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xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:17:00 - [1] - Quote so what is good compensation for the bpo removals. these were useful permanent items. should we get something useful and permanent? is 4800 aur fair compensation when a lot of people only paid 50 aur for the item but a lot of others actually paid 4800? should those who only paid 50 get 50, or should those who paid 4800 get an equal increase in aur complimentary to the increase those who paid 50 are getting? vanity items? ones that are exclusive to those who had these bpo's that no one else could ever get? please discuss seriously. add your ideas. nova knife posed this challenge and i would like a mature discussion. if you don't have these bpo's or you just want to troll, please refrain from posting. thanks. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:35:00 - [2] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: 4800 AUR is more than enough for 4 mediocre militia BPOs when a lot of people bought them for 50 AUR. but what about the people who paid 4800 aur for them? while those who paid 50 make a profit, those who paid 4800 don't. isn't that imbalanced? shouldn't the people who paid 4800 aur get like 40k aur (estimated comparable increase from 50 to 4800)? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 42	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:41:00 - [3] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: your tears are sooo delicious. Keep making threads. thanks for the bump, chump SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 43	Posted - 2013.11.23 19:52:00 - [4] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: 4800 AUR is more than enough for 4 mediocre militia BPOs when a lot of people bought them for 50 AUR. but what about the people who paid 4800 aur for them? while those who paid 50 make a profit, those who paid 4800 don't. isn't that imbalanced? shouldn't the people who paid 4800 aur get like 40k aur (estimated comparable increase from 50 to 4800)? They could be grateful that they're getting a refund and stop being so self entitled? Just a thought. but am I not entitled to what I purchased? to be treated fairly by the seller of that product? is CCP entitled to take money under false pretense? you will say i chose to give them my money, yes I did. and they chose to sell me a bpo. why do they have more right to that bpo than I do to my money? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:36:00 - [5] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: 4800 AUR is more than enough for 4 mediocre militia BPOs when a lot of people bought them for 50 AUR. but what about the people who paid 4800 aur for them? while those who paid 50 make a profit, those who paid 4800 don't. isn't that imbalanced? shouldn't the people who paid 4800 aur get like 40k aur (estimated comparable increase from 50 to 4800)? They could be grateful that they're getting a refund and stop being so self entitled? Just a thought. but am I not entitled to what I purchased? to be treated fairly by the seller of that product? is CCP entitled to take money under false pretense? you will say i chose to give them my money, yes I did. and they chose to sell me a bpo. why do they have more right to that bpo than I do to my money? Ah, but what exactly did you purchase? BPOs for cash? Nope. You purchased Aurum; what you chose to do with that was entirely up to you. Now that the item you purchased will no longer be offered, you'll get Aurum back...which is exactly what you paid for. End of discussion. not end of discussion. when i bought aur, permanent , useful items were on the market. now they are not. so the aur I bought before is actually worth more than the aur I'm given now. not to mention there are people who only paid 50 aur for these items... why do they get 4800 aur, but I, who paid 4800 aur don't get a mark up in aur back? isn't that imbalanced? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:44:00 - [6] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: not end of discussion. when i bought aur, permanent , useful items were on the market. now they are not. so the aur I bought before is actually worth more than the aur I'm given now. not to mention there are people who only paid 50 aur for these items... why do they get 4800 aur, but I, who paid 4800 aur don't get a mark up in aur back? isn't that imbalanced? Look at it this way--you paid money for an item and received usage out of it. Now, you're getting FULL value for the item(s) that are being removed. How is that not fair? You've gotten to enjoy a good with absolutely zero depreciation penalty! so I should be happy that I got some use out of something I was under the impression I bought forever? how often in life would that deal make you happy? maybe if I were simple minded and had no self respect, I would let people walk all over me with BS deals like that.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:06:00 - [7] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: 4800 AUR is more than enough for 4 mediocre militia BPOs when a lot of people bought them for 50 AUR. but what about the people who paid 4800 aur for them? while those who paid 50 make a profit, those who paid 4800 don't. isn't that imbalanced? shouldn't the people who paid 4800 aur get like 40k aur (estimated comparable increase from 50 to 4800)? They could be grateful that they're getting a refund and stop being so self entitled? Just a thought. but am I not entitled to what I purchased? to be treated fairly by the seller of that product? is CCP entitled to take money under false pretense? you will say i chose to give them my money, yes I did. and they chose to sell me a bpo. why do they have more right to that bpo than I do to my money? You might want to stick to what your OP stated and comment in other thread dealing with ther facets of the BPO issue if you want non troll responses to be taken seriously here. If you purchase any software that is used to interact online with other buyers you will always run the risk that that software will be developed beyond what you are happy with to suit the whole. That is a risk that all buyers are warned off in the small print and accept by using the software. In an optimum situation you can argue for reimbursement, but that won't be always the case. Mostly though it's tough luck, and go find other software that suits your present needs. In this case you're getting reimbursed. Stick to your thread title and lets see if fair exact reimbursement can be gotten for all. i appreciate the level headed response. if people would start posting serious contributions that would be great....until then, I'll take the bumps SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:09:00 - [8] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I'm loosing BPOs. I can't remember if I bought them cheap or not (some were full price for sure). I think CCP's approach is perfectly reasonable. I'm not butthurt. I understand why this solution is the easiest/simplest fix. I don't want CCP squandering development resources on this. There is plenty of other more important sht for them to be working on. too many of you are just looking at this from your own gain or loss instead of being concerned about the president it sets... today they pull this crap with stuff you don't care about. tomorrow they do it with something you do care about, but the groundwork was already laid out for them to do it, because the community remained quiet or disdainful of those who spoke when they didn't care. people like IWS are the worst because they are supposed to represent the communities best interest but instead he craps on our valid concerns simply because he isn't bothered by the change. you ever hear the story of the country that was taking over other countries? the countries being accosted asked for help from those who weren't being attacked. the requests were ignored because their soverenty wasn't being encroached. before long the invading country did attack those others and when they went to seek help they realized there was no one to seek aid from because all the other countries were already defeated. the lesson here, don't wait for it to directly affect you, because then its to late. what ccp is doing is unacceptable and we should stand united against this type of action else eventually something you care about be affected. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!*
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:18:00 - [9] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: OMFG, BPO removal being compared to countries being taken over.... This whole BPO saga gets more and more bizarre on a daily basis. its a parable you dope.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:23:00 - [10] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Vell0cet wrote: I'm loosing BPOs. I can't remember if I bought them cheap or not (some were full price for sure). I think CCP's approach is perfectly reasonable. I'm not butthurt. I understand why this solution is the easiest/simplest fix. I don't want CCP squandering development resources on this. There is plenty of other more important sht for them to be working on. too many of you are just looking at this from your own gain or loss instead of being concerned about the president it sets... today they pull this crap with stuff you don't care about. tomorrow they do it with something you do care about, but the groundwork was already laid out for them to do it, because the community remained quiet or disdainful of those who spoke when they didn't care. people like IWS are the worst because they are supposed to represent the communities best interest but instead he craps on our valid concerns simply because he isn't bothered by the change. you ever hear the story of the country that was taking over other countries? the countries being accosted asked for help from those who weren't being attacked. the requests were ignored because their soverenty wasn't being encroached. before long the invading country did attack those others and when they went to seek help they realized there was no one to seek aid from because all the other countries were already defeated. the lesson here, don't wait for it to directly affect you, because then its to late. what ccp is doing is unacceptable and we should stand united against this type of action else eventually something you care about be affected. The lesson here is if you don't like how something works, don't accept the Terms of Service thats required to play the game. You have been agreeing to a contract that states they have the ability to remove anything they want from the game. As for precedence, this isn't anything new. Companies have been doing this for years, and will continue doing it. I suggest you read contracts in the future before accepting the terms therein. this defense is old and dry... read my other posts why this doesn't hold up. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!*

xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:27:00 - [11] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Duran Lex wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Vell0cet wrote: I'm loosing BPOs. I can't remember if I bought them cheap or not (some were full price for sure). I think CCP's approach is perfectly reasonable. I'm not butthurt. I understand why this solution is the easiest/simplest fix. I don't want CCP squandering development resources on this. There is plenty of other more important sht for them to be working on. too many of you are just looking at this from your own gain or loss instead of being concerned about the president it sets... today they pull this crap with stuff you don't care about. tomorrow they do it with something you do care about, but the groundwork was already laid out for them to do it, because the community remained quiet or disdainful of those who spoke when they didn't care. people like IWS are the worst because they are supposed to represent the communities best interest but instead he craps on our valid concerns simply because he isn't bothered by the change. you ever hear the story of the country that was taking over other countries? the countries being accosted asked for help from those who weren't being attacked. the requests were ignored because their soverenty wasn't being encroached. before long the invading country did attack those others and when they went to seek help they realized there was no one to seek aid from because all the other countries were already defeated. the lesson here, don't wait for it to directly affect you, because then its to late. what ccp is doing is unacceptable and we should stand united against this type of action else eventually something you care about be affected. The lesson here is if you don't like how something works, don't accept the Terms of Service thats required to play the game. You have been agreeing to a contract that states they have the ability to remove anything they want from the game. As for precedence, this isn't anything new. Companies have been doing this for years, and will continue doing it. I suggest you read contracts in the future before accepting the terms therein. this defense is old and dry... read my other posts why this doesn't hold up. I don't need to. No matter how much you dislike what CCP is doing, you agreed to their ability to do it. You didn't have to click accept. End of story. only simple people have opinions without information..... thank you for marking yourself as someone who needs not be taken serious. makes less people I need to reply to... btw... youre actually wrong. read some threads to find out why SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!*
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:27:00 - [12] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Rogue Saint wrote: OMFG, BPO removal being compared to countries being taken over.... This whole BPO saga gets more and more bizarre on a daily basis. its a parable you dope.... Quit writing parables dude, you suck at them. my apostles would disagree. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:28:00 - [13] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Read the ToS to find out why your complaints are moot point. I did... it doesn't matter under certain things SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:37:00 - [14] - Quote lets start posting some ideas here people. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 66	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:58:00 - [15] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: lets start posting some ideas here people. There are no "ideas", you bought AUR, you used AUR to buy BPO's. Those BPO's are defunct, CCP are refunding the cost of those. All the QQ about people who bought BPO's at a reduced price is just that, QQ... Just because you didn't buy them cheap as you weren't around at the time does not give you any rights to QQ about it. ok that's one guy who likes being taken advantage of and has nothing useful to add... next? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi DUST University Ivy League 77	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:35:00 - [16] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Rogue Saint wrote: I don't know why I bother replying to these **** up "BPO removal is the end of the world" threads. It's CCP's game, the terms are clear, changes, things become useless, CCP do their best (and are fair) to refund at market prices or better. Before you ask, yes, I've spent well over -ú500 on this game since playing beta... I have tones of BPO's, I also understand how bad they are for the game. Sure I will question them taking my Dren/Templar *, but I'm not one for looking into a crystal ball at events that may never happen. You feel you have been poorly treated, get off the forums, post a petition to support, spam the CEO's twatter account, but please spare us your bullshit and leave the game. CCP had the legal right to put contact nades on sale at half price a week before they nerfed them into oblivion too. That doesn't mean they're immune from criticism when they pull such dck moves. lol no one is gonna care till it effects them and I will troll them for their tears at that point, saying, I TOLD YOU SO! SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 106	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:25:00 - [17] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Varrikan wrote: I'm getting tired of this drama although I have one question Can someone please tell me how much AUR I'm getting for vehicle BPOs that were part of paid packs? As far as I know those BPOs were never on the market... Thanks Are you talking about BPCs or BPOs? Just asking because didn't all BPOs for vehicle modules sell through the Dust market. Just interested. And yep, I'm sick of all the QQing. A few questions on here to gauge peoples knowledge as to where people stand is OK, but this bull that so many people are doing without any admittance of trying to put in a ticket to CCP with the resulting response is a brain melt. If they're going to argue over this then the next year is going to be painful on these forums. if your sick of the QQ, then implore ccp to stop making poor decisions SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 117	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:57:00 - [18] - Quote Saheiji wrote: Varrikan wrote: Talking about BPOs. I have Blood Raider BPO LAV which was part of a pack. I'm OK with it going but just curious how it will be reimbursed. No idea how much AUR it should be worth as it never had any AUR value given on the market. As far as I know that is. Might be wrong. Info apreciated... You shall not receive a reimbursement for the Blood Raider BPO at all - it will not be removed. Check this out: Announcing Uprising 1.7 Vehicle Respec its not being removed this patch.... since they have gone back on their word so often are you prepared to assure us it will never be removed? if it does get removed later how will you feel about that? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 120	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:00:00 - [19] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I can accept either of the following as compensation for the loss of those four specific BPOs that CCP Frame mentioned. 1. The AUR value of the BPOs (as it currently stands) 2. A replacement BPO of the same type (example: BPO module for another BPO module, not a BPO suit) 3. 1x 30-Day Omega Active Booster 4. 1x 30-Day Passive Booster 5. The ability to open that damn door... (ahem) I'm one of those players who got BPOs at dirt cheap prices, but I will still be happy regardless if I was one of those who paid 4800 AUR since I'll be getting the same amount back in that case. the only issue I have with your suggestions is for those who paid 4800 aur to get that back I would be fine with it if those who got them dirt cheap weren't making a profit and if aur market actually had worthwhile stuff to buy. without permanent items on that market the aur I get now is worth less than the aur I bought. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 120	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:02:00 - [20] - Quote Saheiji wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: its not being removed this patch.... since they have gone back on their word so often are you prepared to assure us it will never be removed? if it does get removed later how will you feel about that? Who am I to assure anyone of anything? No, obviously I cannot assure the other BPOs will never be removed. I really would not want that to happen of course. The way I see it, CCP may have the legal grounds to remove any BPO we purchased in-game from the store, and I fear they might want to go that far. However, I am almost sure that legally they won't be able to pull off removing anything that was included in a Bundle, and not purchased for AUR. That would be ridiculous, legally probably impossible, and I assume that many players - which might include me - would just leave without a word. This one though - removing 4 BPOs, or even all BPOs purchased for AUR and refunding the AUR - this I will sit through, and see what happens. well im not as sure as you they wont try. I see this as opening the door for that. I fight because I don't want us and our money to be treated carelessly. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!

xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 122	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:26:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: without permanent items on that market the aur I get now is worth less than the aur I bought. That is your opinion. You see the AUR you get now as worthless because you don't like the other options offered right now (AUR consumables like the weapons and Boosters). I like these other options therefore they are worth equally as much as when I first bought the AUR. Of course, that still doesn't mean they are equally worth it to you if that's how you want to see it. bpo's were an attractive item influencing people to buy aur its evident in the sliding aur sales that many felt this way and find the selection on the aur market sub par. if you owned a giftcard to a 4 star restaurant with the best food ever made and then they changed to a mcdonalds menue, when do you think that card held the most value? as a 4 star restaurant, or as mickey D'S? the aur market is now mickey D'S not my opinion, fact exhibited by aur sales and the complaints of the gear. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 122	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:36:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: 1. bpo's were an attractive item influencing people to buy aur 2. its evident in the sliding aur sales that many felt this way and find the selection on the aur market sub par. 3. if you owned a giftcard to a 4 star restaurant with the best food ever made and then they changed to a mcdonalds menue, when do you think that card held the most value? as a 4 star restaurant, or as mickey D'S? the aur market is now mickey D'S not my opinion, fact exhibited by aur sales and the complaints of the gear. 1. True. 2. What sliding AUR sales? Where do you get your figures from? I don't see a graph anywhere that I can access that gives me a live feed of what's happening. 3. I look at it this way. A $5 gift card is still worth only $5 to me. Money is money. I don't care if the food they offer has changed. 2. I don't actually have numbers I base this off all the hate for the aur items on the forums, the fact I hardly ever see aur gear in battle, and conversations with other dust mercs. 3. 5$ is 5$ true but what you get for that 5$ has different values to the buyer. better food tastes better than bad food. wouldn't you rather spend your 5$ on good food? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:05:00 - [23] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink. For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries. but they would be the best damn fries you ever ate... and if that's what I originally paid for that's what I expect to get. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:14:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: 2. I don't actually have numbers I base this off all the hate for the aur items on the forums, the fact I hardly ever see aur gear in battle, and conversations with other dust mercs. 3. 5$ is 5$ true but what you get for that 5$ has different values to the buyer. better food tastes better than bad food. wouldn't you rather spend your 5$ on good food? 2. Then don't assume. It makes an ASS out of U and ME. 3. That's subjective. What's bad food for you is good food for me. I still like McD's. 2. some things can be inferred by the community reaction.... do you need statistics to know McD's is more popular than Hardee's? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 123	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:26:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink. For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries. but they would be the best damn fries you ever ate... and if that's what I originally paid for that's what I expect to get. Whole. Meal. With. Drink. Can't compete with that. cheap meat that messes your stomach up and is loaded with sugar and calories.... all filler no content.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 125	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:32:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: xLuca Brasi wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: For $5 at McD's, I can get a whole meal with a drink. For $5 at a 5-star restaurant, I can only afford the fries. but they would be the best damn fries you ever ate... and if that's what I originally paid for that's what I expect to get. Whole. Meal. With. Drink. Can't compete with that. cheap meat that messes your stomach up and is loaded with sugar and calories.... all filler no content.... Artery Cloggers are worth it, damn it. lol.... but do you see my point? SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!
xLuca Brasi Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 125	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:37:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Yes. But my point also still stands. You and I are at a stand still. well at least we reached this impasse civilly. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!