and weapons to make smart skilling decisions: get stomped on by protosuits, and CCP screws you over with events you can't benefit from.

Anyway, I'm glad my desired suits and weapons are already in the game. I'm lucky.

Pilots who put all their SP into their vehicles are also screwed.

To anyone who makes the ridiculous claims "Events can't benefits everyone", I call BS

Everyone benefits from more SP

Everyone benefits from the FW rewards; even if they didn't spec into that faction's gear, they can still sell it in the future when player trading becomes an option.

Everyone could benefit from the first victory bonus event

Everyone could benefit from the latest Black Eagle event

Yup, BS

Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7209	Posted - 2013.11.24 06:39:00 - [1] - Quote Many people (my little brother included) have yet to spec into any weapons yet because they don't think a respec is coming, and the weapon they want to spec into is not yet in the game; I think that's what the "no respec" crowd advocates. Anyway, this latest event (Winter Carnage) rewards you if you only if you have skilled into a weapon (no rewards for kills militia weapons). The rewards get progressively better the higher the tier of the gun, so you have to have prototype weapons to get the ultra-rare Quafe scout suits. Its not enough that they have to go through playing Dust with low tier weapons, and possibly low tier dropsuits (if they're waiting for the new scouts and heavies) leading to them getting stomped on by those with high tier stuff, but now they miss out on event rewards as well. If you spec into something you don't really want because what you really want isn't available: "No respecs" even though it wouldn't hurt those who don't need it. If you save SP and patiently wait for mew suits and weapons to make smart skilling decisions: get stomped on by protosuits, and CCP screws you over with events you can't benefit from. Anyway, I'm glad my desired suits and weapons are already in the game. I'm lucky. EDIT: Pilots who put all their SP into their vehicles are also screwed. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Lanius Pulvis Bojo's School of the Trades 65	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:06:00 - [2] - Quote You can please some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time... We just have to accept that not every event will work for every person. Did the triple SP event work for you? What about the FW rewards last month? There are too many play styles and combinations to cater to them all at once, sooner or later there'll be one seemingly tailor made for you, or your brother. Not new, just new to you.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T EoN. 55	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:06:00 - [3] - Quote Go into level 3 of your favorite militia weapon. Or, try doing just the tip and pick up some geks for running an exile. Just the tip only costs ya 12k...come on, you can spare that!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7209	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:14:00 - [4] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: You can please some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time... We just have to accept that not every event will work for every person. Did the triple SP event work for you? What about the FW rewards last month? There are too many play styles and combinations to cater to them all at once, sooner or later there'll be one seemingly tailor made for you, or your brother. Everyone benefits from more SP Everyone benefits from the FW rewards; even if they didn't spec into that faction's gear, they can still sell it in the future when player trading becomes an option. Blind Nojoy wrote: Go into level 3 of your favorite militia weapon. Or, try doing just the tip and pick up some geks for running an exile. Just the tip only costs ya 12k...come on, you can spare that! Not everyone has exiles or other BPOs, and still can't get the sweet rare Quafe suits without prototype tier. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1871	Posted - 2013.11.24 07:19:00 - [5] - Quote Well, some things catered to certain level of players at various times. Not everybody can sit at the front of the class. That's life.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution 1768	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:38:00 - [6] - Quote Bump That's Master nader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
Liner ReXiandra Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance 92	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:41:00 - [7] - Quote By the time CCP included all the basic racial versions of the rifles/smgs/pistols/launchers/blades, it'll be well into 2015. Might as well skill into something you dislike.
Oswald Rehnquist 662	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:48:00 - [8] - Quote I am in your brother's shoes with holding off as I currently have over 25% of my sp still on hold. But two weeks of passives and minimal play can get you an advance weapon, its not life or death, the same argument can be have that favors certain weapons over others, particularly those that can generate a high body count, which we know is not equal among weapons. So that argument alone is not justification for a respec in my opinion, its tough to be on hold, but again, not life or death here, this doesn't make respecs necessary. Below 28 dB
Badonk Adonk Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 42	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:58:00 - [9] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Well, some things catered to certain level of players at various times. Not everybody can sit at the front of the class. That's life. You have multi tasking refined. Sucking *** whilst talking **? Bravo.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 489	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:08:00 - [10] - Quote I am a little miffed that the event is *before* the release of the new weapons. I am also annoyed that I skilled into lvl 3 AR on my Mid frame alt and lvl 4 on my main (for the burst, seeing as its the closest to CR at present so I could get a feel for it) just to stay alive longer. I hate the GEK, and I hate the Duvolle even more, Why would I want more? So I've been avoiding it... and dying a lot My fav weapons at present are ASMG and knives, excluding me from half the map options. (Thinking of Manus 'Sniper' Peak ) Also I can't earn M209's from using a basic On the plus side my Heavy alt is going to be tooled up to the nines after the event! "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10610	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:12:00 - [11] - Quote If I had prototype level weapons already, Id be using advanced guns this week :D CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 900	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:15:00 - [12] - Quote I entered the event thinking people would put up a decent fight against the squads I join and myself. All I got was us redlining Caldari every game I took part in and backhanding the Amarr into constant spawn traps. I'm strongly disappointed and feel I put too much hope into people, so now I'm just loling around with my advanced HMG. Sigh. At least I got easy Quafe suits from this at least. Now to let my proto gear (once again) gather rust and dust in the hope of the future. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10610	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:17:00 - [13] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I entered the event thinking people would put up a decent fight against the squads I join and myself. All I got was us redlining Caldari every game I took part in and backhanding the Amarr into constant spawn traps. I'm strongly disappointed and feel I put too much hope into people, so now I'm just loling around with my advanced HMG. Sigh. At least I got easy Quafe suits from this at least. Now to let my proto gear (once again) gather rust and dust in the hope of the future. Tell be about it, my crap fit soma blew through three tanks today in a single match... CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Scheherazade VII 178	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:22:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Many people (my little brother included) have yet to spec into any weapons yet because they don't think a respec is coming, and the weapon they want to spec into is not yet in the game; I think that's what the "no respec" crowd advocates. Anyway, this latest event (Winter Carnage) rewards you if you only if you have skilled into a weapon (no rewards for kills militia weapons). The rewards get progressively better the higher the tier of the gun, so you have to have prototype weapons to get the ultra-rare Quafe scout suits. Its not enough that they have to go through playing Dust with low tier weapons, and possibly low tier dropsuits (if they're waiting for the new scouts and heavies) leading to them getting stomped on by those with high tier stuff, but now they miss out on event rewards as well. If you spec into something you don't really want because what you really want isn't available: "No respecs" even though it wouldn't hurt those who don't need it. If you save SP and patiently wait for mew suits and weapons to make smart skilling decisions: get stomped on by protosuits, and CCP screws you over with events you can't benefit from. Anyway, I'm glad my desired suits and weapons are already in the game. I'm lucky. EDIT: Pilots who put all their SP into their vehicles are also screwed. Dude it's just like banking, saving gets you nothing, you get penalised for saving money, same for SP. Apply real-world economics and ummm... OK I guess it is a video game. And I can't hold onto SP to save my life! GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Talnoy79 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 0	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:33:00 - [15] - Quote "My little brother hasn't skilled into a weapon because he's not getting a respec, therefore this event is unfair to people that only have militia weapons", sorry that's all I got from the first post. OP are you serious, you just get 3 events in one month from CCP and you still moan because you're little brother hasn't skilled his dumb ass into a weapon yet. HTFU pls. Peace out Tal.
Jason Pearson 3128	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:34:00 - [16] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Well, some things catered to certain level of players at various times. Not everybody can sit at the front of the class. That's life. I had a lecture with one row, in a semi circle. Yes, yes you can. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Argent Mordred DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:50:00 - [17] - Quote The quafe suits are scouts, right? So why does it matter when they aren't much good any ways? Also, they could just not do these gimmicks if you prefer.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7211	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:52:00 - [18] - Quote Argent Mordred wrote: The quafe suits are scouts, right? So why does it matter when they aren't much good any ways? Also, they could just not do these gimmicks if you prefer. When player trading arrives, they will be a very valuable commodity because of rarity and color scheme. Scouts may not be very good now, but it won't always be that way. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1549	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:56:00 - [19] - Quote Don't feel bad, I've been waiting for a hybrid sidearm since 1.0, but I finally broke down and spec-ed into a SMG. once we get the MagSec and Ion pistol my SMG points will be wasted, but I needed a reliable sidearm so I choose to use the SP. I put my scout suit away for this week and dusted off the old Assault/AR combo so I can get me some of them there pink suits.
Robocop Junior Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:02:00 - [20] - Quote Wish they had an event where the forums would be offline for a month.

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 668	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:09:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Many people (my little brother included) have yet to spec into any weapons yet because they don't think a respec is coming, and the weapon they want to spec into is not yet in the game; I think that's what the "no respec" crowd advocates. Anyway, this latest event (Winter Carnage) rewards you if you only if you have skilled into a weapon (no rewards for kills militia weapons). The rewards get progressively better the higher the tier of the gun, so you have to have prototype weapons to get the ultra-rare Quafe scout suits. Its not enough that they have to go through playing Dust with low tier weapons, and possibly low tier dropsuits (if they're waiting for the new scouts and heavies) leading to them getting stomped on by those with high tier stuff, but now they miss out on event rewards as well. If you spec into something you don't really want because what you really want isn't available: "No respecs" even though it wouldn't hurt those who don't need it. If you save SP and patiently wait for mew suits and weapons to make smart skilling decisions: get stomped on by protosuits, and CCP screws you over with events you can't benefit from. Anyway, I'm glad my desired suits and weapons are already in the game. I'm lucky. Pilots who put all their SP into their vehicles are also screwed. To anyone who makes the ridiculous claims "Events can't benefits everyone", I call BS Everyone benefits from more SP Everyone benefits from the FW rewards; even if they didn't spec into that faction's gear, they can still sell it in the future when player trading becomes an option. Everyone could benefit from the first victory bonus event Everyone could benefit from the latest Black Eagle event Yup, BS Dunno, seems like they would not even want those rewards from the event. If they dont like AR what's the point of getting proto ARs that they would never skill into. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7212	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:10:00 - [22] - Quote Talnoy79 wrote: "My little brother hasn't skilled into a weapon because he's not getting a respec, therefore this event is unfair to people that only have militia weapons", sorry that's all I got from the first post. OP are you serious, you just get 3 events in one month from CCP and you still moan because you're little brother hasn't skilled his dumb ass into a weapon yet. HTFU pls. Peace out Tal. I hate idiots like you using "HTFU" incorrectly as if its a valid argument. HTFU is something you say when someone can't handle the sandbox and cut-throat nature of the EVE universe, not something you spout like an idiot whenever someone says something you don't agree with. I remember seeing people like you even use "HTFU" to somehow defend default spawning in ambush in front of groups of enemies. "HTFU" is not an excuse for bad design. When the hell did patience and spending skill points wisely become being a "dumb ass"? If he spent his SP into the AR for example, and turns out he prefers the combat rifle and never uses the AR again, then its like he wasted that SP because he can now never get it back. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 461	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:14:00 - [23] - Quote If you dont like any of the weapons it doesnt matter to you anyway. If you like one but are waiting for others then just spend 136k so you can get free proto of that weapon. 136k is a couple days of play for even the most average of player. There are issues to criticize CCP on but this isnt one of them.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7212	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:27:00 - [24] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: If you dont like any of the weapons it doesnt matter to you anyway. If you like one but are waiting for others then just spend 136k so you can get free proto of that weapon. 136k is a couple days of play for even the most average of player. There are issues to criticize CCP on but this isnt one of them. QUAFE SUITS! Its not just about the weapons. Also, even if you don't want a particular weapon reward, you could still benefitt from it by selling it in the future when the player market is here. I'm not saying they should give everyone rewards with weapons they don't want, I'm saying they shouldn't have done this event. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Lanius Pulvis Bojo's School of the Trades 70	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:53:00 - [25] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Everyone benefits from more SP Everyone benefits from the FW rewards; even if they didn't spec into that faction's gear, they can still sell it in the future when player trading becomes an option. An argument could be made that the FW event was unfair to those of us who can't spend 8 hours a week grinding to win a certain percentage. I know I certainly didn't benefit from that...but not every event will work for me, I know this and so should you. CCP needs our feedback to help make events that work for everyone, so I hope you've posted this in the Feedback channel along with coherent suggestions on how to improve future special events. As a side note, if absolutely none of the current weapons are good enough to invest in, what makes your brother think the new ones will be worth it? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just something to think about... Not new, just new to you.


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