DUST Search - Why people who don't want respecs don't want them.

Zero Harpuia wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

And just to add to my point above.

The FOTM chasers are actually doing the game a favor. They highlight the OPness or the shortcomings of items rather quickly.

Other than holding on to the ideals from Eve I still can't wrap my head around the anti-respec mindset.

I do believe that a lot of vets are worried that all these randoms might get their **** together if their SP were allocated properly.

Please cease that easily refuted point. The vets aren't scared of the newbies. If anything, the newbies should be scared that the vets could respec all 10-40 million SP. The anti-respec mindset is pretty easy to understand if you choose to do so. I specced into, let's say Laser Rifle I. I can still spec into ARs, ScRs, SLs, ANYTHING really. That's the point of the game. You can spec into anything given enough time investment. If you let people respec every few months it cuts down both the interest of the new and the repercussions of the permanent. For a personal example, I have enough SP saved up to proto both the new guns being added in 1.7. I chose to save instead of spend, which hurt me in the short term. I could proto them out immediately, but that would be a very Alex thing to do. I could also just put a single level into both and tinker with them. It doesn't cost much and I can get that back from a few quick fights. Then I can pour the banked SP into whichever I end ep liking, if either.

But what if we get a respec? Not only will that hurt me, because I chose to bank SP, it also kills any permanence of choice. Why not throw this to level V, enough people will be whining for another respec in a month to get me out of it. Why not put all my points into a single niche, I'm just a respec away from getting a weapon in another category. Why shouldn't I pound all my SP into the new thing, I'll get it back in a month. Why can't I just try a new role every few months until the whole game's intrigue is torn away? I could just do it the way the game intended and unlock everything over time, but why should I when they will always cave for a respec?


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Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 374	Posted - 2013.11.22 19:47:00 - [1] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: And just to add to my point above. The FOTM chasers are actually doing the game a favor. They highlight the OPness or the shortcomings of items rather quickly. Other than holding on to the ideals from Eve I still can't wrap my head around the anti-respec mindset. I do believe that a lot of vets are worried that all these randoms might get their **** together if their SP were allocated properly. Please cease that easily refuted point. The vets aren't scared of the newbies. If anything, the newbies should be scared that the vets could respec all 10-40 million SP. The anti-respec mindset is pretty easy to understand if you choose to do so. I specced into, let's say Laser Rifle I. I can still spec into ARs, ScRs, SLs, ANYTHING really. That's the point of the game. You can spec into anything given enough time investment. If you let people respec every few months it cuts down both the interest of the new and the repercussions of the permanent. For a personal example, I have enough SP saved up to proto both the new guns being added in 1.7. I chose to save instead of spend, which hurt me in the short term. I could proto them out immediately, but that would be a very Alex thing to do. I could also just put a single level into both and tinker with them. It doesn't cost much and I can get that back from a few quick fights. Then I can pour the banked SP into whichever I end ep liking, if either. But what if we get a respec? Not only will that hurt me, because I chose to bank SP, it also kills any permanence of choice. Why not throw this to level V, enough people will be whining for another respec in a month to get me out of it. Why not put all my points into a single niche, I'm just a respec away from getting a weapon in another category. Why shouldn't I pound all my SP into the new thing, I'll get it back in a month. Why can't I just try a new role every few months until the whole game's intrigue is torn away? I could just do it the way the game intended and unlock everything over time, but why should I when they will always cave for a respec? Until all racial content is released and the balance is ironed out, the "permanence" of choices is meaningless. If you don't see why that's the case, I don't think I'll be able to explain it to you. For you, a vet, saving your SP is not even mildly the same as a post-release player saving their SP, and for you to belittle low-SP players for not saving their SP is ridiculous. You saving your SP only hurts your horizontal spread- you lose versatility, but you already have at least one, if not multiple, fully proto-d roles. To players with <12 million SP, who have spent carefully towards a single specialized role, saving SP directly hurts their ability to perform their role in the short term, and in Dust the "short term" means multiple months. Therefore, when new content comes out, it's the veteran players who can freely spec into the new content at no real cost to themselves over the previous months. Respecs when a significant amount of new content is added would negate this issue. If you really want a cookie for not wanting/needing a respec, fine- let's have anyone who doesn't take a respec receive 10000 black eagles or 100k free SP or 100 million ISK or whatever would placate you. For the majority of the player base, a respec has far more positives than negatives.