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SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:01:00 - [1] - Quote As we all know with the upcoming 1.7 build we will see many sweeping changes to both vehicles and AV. Many on both sides are making plans and determining the numbers for optimum fits, reviewing how balance will play out, and developing new strategies. At this time we are seeing new information come out day by day that may affect how this new balance will play out. One important factor is the possibility of changes to AV weapons that to date have not been announced. During a recent discussion on balance one item was mentioned: Quote: CPM: No, no changes to Forge Guns for 1.7 Now that we have this information I am hopeful that we can take a new look at how the interplay between AV and vehicles will balance out and see if there are perhaps any issues that need highlighted.
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:09:00 - [2] - Quote For those interested in discussing in a more fluid and in depth way I would invite you to look here: Dust Discussions
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Top Men. 209	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:16:00 - [3] - Quote Why bother changing DS's if Forges are just going to three-four shot them from unrenderable range instead of two shotting? You cut nades and swarms to ribbons, but forges get a minor splash range nerf. I guess that's great that you now have ten extra seconds to figure out where your executioner is before you die. Never mind the bad hit indication lieing to you and other such dumb bugs. I can't determine which CCP likes less. Scouts or dropships?
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 306	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:25:00 - [4] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Why bother changing DS's if Forges are just going to three-four shot them from unrenderable range instead of two shotting? You cut nades and swarms to ribbons, but forges get a minor splash range nerf. I guess that's great that you now have ten extra seconds to figure out where your executioner is before you die. Never mind the bad hit indication lieing to you and other such dumb bugs. I can't determine which CCP likes less. Scouts or dropships? They said they have fixed the rendering for vehicles...it should help. We will see.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3827	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:28:00 - [5] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Why bother changing DS's if Forges are just going to three-four shot them from unrenderable range instead of two shotting? You cut nades and swarms to ribbons, but forges get a minor splash range nerf. I guess that's great that you now have ten extra seconds to figure out where your executioner is before you die. Never mind the bad hit indication lieing to you and other such dumb bugs. I can't determine which CCP likes less. Scouts or dropships? Dropships can now get 18k eHP for 30 seconds. You shall now stand in awe. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 798	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:30:00 - [6] - Quote WTF, now forge guns will be OP as hell "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1729	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:31:00 - [7] - Quote No change not too bad
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Top Men. 209	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:32:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Why bother changing DS's if Forges are just going to three-four shot them from unrenderable range instead of two shotting? You cut nades and swarms to ribbons, but forges get a minor splash range nerf. I guess that's great that you now have ten extra seconds to figure out where your executioner is before you die. Never mind the bad hit indication lieing to you and other such dumb bugs. I can't determine which CCP likes less. Scouts or dropships? Dropships can now get 18k eHP for 30 seconds. You shall now stand in awe. 18k huh? What's the math on that? Sounds like a miscarried one or something.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1729	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:32:00 - [9] - Quote Harpyja wrote: WTF, now forge guns will be OP as hell Nah just makes them the main AV weapon Tanks and DS do look stronger but we will have to see how it plays out with this one
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 798	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:32:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Why bother changing DS's if Forges are just going to three-four shot them from unrenderable range instead of two shotting? You cut nades and swarms to ribbons, but forges get a minor splash range nerf. I guess that's great that you now have ten extra seconds to figure out where your executioner is before you die. Never mind the bad hit indication lieing to you and other such dumb bugs. I can't determine which CCP likes less. Scouts or dropships? Dropships can now get 18k eHP for 30 seconds. You shall now stand in awe. But that's when hardeners are on. Forge guns will have enough alpha to one shot a dropship before it can activate its hardeners. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 108	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:33:00 - [11] - Quote Wrong place to stand on the scout soap box . I'm starting to believe that scout users are the BIGGEST whiners . DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE ALREADY !!!!!!!!! You ALREADY know that ANY weapon that's considered anti-vehicle will be NERFED with a sledgehammer and the guillotine . They have to justify and clean up the mess . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3828	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:39:00 - [12] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Why bother changing DS's if Forges are just going to three-four shot them from unrenderable range instead of two shotting? You cut nades and swarms to ribbons, but forges get a minor splash range nerf. I guess that's great that you now have ten extra seconds to figure out where your executioner is before you die. Never mind the bad hit indication lieing to you and other such dumb bugs. I can't determine which CCP likes less. Scouts or dropships? Dropships can now get 18k eHP for 30 seconds. You shall now stand in awe. But that's when hardeners are on. Forge guns will have enough alpha to one shot a dropship before it can activate its hardeners. True. But dropships main role is to transport troops and softening the landing zone with the side turrets while doing that. That will work with active hardeners. Assault dropships? Well, 300 splash on small missile turrets anyone? They can get in, activate hardeners, kill baddies, get out. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3828	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:40:00 - [13] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Why bother changing DS's if Forges are just going to three-four shot them from unrenderable range instead of two shotting? You cut nades and swarms to ribbons, but forges get a minor splash range nerf. I guess that's great that you now have ten extra seconds to figure out where your executioner is before you die. Never mind the bad hit indication lieing to you and other such dumb bugs. I can't determine which CCP likes less. Scouts or dropships? Dropships can now get 18k eHP for 30 seconds. You shall now stand in awe. 18k huh? What's the math on that? Sounds like a miscarried one or something. Some tanker on IRC calculated that. I don't understand most of it as I didn't sit and look at the new vehicle stats besides what I was told from my friends. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians 75	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:49:00 - [14] - Quote Really, no change to forge guns? Hmm.... With the lowered tank HP, I can definitely see the Breach Forge gun becoming a monster. But one thing that sort of makes it easier for Dropships to kill forge gunners, (sorta), is that small missiles now have 200m range. Same effective range of the forge gun so If they fix rendering then I don't think it will be so bad. I mean I hate forge guns as much as the next guy when I'm flying my ADS, I'm just trying to look at it from an unbiased POV.
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 208	Posted - 2013.11.21 16:21:00 - [15] - Quote This ... is a problem. Beyond the fact that Forges didn't have their most obvious issues addressed with the clear disparity in effectiveness with the Assault Variant both having higher damage after the first shot and higher rate of fire than the normal variant the fact that their damage hasnt been brought in line with the new health values means that the most vulnerable vehicle class in the game, dropships, are more or less going to be in the same position as they're in now. Very carefully think about whether or not you guys want to spec into Dropships in 1.7, they'll be objectively worse against Forge Guns than they are now. 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:00:00 - [16] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: This ... is a problem. Beyond the fact that Forges didn't have their most obvious issues addressed with the clear disparity in effectiveness with the Assault Variant both having higher damage after the first shot and higher rate of fire than the normal variant the fact that their damage hasnt been brought in line with the new health values means that the most vulnerable vehicle class in the game, dropships, are more or less going to be in the same position as they're in now. Very carefully think about whether or not you guys want to spec into Dropships in 1.7, they'll be objectively worse against Forge Guns than they are now. The DS was one concern I had. How to balance AV vs multiple types of threats, etc?
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1308	Posted - 2013.11.21 20:11:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sigberct Amni wrote: Why bother changing DS's if Forges are just going to three-four shot them from unrenderable range instead of two shotting? You cut nades and swarms to ribbons, but forges get a minor splash range nerf. I guess that's great that you now have ten extra seconds to figure out where your executioner is before you die. Never mind the bad hit indication lieing to you and other such dumb bugs. I can't determine which CCP likes less. Scouts or dropships? Dropships can now get 18k eHP for 30 seconds. You shall now stand in awe. Explain the fit please "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 123	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:20:00 - [18] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Really, no change to forge guns? Hmm.... With the lowered tank HP, I can definitely see the Breach Forge gun becoming a monster. But one thing that sort of makes it easier for Dropships to kill forge gunners, (sorta), is that small missiles now have 200m range. Same effective range of the forge gun so If they fix rendering then I don't think it will be so bad. I mean I hate forge guns as much as the next guy when I'm flying my ADS, I'm just trying to look at it from an unbiased POV. proto breach FG=2700+ dmg python 1900 hp....... incubus 2800 hp with shields tower camping ftw recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 370	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:24:00 - [19] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: As we all know with the upcoming 1.7 build we will see many sweeping changes to both vehicles and AV. Many on both sides are making plans and determining the numbers for optimum fits, reviewing how balance will play out, and developing new strategies. At this time we are seeing new information come out day by day that may affect how this new balance will play out. One important factor is the possibility of changes to AV weapons that to date have not been announced. During a recent discussion on balance one item was mentioned: Quote: CPM: No, no changes to Forge Guns for 1.7 Now that we have this information I am hopeful that we can take a new look at how the interplay between AV and vehicles will balance out and see if there are perhaps any issues that need highlighted. Can you provide more concrete evidence than one quote-tagged sentence from an unnamed CPM? Given the damage rebalance on other AV weapons, I'd be very, very surprised if FGs really are not touched.
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 809	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:36:00 - [20] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Really, no change to forge guns? Hmm.... With the lowered tank HP, I can definitely see the Breach Forge gun becoming a monster. But one thing that sort of makes it easier for Dropships to kill forge gunners, (sorta), is that small missiles now have 200m range. Same effective range of the forge gun so If they fix rendering then I don't think it will be so bad. I mean I hate forge guns as much as the next guy when I'm flying my ADS, I'm just trying to look at it from an unbiased POV. Not sure if you've flown a dropship or seen Judge Rhadamanthus' (probably spelled his name wrong, sorry Judge!) videos, but players are mere pixels from even 100m. To be effective, an assault dropship has to be no more than 50m from the ground. But for a forge gunner, dropships are much larger targets and are easy to hit at 300m. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32



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