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KayDidYue wrote:

David Spd wrote:

You must be an EVE player. And you obviously have limited insight (and experience) on free to play games if you're lecturing me like that. Happy players bring more money. EVE is an anomaly in the gaming business, and nobody outside seems to understand how it has managed like it has. CCP seems just as surprised it survived so long and sustains itself.

You can't treat Dust like EVE. You can't appeal to a bunch of middle-aged people (or older) with a disposable income and not a lot of time and expect to get the same results on a console in the first person shooter genre.

And the only reason the game is so buggy is because CCP chose to build a revolutionary game on a ten year old machine that is no longer growing or improving, unlike PC which is constantly getting better. That's the only reason. Throwing more money at them isn't going to make the PS3 better. Nor is making players feel obligated to pay monthly for a free game going to make Dust more enjoyable.

Get over yourself. While you're at it, go watch your cable tv, call someone on your cell phone and then make a withdrawl from your bank.

On all these points (about me) you are dead wrong.

1st, I am not an EVE player, and this is the first FPS type game I have played.

As far as "free to play games," no I am a programmer, and do know about these type of games. Now if there are other free to play "online fps" games, then I am not familiar with them. What you may not realize is that it costs to improve things, and it also costs to have something connected to the Internet. How about you pay for the Internet connection and not have some type of compensation for it, other than people possibly paying for certain things that you can offer that is connected to the game.

Maybe "throwing" money at them through a subscription, can make improvements by providing them the means that they can depend on to make said improvements.

And no, I do not have cable tv, just an internet connection, and my cell phone, is just a basic one that costs me for each individual call as I do not have one of there "expensive" plans that I have no interest in paying for but not using.

Of course if you had read the entire posting on this subject you would have known this.

Lastly, I do not have a disposable income. Again, if you had read the previous posts, I am on a limited fixed income so I do have to be careful on what I do purchase.

So your statement "Get over yourself" is thrown right back to you, as it seems that you are the one with an attitude of being full of himself and want things for free and do not want others to have the ability to have a better playing experience via a subscription either!

Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!


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KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 3	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:46:00 - [1] - Quote CCP, you seem to want to be able to bring in funds to help support your existence. You have been doing this by trying to sell items through AUR sales; and while sometimes it seems you have things too expensive, people have been doing this already. Well here is an idea, that I think many would be inclined to except. of course there will be many that will oppose this too, but by allowing someone to have a weapon subscription BPO (sBPO) and a dropsuit of choice (sBPO) while they are paying a monthly subscription, you would be able to pretty much depend on a monthly stipend. While I know that there would be many that would call this a "Pay to Win" as they already do, I have not thought of what you have been doing as such, but rather a "Pay to Advance" system that helps people advance faster. Of course having a monthly subscription system you would have to make it affordable, and you can get an idea of a price by observing what you get with the Plus system that PSN has in operation. So for instance a subscription for 30,000 AUR you get a 30 day active booster and a type of sBPO for a dropsuit of choice and an weapon of choice (including an officer weapon.) If you drop your subscription, you loose these items. If someone still wanted a passive booster, then they would still need to purchase them the same way that is currently in operation. Of course, for those that do not want to pay a monthly subscription, you would still have all the items for sale as is currently in operation, and for those that do not want to pay anything, they still get to play the way they have been playing - by not having to make any purchases. I think that this might be a good option to try to make some (and I think many) people happy, and at the same time, give your project a regular stipend that you could depend on to help you continue your operations. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 5	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:43:00 - [2] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I like it...flexible and gives options to casual and serious players. You can either pay as you go for accelerated SP and some items like now or subscribe for normally purchased items. What do you think the price point should be for this... EVE subscription is about $15 per month in the US, correct? Were you looking at that or something a little less? I think $10-12 per month might work. I don't know how much the PSN Plus costs on the ps3 but that would need to eventually be factored in. I am not sure, that would have to be worked out. For instance, someone just starting couldn't use "Proto" gear, so maybe that would be the lowest priced, and as you advanced, you could upgrade your subscription and thereby upgrade your equipment. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 5	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:44:00 - [3] - Quote God Hates Lags wrote: I like this idea, it's like an all you can eat buffet of weapons. lol... didn't even think of it this way... very funny Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 5	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:39:00 - [4] - Quote calvin b wrote: This would be the final nail in the coffin of this game. I have spent enough on this game and cannot justify spending anymore, so if it did go this way I would leave. Now this I really do not understand, as you would still be able to play the way you have been playing and it would be those that are willing to pay a subscription that would be providing the "free" to other players. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 5	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:42:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CPM been in discussion about enabling a subscription program and what sort of offerings could be made in it, however it shouldn't be 'an exclusive' club to the point subscribers get things the light and freemium buyers cannot obtain. Either way talks are ongoing. This wouldn't either, as of right now people do get "free" officers weapons. This was a suggestion to include an incentive for possibly a premium subscription. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 9	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:54:00 - [6] - Quote David Spd wrote: KayDidYue wrote: calvin b wrote: This would be the final nail in the coffin of this game. I have spent enough on this game and cannot justify spending anymore, so if it did go this way I would leave. Now this I really do not understand, as you would still be able to play the way you have been playing and it would be those that are willing to pay a subscription that would be providing the "free" to other players. Despite "goodwill" free players are an integral part of free to play success. Free & paying players share a symbiotic relationship Paying players' numbers are typically lower than free players in any free to play title. Free players are CONTENT for paying players. Free players are fickle and easily upset. Paying players usually less so. If you anger the free players they leave (yes, "i'm leaving" threads are normally just attention whoring, but players do actually leave without saying anything). Leaving less content for paying players. People paying monthly for a free to play title are typically in it until the end, so as free players leave due to unhappiness the amount of people in a game slowly falls off until there's only a couple hundred (oftentimes less) people playing at any given time. Dust may have solid numbers now but the general happiness level seems quite low right now. There is no guarantee numbers will go up, nor is there guarantee they will go down but the amount of hostility also influences player retention. All of the games I've seen die haven't done it overnight and it sometimes takes years for a game to finally shut down, but if free players (or "one time customers) are constantly disgruntled then it's just a matter of time. Actually, the numbers aren't solid right now. Eve players are agitated that the numbers are so low, and also that the quality of the players (which include their attitude) are very low compared to what they where told the numbers would be. If you are looking at the numbers when you are logging in, don't think that that is the number of DUST players, because that is not the number of dust only players. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 9	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:03:00 - [7] - Quote David Spd wrote: Even more reason for CCP to tread VERY lightly then. Oh I do agree with this, as it should be well discussed; which IMHO the discussion should be include the entire community as I believe that if left to them alone, it could be the straw that breaks... Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 9	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:23:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: KayDidYue wrote: David Spd wrote: Even more reason for CCP to tread VERY lightly then. Oh I do agree with this, as it should be well discussed; which IMHO the discussion should be include the entire community as I believe that if left to them alone, it could be the straw that breaks... Well if you want to talk about what you think a subscription program would look like I am all ears. Personally, I think that a subscription service would give a subscriber something more than what others get - as an incentive and reward for being a subscriber; similar to the PSN Plus system. Furthermore, because of the limitations of the game, there could be a multi-tiered subscription like cable companies and phone companies have, where the higher your plan the more services and options you get for the subscription. As far as being restrictive as to only having that which can be only purchased through the market, as Jaysyn Larrisen mentioned, I would not necessarily agree to this as other subscription services have things that you can't purchase as a "stand-alone" or a "ala-carte" service. I do think that a discount for the Marketplace would be good, but not a 25% discount as Jaysyn said, unless that was on a higher subscription plan. Maybe have it tiered where each tier would have a different discount amount. Right now, I regularly purchase Boosters. So for me a subscription would have to include some type of booster. I also purchase my proto suits and sr rifles to continue playing. I do have my "BPO" suits and equipment, but very seldom do I use these as they do not allow me the abilities to take on others the way I like to take them on in battle. For me, it I could purchase officer weapons, I would - just as I do proto gear. Do I care if I loose my proto gear in a battle? Not really because I just go get some more. While I know some people have difficulty replacing their equipment, I do not seem to have that problem. For me to be a subscriber, the subscription would have to have things that interest me; things that I feel I need. Just as I pay a cable company for the Internet connection, I do not also subscribe to their "TV" service, nor their "telephone" service. Just as I have my cell phone, I only have the basic service, and do not pay for internet service on the phone. So what I am saying here is that for me to pay a subscription, they need to offer me something that makes it worth my while. The same would have to go for DUST. More-over, I do not purchase the PSN Plus system; while they offer many great deals and discounts, none of them interest me. So for this to succeed DUST would need to include things (through different levels, possibly) that people would want to use. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:40:00 - [9] - Quote I'm also curious as to what others think would be needed to make a subscription option more appealing. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:00:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How would you address the red roping? One of my larger issues A quick example would be world of warcraft red rope, new zone opens up, but only if you pay now (and wow has been slowly merging its oldest expansions into basic wow so it fits the condition of red roping.) I think a discount is safe to offer on monthly things. I am not familiar with "red roping" and this being my first fps type of game, I am also not familiar with warcraft, or "wow" other than hearing the name warcraft. So I cannot comment (address) this "issue." Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!

KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:15:00 - [11] - Quote As far as officer weapons, and you claiming that they would not even consider this, is that truth be told, the only thing that I really like and would want is the scope that the thale has; if the ishukone had this scope I would be happy. The scopes on the sr's that I purchase are horrible, as when a target is over a certain distance, the targeting dot is too big. Also, i'm not (personally) that interested in a discount on purchases, as most items that are placed on the market are not worth the purchase price, nor interest me because they have no defining difference from an isk item (other than being able to use it sooner from skilling into an item. But I would be more interested in having my boosters. If they were automatically renewed, that would be of more interest to me - but just this (automated booster renewal) would not be enough for me to go with a subscription. Just a quick example. I wanted the Omega Passive Boster, but they were too much for what you get, so I did not purchase them, and instead, just purchased the regular booster when the one I had running ran out. Something else that might peak my interest: Just as the system only allows you to only have one of your chars to have passive booster active, allow other chars to use a special booster that gives more points. IE 1/2 of what your primary char get with a regular booster, so that rather than 1500, you would get 750. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:19:00 - [12] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: KayDidYue wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CPM been in discussion about enabling a subscription program and what sort of offerings could be made in it, however it shouldn't be 'an exclusive' club to the point subscribers get things the light and freemium buyers cannot obtain. Either way talks are ongoing. This wouldn't either, as of right now people do get "free" officers weapons. This was a suggestion to include an incentive for possibly a premium subscription. hell no, free officer weapons is like furthest thing from most of the cpm's minds, we know how much officer gear sells for in new eden we wouldn't want these things dropping that much more often. The CPM should keep pushing the possibilities of vanity/visual benefits as a path of monetisation. With heavy emphasis on corps and corporate identity (to the point of entire corps posting and acting almost exclusively in-character (grr goons!)) in New Eden i see a potent market for several offerings, such as: Personal and Corpwide custom suit/vehicle paint schemes. Can be made available in tiers e.g.: I) Generic colors from limited pallette II) Above with extended pallete and simple patterns (classic camos, fractals etc.) III) All of the above, alternate material shaders (flat/worn, rusted, carbon, gold) and the ability to paint parts individually for "one of a kind" designs (client performance concerns?). Alliance ads: I)Alliance Banners in PC/FW war barges during selected timezones (open corp info when interacted with) II) Corp/Alliance description on Merc quarter TV Making all of those tradeable items (like PLEX) would allow corp leaders to pay for them through taxes and hopefully alleviate the "who's paying for it?" issue. It keeps those features from being locked behind a solid paywall aswell. To get to the topic CCP could also bundle these with subs: "Mercenary" sub nets one 30day booster and tier I personal colors, Some AUR. "Veteran" sub includes one 30day booster+ tier II personal and tier I corp colors, Some AUR "Elite" sub includes tier III customization and banners (+benefits for corpmates? 1day boosters, even?!). This might be a good idea, for one type of subscription, but not everyone would want this option as a subscription. This might be good as a "In Game" subscription for corporations. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:56:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Okay essentially this. New game feature comes out, but its only available if you pay for it. I guess an example would be in Dust if oh say marketing patch hit, BUT it was only available to subscribers. You are a freenium or low premium player how would you feel about that. That's an example of Red roping and I do not want to see the subscription program lead to that entirely. How would you guys feel that subscribers get a bit more of a bonus for the regular events they participate in? I don't think that would be any different than any other subscription service that is available. It does not bother me that PNS Plus allows someone to play for free, yet I have to pay; so itg would be the same for me in dust. If someone is paying a subscription, and I don't want to pay for the subscription, then it would not b other me if they was able to get something that I can't get. As of now, I don't want to pay the price for passive boosters for extra characters, while someone that does buy them and so they get something that I don't want. To me why complain that someone is getting something that I am not getting if they are willing to pay for that item and I am not willing to pay for that item - be it an extra feature, or something else. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:03:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ... How would you guys feel that subscribers get a bit more of a bonus for the regular events they participate in? As far as "events" and extra bonuses, I had participated in events at one time, but the time, effort and offerings do not carry any weight for me anymore. I do not actively participate in dust events. So if "extra bonuses" were added, it would still not intice me to pay a subscription. They would have to have a lot (and I stress "A LOT") better events and offerings for being a participant than they have done in past events. Even now, with me discussing monthly subscriptions, things would have to either greatly improve, or be very significant for people to be interested in paying for a subscription. Just like for me right now, a subscription that would include what I have purchased (meaning the current boosters available) would not convince me to become a subscriber unless it was what I would call a significant savings over the price that they currently sell for - and even the 15% off the 30 day sale right now is not enough to get me to buy any right now, as I currently have 2 months worth yet, and with my interest in the game waning I wouldn't buy them; I'll wait and pay the regular price if I decide to continue keeping boosters going. I will admit that I have enjoyed the game, but with not being able to count on anything, and the game being increasingly difficult to play with the constant changes and "nerfing" of things that I have purchased then lost (or had changed on me,) would have to change significantly. I will admit that I still have high hopes, but...I don't want to "cry" or call what has been going as "foul." I have been taking this in as much stride as I can, as it is their game, and it is "free" to play. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:05:00 - [15] - Quote Cosmetic? Are you kidding me? Cosmetic options are already causing problems! They have boosted cosmetics to try to make the graphics better, yet these have cause "bugs" as it is right now. As far as subscription, do you have cable tv? or a cell phone? how about a bank? All these have subscriptions and options for those subscriptions. The only way I see for this game to survive and improve is by giving the programmers (and management) a way to earn their "bonuses" and the best way for them to depend on a regular stipend is through subscriptions. Right now, they through out "weekly" deals and hope that enough interest come about to interest people to buy them. I do not "buy" much and most of the time, their offerings are not worth my "real" money. I am retired and on a limited budget. I do not purchase something unless it is something that passives me. The right type of subscription could do that. You want improvements to the game? You want changes? Do you get these from a cable company, or any other company without it costing you? This is a way to help get things done. We need to have this as an "added" option for people, but they have to be willing to give us something worthwhile in return for a commitment from us o give them financial support. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:52:00 - [16] - Quote David Spd wrote: You must be an EVE player. And you obviously have limited insight (and experience) on free to play games if you're lecturing me like that. Happy players bring more money. EVE is an anomaly in the gaming business, and nobody outside seems to understand how it has managed like it has. CCP seems just as surprised it survived so long and sustains itself. You can't treat Dust like EVE. You can't appeal to a bunch of middle-aged people (or older) with a disposable income and not a lot of time and expect to get the same results on a console in the first person shooter genre. And the only reason the game is so buggy is because CCP chose to build a revolutionary game on a ten year old machine that is no longer growing or improving, unlike PC which is constantly getting better. That's the only reason. Throwing more money at them isn't going to make the PS3 better. Nor is making players feel obligated to pay monthly for a free game going to make Dust more enjoyable. Get over yourself. While you're at it, go watch your cable tv, call someone on your cell phone and then make a withdrawl from your bank. On all these points (about me) you are dead wrong. 1st, I am not an EVE player, and this is the first FPS type game I have played. As far as "free to play games," no I am a programmer, and do know about these type of games. Now if there are other free to play "online" games, then I am not familiar with them. What you may not realize is that it costs to improve things, and it also costs to have something connected to the Internet. How about you pay for the Internet connection and not have some type of compensation for it, other than people possibly paying for certain things that you can offer that is connected to the game. Maybe "throwing" money at them through a subscription, can make improvements by providing them the means that they can depend on to make said improvements. And no, I do not have cable tv, just an internet connection, and my cell phone, is just a basic one that costs me for each individual call as I do not have one of there "expensive" plans that I have no interest in paying for but not using. Of course if you had read the entire posting on this subject you would have known this. Lastly, I do not have a disposable income. Again, if you had read the previous posts, I am on a limited fixed income so I do have to be careful on what I do purchase. So your statement "Get over yourself" is thrown right back to you, as it seems that you are the one with an attitude of being full of himself and want things for free and do not want others to have it either! Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:54:00 - [17] - Quote KayDidYue wrote: David Spd wrote: You must be an EVE player. And you obviously have limited insight (and experience) on free to play games if you're lecturing me like that. Happy players bring more money. EVE is an anomaly in the gaming business, and nobody outside seems to understand how it has managed like it has. CCP seems just as surprised it survived so long and sustains itself. You can't treat Dust like EVE. You can't appeal to a bunch of middle-aged people (or older) with a disposable income and not a lot of time and expect to get the same results on a console in the first person shooter genre. And the only reason the game is so buggy is because CCP chose to build a revolutionary game on a ten year old machine that is no longer growing or improving, unlike PC which is constantly getting better. That's the only reason. Throwing more money at them isn't going to make the PS3 better. Nor is making players feel obligated to pay monthly for a free game going to make Dust more enjoyable. Get over yourself. While you're at it, go watch your cable tv, call someone on your cell phone and then make a withdrawl from your bank. On all these points (about me) you are dead wrong. 1st, I am not an EVE player, and this is the first FPS type game I have played. As far as "free to play games," no I am a programmer, and do know about these type of games. Now if there are other free to play "online fps" games, then I am not familiar with them. What you may not realize is that it costs to improve things, and it also costs to have something connected to the Internet. How about you pay for the Internet connection and not have some type of compensation for it, other than people possibly paying for certain things that you can offer that is connected to the game. Maybe "throwing" money at them through a subscription, can make improvements by providing them the means that they can depend on to make said improvements. And no, I do not have cable tv, just an internet connection, and my cell phone, is just a basic one that costs me for each individual call as I do not have one of there "expensive" plans that I have no interest in paying for but not using. Of course if you had read the entire posting on this subject you would have known this. Lastly, I do not have a disposable income. Again, if you had read the previous posts, I am on a limited fixed income so I do have to be careful on what I do purchase. So your statement "Get over yourself" is thrown right back to you, as it seems that you are the one with an attitude of being full of himself and want things for free and do not want others to have the ability to have a better playing experience via a subscription either! Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:05:00 - [18] - Quote Vesago Ghostcore wrote: The game is free to play. This is one of the issues that Eve players have a problem with. They pay a monthly premium to play Eve and support CCP's bottom line, while dust players pay nothing. That said, a lot of Eve players would probably love to see a subscription fee, but that's just not possible for Dust. We already don't have a large enough player base. I think that a possible solution to both issues would be to attach a premium subscription type benefit to dust players that pay for Eve subscriptions. This way, dust is still free, and it could potentially grow both games at the same time. Eve players would have a valid reason for trying, and possibly staying in Dust, and Dust players would have a valid reason for giving Eve a try. It seems like a win win to me, but i'm sure someone will find a flaw in my idea. Have at. V. I somewhat agree with you, but I would not pay unless the subscription gave me something worth while. As of what we have right now, the answer would be "no" to paying for a subscription. But if they gave me something worth paying for, I would. I do like the concept that they have told us they had for this game. I would like to see it continue and to grow, but how can anyone think that (growth and improvement) can happen for free? My suggestion would still keep it free for people, but add extra's for those willing to pay a subscription. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:10:00 - [19] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: Why do you guys want BPOs back so badly? I don't want "BPO's" as they have been so badly. They didn't provide CCP or DUST anything to help them advance anything. My suggestion was a type of BPO that would help them, and at the same time, give people the "BPO" (or at least a type of BPO that they seem to be crying out for. If you want a BPO, then why not give them one, at least for a monthly fee and not for free. Free helps no one but the people that want something (and almost always, more) for nothing. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!
KayDidYue Mercenaries On Duty 10	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:21:00 - [20] - Quote To David Spd: I can understand, and your point is taken, and no you did not offend me so no apology is needed. As for me, I started playing this game, and was enjoying it, but it has been going downhill. I was hoping to bring about a way to possibly get it back to being a fun game. Truthfully, with the time I have put into the game to build up my experience I really don't want to give up on it, but I may have to do this. I do think that this might be a viable option where things could improve the game. That is if finances are the issue. This would also give a more powerful voice to the subscribers on how to improve the game. If they need funds, and get them through subscribers, they need to keep them happy - as it is, they don't have to listen to the players because the players aren't paying for the game. At least not on a regular basis. Male or female, noob or pro, my SR is steady, and my trigger ready. Walk or run, if you're in my scope, you will die!