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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:54:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:2. I don't actually have numbers I base this off all the hate for the aur items on the forums, the fact I hardly ever see aur gear in battle, and conversations with other dust mercs.
3. 5$ is 5$ true but what you get for that 5$ has different values to the buyer. better food tastes better than bad food.
wouldn't you rather spend your 5$ on good food?
2. Then don't assume. It makes an ASS out of U and ME.
3. That's subjective. What's bad food for you is good food for me. I still like McD's.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5279
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:56:00 -
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For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink.
For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:05:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink.
For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries.
but they would be the best damn fries you ever ate...
and if that's what I originally paid for that's what I expect to get.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:14:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:2. I don't actually have numbers I base this off all the hate for the aur items on the forums, the fact I hardly ever see aur gear in battle, and conversations with other dust mercs.
3. 5$ is 5$ true but what you get for that 5$ has different values to the buyer. better food tastes better than bad food.
wouldn't you rather spend your 5$ on good food? 2. Then don't assume. It makes an ASS out of U and ME. 3. That's subjective. What's bad food for you is good food for me. I still like McD's.
2. some things can be inferred by the community reaction.... do you need statistics to know McD's is more popular than Hardee's?
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5280
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:15:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:2. I don't actually have numbers I base this off all the hate for the aur items on the forums, the fact I hardly ever see aur gear in battle, and conversations with other dust mercs.
3. 5$ is 5$ true but what you get for that 5$ has different values to the buyer. better food tastes better than bad food.
wouldn't you rather spend your 5$ on good food? 2. Then don't assume. It makes an ASS out of U and ME. 3. That's subjective. What's bad food for you is good food for me. I still like McD's. 2. some things can be inferred by the community reaction.... do you need statistics to know McD's is more popular than Hardee's?
What's hardee's? Yeah, comes to show how unpopular they are.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5280
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:17:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink.
For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries. but they would be the best damn fries you ever ate... and if that's what I originally paid for that's what I expect to get.
Whole. Meal. With. Drink.
Can't compete with that.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:26:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink.
For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries. but they would be the best damn fries you ever ate... and if that's what I originally paid for that's what I expect to get. Whole. Meal. With. Drink. Can't compete with that.
cheap meat that messes your stomach up and is loaded with sugar and calories....
all filler no content....
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5282
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:31:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink.
For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries. but they would be the best damn fries you ever ate... and if that's what I originally paid for that's what I expect to get. Whole. Meal. With. Drink. Can't compete with that. cheap meat that messes your stomach up and is loaded with sugar and calories.... all filler no content....
Artery Cloggers are worth it, damn it.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink.
For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries. but they would be the best damn fries you ever ate... and if that's what I originally paid for that's what I expect to get. Whole. Meal. With. Drink. Can't compete with that. cheap meat that messes your stomach up and is loaded with sugar and calories.... all filler no content.... Artery Cloggers are worth it, damn it.
lol.... but do you see my point?
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5282
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:34:00 -
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Yes. But my point also still stands. You and I are at a stand still.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5282
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:36:00 -
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I swear, you're one of the very few people I can have a sensible conversation with here on the subject. I can't even get Yelsha to tell me what he said exactly to those consumer rights groups.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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xLuca Brasi
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:37:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Yes. But my point also still stands. You and I are at a stand still.
well at least we reached this impasse civilly.
SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5282
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:38:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Yes. But my point also still stands. You and I are at a stand still. well at least we reached this impasse civilly.
I know, right? No pitchforks. No fight to the death, etc.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
361
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:38:00 -
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How much is 100k aurum in bacon?
Livin' large!
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billy bloodbath2
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.27 05:11:00 -
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I think they should just give us a bpo of the new mod.... if the player base ever grows, such a small amount of people will own them it wont effect the game in any way. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
435
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Posted - 2013.11.27 05:15:00 -
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This wouldn't appease the high SP vets but I would be very happy with an Omega booster pack.
SP is permanent just like BPOs.
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Dheez
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
Public Disorder.
9
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Posted - 2013.11.27 05:26:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:4800 AUR is more than enough for 4 mediocre militia BPOs when a lot of people bought them for 50 AUR. but what about the people who paid 4800 aur for them? while those who paid 50 make a profit, those who paid 4800 don't. isn't that imbalanced? shouldn't the people who paid 4800 aur get like 40k aur (estimated comparable increase from 50 to 4800)? They could be grateful that they're getting a refund and stop being so self entitled? Just a thought. but am I not entitled to what I purchased? to be treated fairly by the seller of that product? is CCP entitled to take money under false pretense? you will say i chose to give them my money, yes I did. and they chose to sell me a bpo. why do they have more right to that bpo than I do to my money?
It's called EULA. |
billy bloodbath2
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.27 20:39:00 -
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Dheez wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:xLuca Brasi wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:4800 AUR is more than enough for 4 mediocre militia BPOs when a lot of people bought them for 50 AUR. but what about the people who paid 4800 aur for them? while those who paid 50 make a profit, those who paid 4800 don't. isn't that imbalanced? shouldn't the people who paid 4800 aur get like 40k aur (estimated comparable increase from 50 to 4800)? They could be grateful that they're getting a refund and stop being so self entitled? Just a thought. but am I not entitled to what I purchased? to be treated fairly by the seller of that product? is CCP entitled to take money under false pretense? you will say i chose to give them my money, yes I did. and they chose to sell me a bpo. why do they have more right to that bpo than I do to my money? It's called EULA.
EULA doesn't allow them to be thieves...
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Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
346
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Posted - 2013.11.27 21:28:00 -
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billy bloodbath2 wrote:
EULA doesn't allow them to be thieves...
Which is why they gave you your aur back.....is this really still an issue? |
Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
48
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Posted - 2013.11.27 22:28:00 -
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xLuca Brasi wrote:so what is good compensation for the bpo removals.
these were useful permanent items.
should we get something useful and permanent?
is 4800 aur fair compensation when a lot of people only paid 50 aur for the item but a lot of others actually paid 4800?
should those who only paid 50 get 50, or should those who paid 4800 get an equal increase in aur complimentary to the increase those who paid 50 are getting?
vanity items? ones that are exclusive to those who had these bpo's that no one else could ever get?
please discuss seriously. add your ideas.
nova knife posed this challenge and i would like a mature discussion.
if you don't have these bpo's or you just want to troll, please refrain from posting.
thanks.
First off, +1 for attempting a good and worthwhile discussion  ... Too bad it degenerated as your other threads 
Second, before I start listing my alternatives (in a attempt to steer this thread in the direction I assume you wanted), I should mention that I regard the current form of BPOs to be totally game-breaking and should not have excited in the first place.
With that said,
1) For BPOs purchased through the in-game store I find Aurum refund perfectly acceptable, even for other BPOs than the 4 vehicle ones that are currently being removed. I don't care if other people might profit from this, since I got what I payed for them back.
2) Optional sell-back: Even if we get to keep the rest of the BPOs unmodified, it will be highly unlikely we ever going to be allowed to trade them freely (as this would totally ruin the economy). So there should be an option to sell your surplus (you only need one of each type, right?) to a NPC for Aurum, ISK or other goods. This way CCP can drain as much as possible of the BPOs away from the market without too much fuss. If you want to keep your 20+ copies, you are allowed to.
3) Convert the BPOs to vanity items, I.e skins to apply to normal suites. These should not change the stats of the suite in any way though. This is not a very good option in my eyes (after thinking about it), since while it's cool to have a unique color scheme, you basically don't get anything as useful in return, but hey, it's permanent
4) Convert the existing BPOs to EVE style, which requires some form of manufacturing. You should be able to produce these for less than the market value, so you could sell them at a profit. However, since most BPOs are militia, I think the existing should be bumped up to advanced. New BPOs for militia (and proto) could then be introduced since ALL equipment in-game needs to be manufactured.
Number 4 is my preferred option, but will require some major work from CCP.
I will end with saying I fully agree with you that there need to be more appealing items available for Aurum in the store. I suspect CCP does as well (they do want to make money), so my suggestion is to hold on to your Aurum refund until then. For me, I will buy some Rail Rifles to try them out before I skill into them. |
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