Wrong thats their max lock on range

That doesn't matter. I can't fire at you unless I can lock on to you.



At about 100 meters you guys on the ground are a single black pixel. Giving you 175 meter lock on is generous. You can see me approach clearly at over 400 meters while i cannot see you until 100. Your advantage is so huge I am confused at why you feel more is needed.

As a lock-on scrublet with proficiency 4 in swarms I'll hold back my QQ until I actually play 1.7.

Swarms are going to function differently that's for sure but with teamwork and creativity they will still be a threat.
The bottom line on swarms? They can no longer 1v1 well fit vehicles and that's how is it should be IMO.

Where are you getting the information that light AV weapons should be able to kill tanks?

I mean swarms are pretty mindless, this could be CCP making a push for people to use more skill-oriented AV weapons and being less reliant on the noob-proof ones?

No tanking does require team work or you would be out of a job. You are constantly say how easy unsquadded tankers are to take down....well yes they are easy because they aren't using team work.

If you are a good tanker you don't need it, I'm not good, just very lucky.

Ehem
Burst AR IS AWESMOEEEEE

The Proto Allotek Plasma Cannnon is pretty good AV, as long as you use Complex Damage Mods and get the Damage Proficiency.

Saw a guy the other day one shotting Proto Gallante Logis with just splash

What does any military try to reinforce amongst its soldiers?

Comradery and Teamwork.

However I understand this is a game and gamers are notoriously selfish and anti social recluses...but hell try to consider that you are playing a tactical shooter not a cod clone where one man makes himself and entire army because he can jack up his sensitivity and rock quick scopes all day.

Effective long missile range is about 80m. Very few kills happen above 100m range. Try it. Swarms do not have to aim. they can fire while jumping off a ledge or hopping like a fairy on skipping drugs. At the same time it am trying to hit their 3 pixel dot of a body that is the same colour as the ground; their hits are knocking me all over the place, yet my missiles do not hinder their aim one bit.

I have never hit anyone from a dropship at 175m. Even if I did it would not OHK you unless it was a direct hit, and even then only if you are in a weak suit. You seem to like to spread misinformation Cat Merc yet never change what you say even after you have been corrected many times. We can see your agenda is a selfish one, which is something New Eden allows for but It would greatly help the community if you tried to be more honest and fair with other posters.

You have already been corrected about the 175m being lock on not range, yet you keep saying range. Why do you keep trying to mislead people?

oh atim atim aim, why do you want it rediculously easy to destroy vehicles? i barely get killed by vehicles, as they cant go where i can, and vehicles use teamwork to defend objectives or assault with infantry.
for my last point: it's okay for proto infantry to go 30-0 but vehicles cant go 10-0? it's okay for proto infantry using no teamwork but not vehicles? oh and my well fit suit solo's all day and profits.
bottom line: it's okay for proto infantry to do well but not vehicles cuz your AR/ScR can't hurt it?
pss, 1 forge gunner destroying well fit vehicles is BS from like 300M, high damage high rof high range isn't balanced.

Run a tank in PC and then comment that HAV's require no teamwork to use. Try moving from one point to another without being hit by two proto maxed IAFG's and a side of proto swarms chasing you in an LLAV. The only ones who can help you are your teamates, while the FG mindlessly spams shots from an unseen location on a tower.

It was just for fun. Swarmers should be pushing CCP to make their role rewarding. Skill, positioning etc should give you kills, and WP. Too many try to hang onto the easy aspects of swarming. One should be proud to be a swarmer. Did you see the "best 10 swarmers" thread. The whole community treated it as a joke. This should concern you. YOu guys need to be rewarded too, Good skills should lead to WP. But atm the weapon is to unbalanced to help you prove your worth.

You should be able to out think your enemy. Having game mechanics that only allow you to point and hit does not give you a chance to do this. Try to think of ways your weapon could change that would make it better. Not just range and damage but other aspects. How about missile types, or missiles that only hug the ground or ones that create smoke to blind pilots or ones that disable vehicle electronics and scanners.

Is killing the Dropship the only rewarding thing? can WP from grounding it be better> or WP for lighting it up so others can hit it? Lets make the fight between vehicles and infantry vaired and interesting. I want to fight you. But fairly.

There he is..........................

Balance to you is removing vehicles in their entirety.

But those require intelligence, and we can't have that, no way!

Vehicle EHP is going down significantly from what it currently is, swarm damage is being lowered appropriately as well. The only thing you might have to complain about is the lowered lock on range... which is a silly thing to ***** about as right now with a 400m lock on range you can deny the WHOLE MAP to a dropship user and quite a fair bit of it to a tank user as well.

Right now you are complaining because you won't be able to pull the same crap with the absolute impunity you currently have.

AV should be classified as support, but enough of it should down a tank. There's a reason that in the stats for swarms, they only need a light weapon slot, and forge guns need a heavy weapon slot. Swarms should be lesser damage over time, forge guns for high alpha damage.

It's really quite easy if you have an open, rational mind. You just go blind with rage at the sight or mentioning of tanks. That's not healthy.

well if it isn't the CEO of "i want to destroy H.EAVY A.TTACK V.EHICLEs with LIGHT weapons"
hi

if they see a HAV in the open where no teamates are, have proto AV, and skillful and not hiding around a corner spamming AV, then sure, but give good pilots a chance to escape, after all, it is to defend a position/detere?(IDK the spelling)the vehicle

Because not once, not ever, have you ever said that tanks are hard to pilot and that AV is easy to use. Hence, you're on an anti-vehicle crusade.

go use a pistol against a heavy, besides heavy's sacrifice speed, and thats like using a stinger against a tank, its not meant for it, its AA.
idk im tired

headshots don't count, most AV hits normal spots

im so 1337 i can spam diz swarm launcher anywhere in my redline or on a ladder or bunny hope in the open or hide im smal area im so leet i just got a free kill hurp derp.

tanks have finite ammo now AR/ScR noob

Theres a difference between 'threat' and 'HOLY ****! Get the ducknipples outta the...!'(explosion)

A swarm should take 2 clips average to kill a tank. Not 2 volleys.
Does the laser rifle kill within 12 shots of it's 100 clip? Does a SMG kill in under 10? Nor should swarms kill in .4 seconds.
3 swarmers should have the same danger level as 1 wyrkom of today.
That being, the point where 2 combined 'volleys' will kill a tank instantly.

So yes. I want swarms nerfed. And iMHO, it should be by about 40% damage potential.
But you guys would rage, wouldnt you? And you'd probably quit eh?
Good. Lets tankers have a breath of fresh air not having to run every time MLT hits them.