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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:28:00 -
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SHROOM Headshot wrote:Quote: Without Amarr assault suits the rifle is overheated VERY FAST
I wear a basic caldari medium frame amd my ASCR can unload a whole clip before hitting overheat (SCR level IV) The reload animation is long enough that the build up is gone by clip 2. Even if you are going with the charge shot you can bypass the overheat animation very easily allowing for full SCR spam without any heat build up until the clip is exhausted. Just sayin'
You are mentally ill.
This is why.
The AScR doesn't build much heat, and it is common knowledge that it takes one and a half clips of solid firing to reach its heatsink's threshold. It also does not have charged shots.
The ScR Has charged shots, and those take far much more heat when they are released. The ScR, even with the Amarr suit, can only get about half a clip out before overheating. If you regulate your fire, you can fire the whole clip... but while you are trying not to overheat, the Gallente has fired 60 rounds into your upper torso.
Yaknow, just sayin'
Shields as Weapons
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2345
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:33:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:DUDE
Longer optimal means it will work like the laser rifle! This would technically be a nerf to those who try and spam the rifle at close range in order to do a ton of damage.
Basically, post 1.7, if you try and use the scrambler up close you will do minimal damage. HOWEVER, if you use it at long range you will see much better results, WHICH IS HOW THE GUN SHOULD WORK.
If you are facing a scrambler rifle post 1.7, all you have to do is run up close to them and you will see similar results as if you try and run up close to a laser rifle.
SAME THING WITH THE RAIL RIFLE.
Did this not occur to you? -_- I really really really hope you're right. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:35:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote: We don't balance overpowered weapons by adding others OP weapons.....
This. |
ugg reset
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:38:00 -
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Delta90212 wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:The Imperial Scrambler Rifle currently has an optimal range of 50m. As of 1.7, it will be 78m, almost a 30m increase. For comparison, the current Duvolle Assault Rifle does 30% damage up to 70m to shields, at which point the Scrambler Rifle will be doing 120% for another 8m. Currently, it looks like I'll be swapping to Scrambler Rifles as of 1.7, even though I use the TAR. It looks like the Scrambler Rifle will out range and out damage all of the new rifles, too. The only disadvantage seems to be the lack of an ACOG scope. Also, Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifles will be getting an optimal of 60m.
So, we've got an Assault Rifle variant that does less than half the damage and has less damage in a clip than a single stream of Scrambler fire, plus significant recoil that the Scrambler doesn't have, for a 14m advantage in range and a scope. Now that that's gone, the TAR will be so laughably ineffective compared to the Scrambler Rifle (we're talking half to a third of the DPS at most ranges), that there will be no reason to use it. I know, I know; it's a variant, so it should be a weaker version of the Scrambler. Then please explain to me why the Scrambler's Assault variant will be an Assault Rifle with 25% more range as of 1.7? I don't see that as being an inferior replica.
Scrambler Rifle 514, here we come? Unless, of course, the Scrambler Rifle starts doing 25% less damage than it is now, or something. Just wait for the Rail rifle with the highest range, decent dmg and a good scope comes. Then there will be crying.
Isn't it tied for 1st with the laser rifle.
quando omni flunkus moritati
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Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:57:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:DUDE
Longer optimal means it will work like the laser rifle! This would technically be a nerf to those who try and spam the rifle at close range in order to do a ton of damage.
Basically, post 1.7, if you try and use the scrambler up close you will do minimal damage. HOWEVER, if you use it at long range you will see much better results, WHICH IS HOW THE GUN SHOULD WORK.
If you are facing a scrambler rifle post 1.7, all you have to do is run up close to them and you will see similar results as if you try and run up close to a laser rifle.
SAME THING WITH THE RAIL RIFLE.
Did this not occur to you? -_- I really really really hope you're right.
I hope he is as well, as it would be nice to see the lasers have a characteristic of their own... but that would add the Scrambler Rifle users to the pile of respec beggars. I wouldn't even be able to begrudge them that, truth be told.
Shields as Weapons
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
137
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:25:00 -
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SHROOM Headshot wrote:Quote: Without Amarr assault suits the rifle is overheated VERY FAST
I wear a basic caldari medium frame amd my ASCR can unload a whole clip before hitting overheat (SCR level IV) The reload animation is long enough that the build up is gone by clip 2. Even if you are going with the charge shot you can bypass the overheat animation very easily allowing for full SCR spam without any heat build up until the clip is exhausted. Just sayin'
So what ? I'm speakin' about Semi-auto scrambler rifles not assault. |
Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
137
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:25:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote: We don't balance overpowered weapons by adding others OP weapons.....
This.
What ? |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
977
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:28:00 -
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ugg reset wrote:Delta90212 wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:The Imperial Scrambler Rifle currently has an optimal range of 50m. As of 1.7, it will be 78m, almost a 30m increase. For comparison, the current Duvolle Assault Rifle does 30% damage up to 70m to shields, at which point the Scrambler Rifle will be doing 120% for another 8m. Currently, it looks like I'll be swapping to Scrambler Rifles as of 1.7, even though I use the TAR. It looks like the Scrambler Rifle will out range and out damage all of the new rifles, too. The only disadvantage seems to be the lack of an ACOG scope. Also, Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifles will be getting an optimal of 60m.
So, we've got an Assault Rifle variant that does less than half the damage and has less damage in a clip than a single stream of Scrambler fire, plus significant recoil that the Scrambler doesn't have, for a 14m advantage in range and a scope. Now that that's gone, the TAR will be so laughably ineffective compared to the Scrambler Rifle (we're talking half to a third of the DPS at most ranges), that there will be no reason to use it. I know, I know; it's a variant, so it should be a weaker version of the Scrambler. Then please explain to me why the Scrambler's Assault variant will be an Assault Rifle with 25% more range as of 1.7? I don't see that as being an inferior replica.
Scrambler Rifle 514, here we come? Unless, of course, the Scrambler Rifle starts doing 25% less damage than it is now, or something. Just wait for the Rail rifle with the highest range, decent dmg and a good scope comes. Then there will be crying. Isn't it tied for 1st with the laser rifle.
The Laser Rifle has a higher optimal, technically, ending at around 83m~. The problem is that it only has about 20m to shoot in and has poor DPS in most situations.
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Scheherazade VII
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:54:00 -
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I remember quite a few effortless and deathless games with the GLU TAC, because you could stand outside of their maximum range.
Now they're adding 30m to the SCR? REALLY? This is the first I've heard about it but hey if it's on the internet, it's got to be true!
I guess CCP didn't learn, it's time to camp with the SCR, really far away
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2347
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:58:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote: We don't balance overpowered weapons by adding others OP weapons.....
This. What ? This point is superb. |
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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
2242
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:08:00 -
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Scheherazade VII wrote:I remember quite a few effortless and deathless games with the GLU TAC, because you could stand outside of their maximum range. Now they're adding 30m to the SCR? REALLY? This is the first I've heard about it but hey if it's on the internet, it's got to be true! I guess CCP didn't learn, it's time to camp with the SCR, really far away The rail rifle will have a longer range so I'll just camp outside your range with my rail rifle. |
Preacher Death 2
Stoned Avengers
54
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:18:00 -
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The real issue I feel here is the small hip fire on the scrambler rifle. As is it completely out shines the AR at all ranges. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
501
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:29:00 -
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is it really fair to assume optimal DPS out of the scrambler rifle though? it's semi-auto so are your fingers THAT fast? or are we assuming turbo controllers for all now.
i suppose you could say that the TAC AR is semi auto too, so that could be a moot point, but it's also worth mentioning that the scrambler rifles overheat. the semi-autos in particular overheat HARD. so even if you do have the fingers or turbo controller to get full dps out of it, you cannot apply the entire magazine of ammo at that rate. not even CLOSE.
it's also been said BY ccp that most of the old gallente AR variants were placeholders until other races got their ARs. now that we're getting stats we see where things were meant to shake out.
short range, full auto, maximum dps still belongs to gallente, but everything that ISN'T the iron sight, short range AR is just a placeholder for another races AR, and therefore probably SHOULD be inferior to those other races ARs. if you think about it they're still value added. what other skill can you level that gives you arguably the best short-mid range weapon, while also giving you a viable, if not optimal, mid-long range option? |
Adiran Zanzalin
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
17
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:46:00 -
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it was supposed to be for the laser rifle. But then the devs typed in scrambler rifle instead. That's the only reason why I can tell they have not buffed the laser rifle yet. Because it is clearly not working as intended. |
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