DUST Search - immanent LOGI BRO nerf... or ASSAULT buff.

Jakar Umbra wrote:

Meeko Fent wrote:

Mirror hi and low slots and base stats between to two classes.

Replace idiotic passive rep bonus with equipment resource reduction.

Done. Fixed. Truebros get improved equip fitting, higher base HP, faster move speed for having normalized potential EHP values with assaults. Murderlogi's get nerfed.

Sorry but no. The suits serve a different purpose, hence the suit having a different slot layout. If I only had two low slots on my Minnie Logi and Five high slots what the hell else would I put there but shields and damage mods? WIth the 4 and 4 at proto I can fit a plate, my kin cat, my codebreaker and still a cardiac regulator for those long distance runs if I need it, while stacking a bit of shields with some extra recharge in the high to increase long term survival, while keeping my equipment at the ready.

The passive rep, for those who don't understand is that the logi is repping others while the suit can sustain itself to keep itself alive longer, thereby keeping those around it alive longer. The Logi does not need adjustments, the Assault suits do. Assaults should be swift (Not as swift as scouts) and have high DPS with decent tank hence why the Assaults should have a damage bonus, with the 10% rollback like I mentioned. Sure they can stack damage mods on top of that, but so can other suits if need be. As long as they keep the CPU/PG roughly the same the tank on assaults would not get absolutely stupid while they have the extra damage from the bonus as well as their damage mods. Plus it would give the GalAssault a worthwhile assault bonus...

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SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 305	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:51:00 - [1] - Quote why do i have the feeling that logistics suits will have high and low slots reduced :/... it is apparent that the LOGISTICS suit is the go to suit for slayers in DUST and we all know CCP doesnt like kill stats being oriantated around one sole specific suit/role with the over use of the drop suit have we doomed ourselves for an impending LOGI nerf? just look what happened to the flaylock.. level 0 forum warrior self-proclaimed slayer weapon of choice: GEK-38 gallante assault rifle -STB infantry
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 135	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:52:00 - [2] - Quote SILVERBACK 02 wrote: why do i have the feeling that logistics suits will have high and low slots reduced :/... Because they should have the same slot count as Assaults.They already have multiple Equipment slots in exchange for the sidearm and and better bonuses.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:55:00 - [3] - Quote You have to admit the Flay Lock out performed most main weapons and was overused as a main weapon therefore it deserved a nerf. The Logi suit currently out performs the assault and is being overused as an assault it will get nerfed or it's counter part buffed or both. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 414	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:57:00 - [4] - Quote Buff assaults. Then work on TTK. Just tired of the stuff I run becoming the FOTM and getting nerfed into the ground. GûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê ]GûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä - Just a bit further... IlGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] ..GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ......GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ xxx xxx xxx
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 131	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:01:00 - [5] - Quote Just swap mod slots. If u want lots of mods go assault, lots of equip, go logi GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 305	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:02:00 - [6] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: Buff assaults. Then work on TTK. Just tired of the stuff I run becoming the FOTM and getting nerfed into the ground. tell me about it... im scared to spec back into MASS DRIVERS because i know some sort of nerf will happen a month after i spend my precious SP :( level 0 forum warrior self-proclaimed slayer weapon of choice: GEK-38 gallante assault rifle -STB infantry
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 352	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:02:00 - [7] - Quote I get the feeling that "true logis" are going to suffer more from whatever adjustments may get made to the logistics class. Unless CCP does the smart thing and simply adjust the assault class instead and give them something with sense like a minor damage bonus, coupled with the 10% damage increase given at Uprising being rolled back. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 416	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:05:00 - [8] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: I get the feeling that "true logis" are going to suffer more from whatever adjustments may get made to the logistics class. Unless CCP does the smart thing and simply adjust the assault class instead and give them something with sense like a minor damage bonus, coupled with the 10% damage increase given at Uprising being rolled back. I don't think this is a bad idea at all. A maxed out Logi suit has a built in Complex repper. Why shouldn't an assault suit have a built in Damage mod? GûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê ]GûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûäGûä - Just a bit further... IlGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] ..GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ......GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñ xxx xxx xxx
M McManus Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 277	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:07:00 - [9] - Quote Buff the assaults/shields logis are fine..
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1624	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:14:00 - [10] - Quote Mirror hi and low slots and base stats between to two classes. Replace idiotic passive rep bonus with equipment resource reduction. Done. Fixed. Truebros get improved equip fitting, higher base HP, faster move speed for having normalized potential EHP values with assaults. Murderlogi's get nerfed. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 621	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:24:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: You have to admit the Flay Lock out performed most main weapons and was overused as a main weapon therefore it deserved a nerf. The Logi suit currently out performs the assault and is being overused as an assault it will get nerfed or it's counter part buffed or both. blah blah buff assaults. that'll hopefully stop this pointless QQ. logis are fine in my opinion, but then again i've been facing the OP for a long time now, so at this point i dont really care. and you guys act like the assault is underpowered. its not. just buff my scout while you're at it. *tries to flank a group of enemies. YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 353	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:26:00 - [12] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Mirror hi and low slots and base stats between to two classes. Replace idiotic passive rep bonus with equipment resource reduction. Done. Fixed. Truebros get improved equip fitting, higher base HP, faster move speed for having normalized potential EHP values with assaults. Murderlogi's get nerfed. Sorry but no. The suits serve a different purpose, hence the suit having a different slot layout. If I only had two low slots on my Minnie Logi and Five high slots what the hell else would I put there but shields and damage mods? WIth the 4 and 4 at proto I can fit a plate, my kin cat, my codebreaker and still a cardiac regulator for those long distance runs if I need it, while stacking a bit of shields with some extra recharge in the high to increase long term survival, while keeping my equipment at the ready. The passive rep, for those who don't understand is that the logi is repping others while the suit can sustain itself to keep itself alive longer, thereby keeping those around it alive longer. The Logi does not need adjustments, the Assault suits do. Assaults should be swift (Not as swift as scouts) and have high DPS with decent tank hence why the Assaults should have a damage bonus, with the 10% rollback like I mentioned. Sure they can stack damage mods on top of that, but so can other suits if need be. As long as they keep the CPU/PG roughly the same the tank on assaults would not get absolutely stupid while they have the extra damage from the bonus as well as their damage mods. Plus it would give the GalAssault a worthwhile assault bonus... Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 478	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:27:00 - [13] - Quote Tactical Nerf inbound. Damn Imperials! Dust 514 belongs to the ARs!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1492	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:35:00 - [14] - Quote The only way to stop the Logi from getting a Nerf is to make it so they have a invalid fitting if they DONT fill their equipment slots, and make it so dmg mods have a higher stacking penalty and draw more CPU/PG then other suits. True Logis do not get a direct Nerf(since they fill their equipment slots first anyway, and can still fit a dmg mod.) And assault Logis go away and start asking for respecs.
DEZKA DIABLO Commando Perkone Caldari State 60	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:39:00 - [15] - Quote Just remove damage mods from being able to be applied to logistic s, have it say invalid fitting, problem solved.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 149	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:51:00 - [16] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Mirror hi and low slots and base stats between to two classes. Replace idiotic passive rep bonus with equipment resource reduction. Done. Fixed. Truebros get improved equip fitting, higher base HP, faster move speed for having normalized potential EHP values with assaults. Murderlogi's get nerfed. Sorry but no. The suits serve a different purpose, hence the suit having a different slot layout. If I only had two low slots on my Minnie Logi and Five high slots what the hell else would I put there but shields and damage mods? WIth the 4 and 4 at proto I can fit a plate, my kin cat, my codebreaker and still a cardiac regulator for those long distance runs if I need it, while stacking a bit of shields with some extra recharge in the high to increase long term survival, while keeping my equipment at the ready. The passive rep, for those who don't understand is that the logi is repping others while the suit can sustain itself to keep itself alive longer, thereby keeping those around it alive longer. The Logi does not need adjustments, the Assault suits do. Assaults should be swift (Not as swift as scouts) and have high DPS with decent tank hence why the Assaults should have a damage bonus, with the 10% rollback like I mentioned. Sure they can stack damage mods on top of that, but so can other suits if need be. As long as they keep the CPU/PG roughly the same the tank on assaults would not get absolutely stupid while they have the extra damage from the bonus as well as their damage mods. Plus it would give the GalAssault a worthwhile assault bonus... I could support a small inherent damage bonus, like 3 percent but not 10, thats too much, I personally think assaults need a cpu pg buff badly so that the suit can be fitted with more complex modules and weapons, to me the defining characteristics of the suit are not in slots but in its movement speed, base hp, faster shield regen, and sidearm capability. The slot layout for the cal assault is similar to the logi once you comsider base hp diffrence, it cant carry the equipment and thats part of the logi envy we see, the ability to make wp with equipment.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 142	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:52:00 - [17] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Just remove damage mods from being able to be applied to logistic s, have it say invalid fitting, problem solved. Lol i like this XD
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:56:00 - [18] - Quote Easy way is give logi's the sidearm only but increase cpu/pg and throw in an extra equipment slot for each suit, also swap the lowslots of the gall assault/logi's and all is hunky dory. and before anyone goes ranting at me that i don't play logi so no idea. well i'm a 30.3m sp gallente logi with pro 5 in my AR but i'd welcome the sidearm only change to force me back into being a 'proper' logi again and i can always put them AR skills into use on my other suits and finally train into another assault suit
The Shadow Prince Harimau Malaya. 2	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:14:00 - [19] - Quote I like the idea of buffing the assault class especially with built in damage bonus. Assaults are suppose to deal damage so why not give the assault suit 1-2% damage increase per level. The logi suits already have built in repper 1hp/s per level. Enough with nerfing just give the assault this buff and work on TTK.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1465	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:50:00 - [20] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Easy way is give logi's the sidearm only but increase cpu/pg and throw in an extra equipment slot for each suit, also swap the lowslots of the gall assault/logi's and all is hunky dory. and before anyone goes ranting at me that i don't play logi so no idea. well i'm a 30.3m sp gallente logi with pro 5 in my AR but i'd welcome the sidearm only change to force me back into being a 'proper' logi again and i can always put them AR skills into use on my other suits and finally train into another assault suit Amarr logi should carry two sidearms if this happened. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.

Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 217	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:52:00 - [21] - Quote The way to solve the "Logigate" is simply as breathe. Make equip slot mandatory for deploy like weapon, and ONLY one must be on par with the meta of the suit. END OF ALL PROBLEMS ...and may the FORGE be with you.
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 189	Posted - 2013.11.21 16:11:00 - [22] - Quote Jastad wrote: The way to solve the "Logigate" is simply as breathe. Make equip slot mandatory for deploy like weapon, and ONLY one must be on par with the meta of the suit. END OF ALL PROBLEMS but those who use it as an assault will slap in a proto uplink or hive and then just use basic for rest the stuff and still roll around better than the assaults. all thats doing is making someone put in some basic equipment. it wouldn't solve jack s*** I can run a bunch of proto equipment and duvolle and 3 complex damage mods while still having 802 armor hp on it. it'd perhaps lower some of the ability of the other suits but they would stil probably out do the assaults
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 150	Posted - 2013.11.21 22:00:00 - [23] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Easy way is give logi's the sidearm only but increase cpu/pg and throw in an extra equipment slot for each suit, also swap the lowslots of the gall assault/logi's and all is hunky dory. and before anyone goes ranting at me that i don't play logi so no idea. well i'm a 30.3m sp gallente logi with pro 5 in my AR but i'd welcome the sidearm only change to force me back into being a 'proper' logi again and i can always put them AR skills into use on my other suits and finally train into another assault suit Because somehow you developed the made up idea in your head that logis arent supposed to be good at killing?
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 150	Posted - 2013.11.21 22:04:00 - [24] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Jastad wrote: The way to solve the "Logigate" is simply as breathe. Make equip slot mandatory for deploy like weapon, and ONLY one must be on par with the meta of the suit. END OF ALL PROBLEMS but those who use it as an assault will slap in a proto uplink or hive and then just use basic for rest the stuff and still roll around better than the assaults. all thats doing is making someone put in some basic equipment. it wouldn't solve jack s*** I can run a bunch of proto equipment and duvolle and 3 complex damage mods while still having 802 armor hp on it. it'd perhaps lower some of the ability of the other suits but they would stil probably out do the assaults Killing people does not mean we use it as assault, it just means the guy in the logi suit is better than the guy in the assault. Sometimes good assault players beat logis. But the facts are ALOT of great shooters in this game run logi and will still own you in an assault suit.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC Intara Direct Action Caldari State 150	Posted - 2013.11.21 22:52:00 - [25] - Quote The problem in these topics is always the same, mercs only look at what the logi can do. You should take the time to discern what the diffrences are between assault and logi. Yes logis can stack more ehp, and obviously we can carry more equipment which when used to stand in triage hives and fight can give certain suits a great advantage, we also excel at making war points due in large part to this equipment ability. But you must consider all diffrences not just those you envy. Can my cal logi tank more ehp? Yes, but the assault has more base ehp, the assault is faster, has more shield regen, shorter delay, more stamina, faster stamina recovery, and a sidearm, now assault users want all of that and the same ehp? The same equipment slots? The same ability to stack damage mods? Who is creating the imbalance here? Assaults need bonuses that are better and more cpu pg to actually fit a good suit, but saying they need to just be better than logis out of the gate is not balanced. Contrary to what you think about your self many times its not that logi suit that is beating you it is a superior player.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 3838	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:01:00 - [26] - Quote Black and white logical fallacy: "Also known as the false dilemma, this insidious tactic has the appearance of forming a logical argument, but under closer scrutiny it becomes evident that there are more possibilities than the either/or choice that is presented. Binary, black-or-white thinking doesn't allow for the many different variables, conditions, and contexts in which there would exist more than just the two possibilities put forth. It frames the argument misleadingly and obscures rational, honest debate." This isn't a black and white thing, many things can be done, at the same time, all of them can be buffs and nerfs. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 326	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:41:00 - [27] - Quote bump. seeing as CCP logi bro HAS BLOWN THIS ISSUE OUT OF PROPOERTION :p level 0 forum warrior self-proclaimed slayer weapon of choice: GEK-38 gallante assault rifle -STB infantry
kayn TARON Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 20	Posted - 2013.11.27 23:41:00 - [28] - Quote Easier to nerf one class rather than buff the heavies, scouts, assaults etc. There are many ways to work this to stop them from being slayers from reduced slots with increased based HP, to well the forums are full of some really great examples. Personally I'v been pushing for only allowing one damage mod per suit, with a CPU, and PG nerf to logies while giving the other logi suits similar bonuses like what the Gal Logi has to make up for the CPU and PG.


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