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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:03:00 -
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Since being angry about Lag in PC has given me nothing apart from a very unpleasant headache I decided to try to be constructive about the issue, in this thread I will try to keep a discussion going about possible issues, causes, remedies, fixes, reports, findings, testings, and general observations any one can offer so we can hopefully help CCP absolve the issue.
This is what I have so far:
Steps to remedy: - Restart before PC game (Doesn't Help anymore) - switch to wired connection and ensure connection is free and not backed up (Helps, but barely) - Defragment PS3 (People claim it aids in better performance, but it is minimal at best) - Delete Dust514 Save file (Doesn't Help) - Reinstall Dust514 (Doesn't Help) - Do a rain dance in your backyard wearing nothing but a loincloth in the dead of winter (Testing to be completed soon, Results TBD) - Hard reset of PS3 when already deployed in warbarge (Shown to be effective, further testing required)
Potential Causes: - Equipment Spam (Rampant in PC, if you dont spam you dont win) - EVE Support (Have noticed more Lag in games where either side has EVE support) - Explosive Spam (Rampant in PC, if you dont spam you dont win) - Having a mix of EU/NA/Asia server players - Transitioning between city and outside objectives (When in a PC and you continuously move in and out of the city area it will cause game breaking lag coupled with almost immediate framerate drop - the only duplicatable bug that I have personally tested)
Please add anything else you can think of regarding the issue here
As usual please keep it constructive, you know the deal.
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:43:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Since being angry about Lag in PC has given me nothing apart from a very unpleasant headache I decided to try to be constructive about the issue, in this thread I will try to keep a discussion going about possible issues, causes, remedies, fixes, reports, findings, testings, and general observations any one can offer so we can hopefully help CCP absolve the issue.
This is what I have so far:
Steps to remedy: - Restart before PC game (Doesn't Help anymore) - switch to wired connection and ensure connection is free and not backed up (Helps, but barely) - Defragment PS3 (People claim it aids in better performance, but it is minimal at best) - Delete Dust514 Save file (Doesn't Help) - Reinstall Dust514 (Doesn't Help) - Do a rain dance in your backyard wearing nothing but a loincloth in the dead of winter (Testing to be completed soon, Results TBD) - Hard reset of PS3 when already deployed in warbarge (Shown to be effective, further testing required)
Potential Causes: - Equipment Spam (Rampant in PC, if you dont spam you dont win) - EVE Support (Have noticed more Lag in games where either side has EVE support) - Explosive Spam (Rampant in PC, if you dont spam you dont win) - Having a mix of EU/NA/Asia server players - Transitioning between city and outside objectives (When in a PC and you continuously move in and out of the city area it will cause game breaking lag coupled with almost immediate framerate drop - the only duplicatable bug that I have personally tested)
Please add anything else you can think of regarding the issue here
As usual please keep it constructive, you know the deal.
i think equipment might be part of the problem because when ever i lag in a pc its generally where the most equipment is placed i.e. one time on a 5 point map with two points inside the city i was inside the city where equipment was spammed the lag was pretty bad then i had to go to an objective outside the city where there was equipment but not as much and the lag seemed to stop. one more thing are OH and AE having PC matches for fun maybe you guys can try to put a limit on the equipment used in them to see if thats a problem. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX. Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:46:00 -
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Ok so i wrote a post about this earlier (kind of). here's the link but id rather discuss what it has to do with your post.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1526022#post1526022
TL:DR What i think is the Bubble glitch is one of the reason of lag in pc! People used to mute everyone except for their squad and squad leaders would keep each other un-muted. we can't do that now that the bubble glitch exists The past Dev blog also told us that everyone using voice at the same time was also the cause of PC Lag, fixing the Bubble glitch would reduce PC lag.!
Just the tip?
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Patrick57
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:48:00 -
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I'm sorry you had to deal with the lag.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX. Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:50:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!.
Of topic but goddammit that sig always gets me.
Just the tip?
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The Baby Shaker
Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:53:00 -
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Keeping chat rooms to a minimum preload all fits in warbage helps spawn quicker at the very start of game sometimes leaving match and rejoining helps me out, but useless if its not your corp lol playing on standard definition tv instead of Hd really helps reduce framerate issues Ive noticed I shoot rubber bullets and throw water ballons when my girl watches netflix on her tablet( also seems to mess with timer on grenades and adds a couple more seconds before detonating) It also seems like the PlayStation notifications will increase frame rate issues
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Patrick57
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
1685
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:56:00 -
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The Baby Shaker wrote:Keeping chat rooms to a minimum preload all fits in warbage helps spawn quicker at the very start of game sometimes leaving match and rejoining helps me out, but useless if its not your corp lol playing on standard definition tv instead of Hd really helps reduce framerate issues Ive noticed I shoot rubber bullets and throw water ballons when my girl watches netflix on her tablet( also seems to mess with timer on grenades and adds a couple more seconds before detonating) It also seems like the PlayStation notifications will increase frame rate issues
Have fun playing 0uter.Heaven later. I'll make sure CatDog kills you as much as possible
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals EoN.
229
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:59:00 -
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It's equipment spam. If you have EVE support try using a Caldari orbital strike on a hot spot that might reduce lag (this strike destroys all equipment in I believe a 100m radius).
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
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Patrick57
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:01:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:It's equipment spam. If you have EVE support try using a Caldari orbital strike on a hot spot that might reduce lag (this strike destroys all equipment in I believe a 100m radius). ooooooooh but then it would destroy friendly equipment, no? Friendly Fire is on, right??
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
547
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:03:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Since being angry about Lag in PC has given me nothing apart from a very unpleasant headache I decided to try to be constructive about the issue, in this thread I will try to keep a discussion going about possible issues, causes, remedies, fixes, reports, findings, testings, and general observations any one can offer so we can hopefully help CCP absolve the issue.
This is what I have so far:
Steps to remedy: - Restart before PC game (Doesn't Help anymore) - switch to wired connection and ensure connection is free and not backed up (Helps, but barely) - Defragment PS3 (People claim it aids in better performance, but it is minimal at best) - Delete Dust514 Save file (Doesn't Help) - Reinstall Dust514 (Doesn't Help) - Do a rain dance in your backyard wearing nothing but a loincloth in the dead of winter (Testing to be completed soon, Results TBD) - Hard reset of PS3 when already deployed in warbarge (Shown to be effective, further testing required)
Potential Causes: - Equipment Spam (Rampant in PC, if you dont spam you dont win) - EVE Support (Have noticed more Lag in games where either side has EVE support) - Explosive Spam (Rampant in PC, if you dont spam you dont win) - Having a mix of EU/NA/Asia server players - Transitioning between city and outside objectives (When in a PC and you continuously move in and out of the city area it will cause game breaking lag coupled with almost immediate framerate drop - the only duplicatable bug that I have personally tested)
Please add anything else you can think of regarding the issue here
As usual please keep it constructive, you know the deal.
i think equipment might be part of the problem because when ever i lag in a pc its generally where the most equipment is placed i.e. one time on a 5 point map with two points inside the city i was inside the city where equipment was spammed the lag was pretty bad then i had to go to an objective outside the city where there was equipment but not as much and the lag seemed to stop. one more thing are OH and AE having PC matches for fun maybe you guys can try to put a limit on the equipment used in them to see if thats a problem.
This is a wonderful Idea and I have thought about doing this before, I do want to do some controlled testing and if AE was up to it we could try to make PC work like private servers; but this requires the participation of every member of the battle so I'll try to get with the other directors to see if we can do something like this.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
548
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:10:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Ok so i wrote a post about this earlier (kind of). here's the link but id rather discuss what it has to do with your post. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1526022#post1526022TL:DR What i think is the Bubble glitch is one of the reason of lag in pc! People used to mute everyone except for their squad and squad leaders would keep each other un-muted. we can't do that now that the bubble glitch exists The past Dev blog also told us that everyone using voice at the same time was also the cause of PC Lag, fixing the Bubble glitch would reduce PC lag.!
Yes! I remember hearing about this around when uprising 1.0 came out!
This really should be priority fix for CCP
There is no such thing as competitive play when game breaking Lag is a variable in the mix.
Dust could definitely benefit from a comms system akin to MAG. This needs to be prioritized for any FPS game, especially one that is heavily based on team play and tactics
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
5349
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:13:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:It's equipment spam. If you have EVE support try using a Caldari orbital strike on a hot spot that might reduce lag (this strike destroys all equipment in I believe a 100m radius).
The Caldari orbital strike is hybrid based, not EMP. EMP is the Minmatar/projectile orbital.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:15:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:It's equipment spam. If you have EVE support try using a Caldari orbital strike on a hot spot that might reduce lag (this strike destroys all equipment in I believe a 100m radius). ooooooooh but then it would destroy friendly equipment, no? Friendly Fire is on, right?? I assume so, I haven't tried this my corp was just discussing this after an insanely laggy PC and we came to the conclusion that it was the Equipment. This is because we hadn't lagged the first battle when there wasn't as much equipment spam but when they brought in experienced ringers the lag greatly increased as well as the number of equipment. This was a recommended solution, we will be attacking again shortly so if we employ this tactic I'll tell you if it worked in a couple of days.
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals EoN.
230
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:It's equipment spam. If you have EVE support try using a Caldari orbital strike on a hot spot that might reduce lag (this strike destroys all equipment in I believe a 100m radius). The Caldari orbital strike is hybrid based, not EMP. EMP is the Minmatar/projectile orbital. I thought the Minmatar did not have an orbital.
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
548
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:17:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:It's equipment spam. If you have EVE support try using a Caldari orbital strike on a hot spot that might reduce lag (this strike destroys all equipment in I believe a 100m radius). ooooooooh but then it would destroy friendly equipment, no? Friendly Fire is on, right?? I assume so, I haven't tried this my corp was just discussing this after an insanely laggy PC and we came to the conclusion that it was the Equipment. This is because we hadn't lagged the first battle when there wasn't as much equipment spam but when they brought in experienced ringers the lag greatly increased as well as the number of equipment. This was a recommended solution, we will be attacking again shortly so if we employ this tactic I'll tell you if it worked in a couple of days.
Yes please, post back with the results of your findings. That way CCP can acquire as much information regarding this as possible.
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
560
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:34:00 -
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bump
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m twiggz
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:49:00 -
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I've found that turning the graphics/textures down helps in PC quite a bit. Occasionally I'll still lag in areas with high volume of equipment and explosions, but not nearly as bad as having all graphics settings on high. |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:08:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:I've found that turning the graphics/textures down helps in PC quite a bit. Occasionally I'll still lag in areas with high volume of equipment and explosions, but not nearly as bad as having all graphics settings on high.
Are you saying the in-game graphics setting? I've heard people say that it doesn't do much but I will try it too
Other people have changed the systems resolution settings down to 480 or 520? Im not sure, but I've tried it and it really destroys how the game looks, despite making it run a lot smoother
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Jeanne D'Arc IV
Astroya Guard
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:13:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:bump It is equipment, when too much logi drop way too much equipment that can be happen even in pub |
m twiggz
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:30:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:m twiggz wrote:I've found that turning the graphics/textures down helps in PC quite a bit. Occasionally I'll still lag in areas with high volume of equipment and explosions, but not nearly as bad as having all graphics settings on high. Are you saying the in-game graphics setting? I've heard people say that it doesn't do much but I will try it too Other people have changed the systems resolution settings down to 480 or 520? Im not sure, but I've tried it and it really destroys how the game looks, despite making it run a lot smoother Yes the in-game graphics settings. You're right it doesn't make too much of a difference but anything that helps a little is better than nothing. Nothing is worse than putting a full clip into someone then they warp 20 meters away with no health taken away
I've messed with my resolution settings also but found it more difficult to adjust to the differences. At this point I turn off anything connected to the internet when playing in PC. Probably doesn't make a difference, but it makes me feel better... |
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Cody Sietz
Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.24 19:32:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Patrick57 wrote:When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!. Of topic but goddammit that sig always gets me. I have to agree. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2013.11.24 21:26:00 -
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Jeanne D'Arc IV wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:bump It is equipment, when too much logi drop way too much equipment that can be happen even in pub I believe there are other factors that affect the major lag and terrible frame rate issues.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:00:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Jeanne D'Arc IV wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:bump It is equipment, when too much logi drop way too much equipment that can be happen even in pub I believe there are other factors that affect the major lag and terrible frame rate issues.
Care to elaborate on your thoughts?
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:11:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Jeanne D'Arc IV wrote:1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:bump It is equipment, when too much logi drop way too much equipment that can be happen even in pub I believe there are other factors that affect the major lag and terrible frame rate issues. Care to elaborate on your thoughts? Nope, idk about the technical stuff Just disregard my opinion as unnecessary and meaningless.
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:01:00 -
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Updated OP with link to thread showing Video of Lag in PC
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:02:00 -
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Cross reply from another thread. Before and after Example |
xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
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Posted - 2013.11.26 05:18:00 -
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Free Bump and +1 for trying to keep every PC related problem in one thread.
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TEXA5 HiTM4N
ROGUE SPADES
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:10:00 -
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I am adding another video to this thread
more pc lag. VIDEO
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:12:00 -
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TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote:I am adding another video to this thread more pc lag. VIDEO
Thank you! More and more threads with this topic has popped up and I am glad, at least then CCP has a bunch of things to read.
Updating OP
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xxwhitedevilxx M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:09:00 -
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bump
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