DUST Search - Why the 80 million PS3's argument is not valid

Paran Tadec wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games.
Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts?

Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games?
People get bored from those and then what?
Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4...
I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this...
Hmm... This game sounds interesting...
And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player.

Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily.

Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest.

Note:
No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4.

But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues?

That is true.
But even with the bad exposure and a at best mediocre game got 30k players, it can't do any worse on the PS4, it could even do better.

All PS4 would do is raise the bar which CCP would fail to meet. They can't even balance the game or fix bugs/glitches that have persisted 12+ months.

Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4592	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:51:00 - [1] - Quote On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1666	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:53:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. Laser focused. ::sigh:: Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2117	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:54:00 - [3] - Quote But theres 80 million people worldwide that own a PS3! [Insert angry/displeased face here]
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3827	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:55:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4592	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:55:00 - [5] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: But theres 80 million people worldwide that own a PS3! [Insert angry/displeased face here] I loled. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:55:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: fact: call of doody hogs 50 million players from deserving games fact: call of doody is THE worst fps and should die out already fact: there will be a "new" call of doody in 2014 by activision recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4592	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:56:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues? That is true. But even with the bad exposure and a at best mediocre game got 30k players, it can't do any worse on the PS4, it could even do better. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1666	Posted - 2013.11.20 12:58:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues? That is true. But even with the bad exposure and a at best mediocre game got 30k players, it can't do any worse on the PS4, it could even do better. All PS4 would do is raise the bar which CCP would fail to meet. They can't even balance the game or fix bugs/glitches that have persisted 12+ months. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 106	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:01:00 - [9] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: fact: call of doody hogs 50 million players from deserving games fact: call of doody is THE worst fps and should die out already fact: there will be a "new" call of doody in 2014 by activision recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4593	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:03:00 - [10] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues? That is true. But even with the bad exposure and a at best mediocre game got 30k players, it can't do any worse on the PS4, it could even do better. All PS4 would do is raise the bar which CCP would fail to meet. They can't even balance the game or fix bugs/glitches that have persisted 12+ months. To be fair, PS4 is an easier platform to program for. At least we would have 60FPS @ 1080p. And increased player counts because much more beefy CPU. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 559	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:21:00 - [11] - Quote I wonder how many of those PS3s that are actually connected and running, with internet connection, right now...? Also, PS4 is just a PC with a nice looking chassis and a controller. I rather see dust on the PC. THAT would be exposure. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
dazlb72 HELGHAN EXILES 125	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:25:00 - [12] - Quote If theres 80 million PS3's and 10,000 people a day log into dust (and i think i'm being generous with that number) thats 0.125% of the player base. 1 million PS4's were sold on day 1 release in america, so even if 500 of them were dust players how many of them will keep coming back to a ps3 game? thats not even including the european players that will get one next friday. Do ccp really think that they can increase the player base on this system? anyone who was interested in trying this has probably already downloaded it, considering its been available since february. i don't think the muslims breed suicide bombers. They just suffer more from spontaneous combustion
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4593	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:27:00 - [13] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: I wonder how many of those PS3s that are actually connected and running, with internet connection, right now...? Also, PS4 is just a PC with a nice looking chassis and a controller. I rather see dust on the PC. THAT would be exposure. For EVE players. Which is a zero gain system. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cpt Merdock The Exemplars Top Men. 121	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:34:00 - [14] - Quote Dust should never be on PC. Defeats the purpose of its biggest advertisement feature.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 559	Posted - 2013.11.20 13:50:00 - [15] - Quote I dont know Cpt Merdock, would at least be nice to not be locked down to 30 or 60 fps. Console is awesome since it is not as easy to hack it. Still possible, but very hard. Keyboard and mouse support needs vast improvements though. Also, people leave (right we see now) but there will always be a HUGE pool of new players coming to the game. I think this is why we see a steady 4000 player number. Right now Dust is obviously going through a tough time, but Planetside 2, WoW and other games are also taking a huge hit from PS4 release. So it is not just Dust 514 being affected, for sure. Other gaming companies will stop developing PS3 titles from now on I guess, and people might be attracted to Dust just because of that reason, maybe they dont want to buy a ps4 yet (or can afford it) and Dust looks like an interesting and good game. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1944	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:00:00 - [16] - Quote This Is just one of many shockingly bad calls made by ccp I have no idea how this studio produced eve. Then again once star citizen hits it might kickstart the spacesim genera again giving eve some comp "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 559	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:06:00 - [17] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: This Is just one of many shockingly bad calls made by ccp I have no idea how this studio produced eve. Then again once star citizen hits it might kickstart the spacesim genera again giving eve some comp Lets see how it all turns out. I-¦m just chillin. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1710	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:28:00 - [18] - Quote Stop asking for a PS4 port DUST is **** right now, crap modes, half the suits and vehicles missing, barely any weapons unless you like ARs It would be an embarassment on PS4
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4599	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:43:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Stop asking for a PS4 port DUST is **** right now, crap modes, half the suits and vehicles missing, barely any weapons unless you like ARs It would be an embarassment on PS4 Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Sentient Archon 1320	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:46:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Meh I doubt even 5 K people login and actually play. I used to login to Dust everyday just to get my 6 K SP and then log off. How many people do you think login and actually play then game. Less than 2000. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.

Sentient Archon 1322	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:48:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. CCP loves their statistics. Everything they do is by graphs, data and statistics. Statistically speaking statistics are right 13% of the time. The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1944	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:05:00 - [22] - Quote Which is silly way of doing things making games is an art not a science "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 239	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:12:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: I wonder how many of those PS3s that are actually connected and running, with internet connection, right now...? Also, PS4 is just a PC with a nice looking chassis and a controller. I rather see dust on the PC. THAT would be exposure. For EVE players. Which is a zero gain system. Not really - I'm primarily a PC gamer, and EVE bores me...yet, I'm addicted to Dust. I think you're absolutely right that there would be some cannibalism, but the only way we'll ever know if the cannibalism would be more detrimental than the player gain through availability on the platform beneficial, is if CCP does it. RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4603	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:16:00 - [24] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: I wonder how many of those PS3s that are actually connected and running, with internet connection, right now...? Also, PS4 is just a PC with a nice looking chassis and a controller. I rather see dust on the PC. THAT would be exposure. For EVE players. Which is a zero gain system. Not really - I'm primarily a PC gamer, and EVE bores me...yet, I'm addicted to Dust. I think you're absolutely right that there would be some cannibalism, but the only way we'll ever know if the cannibalism would be more detrimental than the player gain through availability on the platform beneficial, is if CCP does it. I think it can be predicted very well. I think at best tranquility (Dust + EVE) will gain 1000 players in every hour of the day. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1341	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:31:00 - [25] - Quote Nobody is buying a PS4 for F2P games. They're buying it because they think they need to have the newest, shiniest thing they can get in hopes of impressing somebody that probably didn't give a **** in the first place. Cheeseburgers.
dazlb72 HELGHAN EXILES 125	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:46:00 - [26] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Nobody is buying a PS4 for F2P games. They're buying it because they think they need to have the newest, shiniest thing they can get in hopes of impressing somebody that probably didn't give a **** in the first place. I'm getting it for killzone, watchdogs, destiny and infamous. i don't think the muslims breed suicide bombers. They just suffer more from spontaneous combustion
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4610	Posted - 2013.11.20 15:47:00 - [27] - Quote dazlb72 wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Nobody is buying a PS4 for F2P games. They're buying it because they think they need to have the newest, shiniest thing they can get in hopes of impressing somebody that probably didn't give a **** in the first place. I'm getting it for killzone, watchdogs, destiny and infamous. PS2 and Blacklight Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1258	Posted - 2013.11.20 16:10:00 - [28] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues? ^ Aha. Only a few post before an intrepid merc makes the core observation. +1 Mobius. I won't belabor the consequent chain of logic that follows this observation, it should be obvious and ends with the conclusion that the PS3 is the best place for DUST to be right now. As far as speculation as to the size of the potential market availiable to free-to-play PS3 games, we've got past experience to look at with the PS2. By any measure, we will not be starved for potential players on PS3 because it is definitely not the bottleneck for server population, and is at best only a very minor factor re: player retention. The wounds from our first release are still angry pink and scabbed over. A second premature release will only serve to rip open those scabs and drive the blades in a second time, and DUST will go from being an over-earnest wounded young warrior to a global laughing stock. Let's nor hand our enemies our beating hearts - make them work for it. I support SP rollover.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 560	Posted - 2013.11.20 16:17:00 - [29] - Quote I believe that PS3 slim could soon cost like $100. That is the cost of a collectors edition game. Imagine if CCP makes this game good until feb-march next year, and starts bundling ps3s with Dust packs. Then, **** could hit the fan (in a positive way). Second hand ps3s can probably be found for $20-30. ;) I wonder how CCP is reasoning about this. We will never know, since that would be highly classified business information... KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 182	Posted - 2013.11.20 17:23:00 - [30] - Quote they don't need a full ps4 version. just a ps4 compatable client that runs it as it is now. 95% the game is server side its just the jiggery pokery in the client to access tranquility



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