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Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:01:00 -
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BIG QUESTION!
What efforts have been taken to prevent Rifles (new and old) from dominating in CQC? |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.11.23 15:56:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:This will allow the Assault Rifle to still be king of the Close Quarters Engagements, as it should be ...
To my friend and CPM Nominee, Aeon Amadi:
I can think of two other primary weapons that should be "king of Close Quarters Engagements" ...
1) Are you saying that the AR should outperform (A) other Rifles in CQC or (B) everything else in CQC?
2) What say you to HMG and SG users who claim that CQC is presently dominated by ARs and ScRs?
3) What say you to these CQC specialists' concerns over AR and ScR hipfire accuracy?
4) What AR / ScR nerfs would you sign off on in hopes of balancing close quarter engagements?
5) What SG / HMG buffs would you sign off on in hopes of balancing close quarter engagements? |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:22:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:(word limit)
Thanks for the clarification, Aeon. o7
I have a few followup questions for you, if you don't mind:
1) Would the current TTK issue be better addressed by adding HP or reducing DPS on high RoF weapons? If eHP were raised, would you agree that low RoF weapons (like Shotguns and Knives) should receive substantial damage boosts?
2) In other shooters I've played, fighters are generally rewarded for having the right tool, at the right time, for the right job. For example, a mid-range fighter is left at severe disadvantage if/when a close-range fighter manages to get in close. Would you agree that this fundamental dynamic is not presently observed in Dust as it relates to "jack-of-all-trade" weapons? |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.11.24 02:46:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
* Responds to inquiries *
Thanks again, Aeon.
You make some good points, but I'm afraid our thinking is disparate at a fundamental level.
Still love you, but I must disagree with you.
I'm more in accord with CPM's take, which outright challenges the "AR-514" status quo:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120782&find=unread
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Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.11.24 06:45:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:
Bear in mind that Call of Duty has those mechanics to prevent the hard-hitting rifles from dominating because it has the shortest TTK in the entire line-up of shooters. That being said, if we fix TTK than looking at rifles is less necessary.
Edit: And when I say that I mean in general. A SMG can kill just as easily as an AR in the right conditions.
Perhaps a tangent, but my Prototype Scout's TTK of 0.3 - 0.5 seconds is equitable to that of CoD's.
A half second (or less) TTK poses quite the problem when using a shotgun that fires at roughly 1 blast / second. What is a 400 HP sucker-punch to a 1000HP MedFrame, if he has the better part of a second to respond between each blast? In the 3 second required killspan, how much damage can that MedFrame deal from his AR or ScR, without even pausing to aim? The time investment and risk exposure the shotgunner assumes in flanking his opponent and getting into optimal range ... all down the drain because AR / ScR deserves "fair odds" vs CQC niche weaponry?
The things I'd hoped you say (but didn't):
* The shotgun and HMG are under-performing; they need serious rework to be competitive.
* Today's TTK problem is primarily due to over-performance and predominance of ARs and ScRs.
* The AR / ScR are far too strong from the hip; nerf these guns to give meaning to role balance.
I'd like nothing more than to support you for CPM. I can think of no one more dedicated, trustworthy, or better suited for the job. Furthermore, I think you could do alot to encourage CCP to balance Scouts against other frames. But before I can support you, I need you to start taking non-AR-514 perspectives into account. We Scouts need someone who isn't afraid to call a spade a spade, and is willing to strip away entitlements from weapons and builds which are demonstrably over-performing.
To relate this particular post to this thread, I'm willing to bet that CCP has balanced the New Rifles against the old OP Rifles, and has paid negligible consideration to niche weapons like HMGs, Shotguns and Laser Rifles. I REALLY hope I'm wrong here, but I'm inclined to weigh the past as predicative of the future. |
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