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Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3835	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:45:00 - [31] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues? That is true. But even with the bad exposure and a at best mediocre game got 30k players, it can't do any worse on the PS4, it could even do better. That is true... Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2123	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:52:00 - [32] - Quote Interesting fact on this topic. The PlayStation 4 sold 1 million units on its first day of release in America, which is the greatest sales figures of all time! And heres some other past releases for context (these figures are based off monthly releases and they are approximations) GBA :: 900,000 units, Xbox :: 700,00 units, Game Cube :: 650,00 units, Nintendo DS :: 450,00 units, PSP :: 600,00 units, Xbox 360 :: 300,000 units, PS3 :: 200,000 units, Nintendo Wii :: 450,00 units, Nintendo 3DS :: 400,000 units, Vita :: 200,000 units, Nintendo Wii U :: 425,000 units, So did CCP underestimate the PS4GÇÖs sale success which resulted in the non development for Dust PS4? Anyway I thought some of you might have found this information interesting.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 562	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:54:00 - [33] - Quote dust would have to compete with warframe for F2P futuristic MMO shooter, and would fail miserably, as warframe is available day 1 launch while being a AAA co op PVE third person RPG shooter and is amazing. then itd also have to compete with PS2, and PS2 does what dust wants to do, while being fun. dust would just have too much competition in the F2P market, i mean sh it im thinking about getting a PS4 just for warframe, and if idid id never even think about dust again.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2124	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:13:00 - [34] - Quote Also what's funny is SonyGÇÖs worldwide first month estimated unit sale figure is 514 million. Its almost like Sony wants Dust to be developed for PS4. Coincidence? :D
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 574	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:24:00 - [35] - Quote CCP knew it was a bullshit line when they said the "80 million PS3" line, but the reality is that launching DUST on the PS4 in its current state would be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. Once we have the missing suits/vehicles/weapons being used and balanced with a reasonable TTK, the connections to EVE mentioned at Vegas (FW 2.0, PC 2.0, P2P market), and a solid NPE, I think it will be time for CCP to push hard at getting DUST onto the PS4 with the Unreal 4 engine (maybe by fanfest 2015). It should be marketed as a major relaunch, and hopefully we'll get a new set of reviews, and some marketing dollars behind it. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1759	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:44:00 - [36] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: CCP knew it was a bullshit line when they said the "80 million PS3" line, but the reality is that launching DUST on the PS4 in its current state would be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. Once we have the missing suits/vehicles/weapons being used and balanced with a reasonable TTK, the connections to EVE mentioned at Vegas (FW 2.0, PC 2.0, P2P market), and a solid NPE, I think it will be time for CCP to push hard at getting DUST onto the PS4 with the Unreal 4 engine (maybe by fanfest 2015). It should be marketed as a major relaunch, and hopefully we'll get a new set of reviews, and some marketing dollars behind it. This^^ Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Asirius Medaius 677	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:05:00 - [37] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. You, me, and various others call this "marketing logic", and we all know CCP could make a killing off of the PS4 once everyone gets bored with the lack of early good exclusives; I would have made that my time to strike if I were CCP. Instead, they want to keep supporting this console which will phase out in a couple years (or sooner). It's CCP's prerogative to use their course of action... Just as it is mine to buy a PS4 immediately when one is in stock at a close retailer (missed one at launch, now I'll just play Dust until one is available to buy, which won't be long). Signature coming soonGäó. [Level 9 Forum Warrior]
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 33	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:11:00 - [38] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Nobody is buying a PS4 for F2P games. They're buying it because they think they need to have the newest, shiniest thing they can get in hopes of impressing somebody that probably didn't give a **** in the first place. Erm, well just call me Nobody, TnX U Sony for PLANETSIDE 2 which is comming to the PS4 :) SooN and Not TM we will also have the BETA of PLANETSIDE 2 on the PS4 Now let me see here it's an FPS game with 2000 Players in the same battle at the same time 64km squared maps, Ground Vehiles and Air Craft , a persistant war and in ULTRA Graphics compared to the PC version Yez U R SooO right NOBODY will buy the PS4 for a F2P FPS game Planetside 2 PS4 Trailer E3 This Year : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2BGK6-YD4 Planetside 2 Hossin : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJocvg1CIpc#t=37 Peac3
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 481	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:24:00 - [39] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues? Granted I am a Dust fan, but it is better than the F2P offering currently available on PS4
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 481	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:26:00 - [40] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. You, me, and various others call this "marketing logic", and we all know CCP could make a killing off of the PS4 once everyone gets bored with the lack of early good exclusives; I would have made that my time to strike if I were CCP. Instead, they want to keep supporting this console which will phase out in a couple years (or sooner). It's CCP's prerogative to use their course of action... Just as it is mine to buy a PS4 immediately when one is in stock at a close retailer (missed one at launch, now I'll just play Dust until one is available to buy, which won't be long). I don't understand why it has to be a choice of PS3 or PS4, it should be on both right now with a slow phase out of the PS3. I'm sure that is what Sony is going to do with DCUO

Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 575	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:11:00 - [41] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I don't understand why it has to be a choice of PS3 or PS4, it should be on both right now with a slow phase out of the PS3. I'm sure that is what Sony is going to do with DCUO I'm guessing you've never coded anything before... When CCP starts developing on two different platforms of two different generations using 2 different versions of the Unreal engine, changes, finding and fixing bugs, balancing etc. is going to take at least 4x longer than it does today. It is going to be a MAJOR project getting both versions of the game going simultaneously on both platforms. I want DUST to be in decent shape when this happens because it's going to be 1000x harder if the game still has so many glaring issues. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
crazy space 1 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 1998	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:27:00 - [42] - Quote it's unreal 3 porting would just make the game easier and faster to make They an limit us ps3 players to public battles and start making the rest only on ps4 Factional warfare and such, or throw the ps3 under the bus alltogether. There are 2 million PS4s out , there are only 2000 people that notice dust is a game at a time. It would stop this nonsense where we can't get things like trees... or more tanks...
The legend345 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4240	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:30:00 - [43] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. But do we want exposure for a game that still has many persisting issues? That is true. But even with the bad exposure and a at best mediocre game got 30k players, it can't do any worse on the PS4, it could even do better. All PS4 would do is raise the bar which CCP would fail to meet. They can't even balance the game or fix bugs/glitches that have persisted 12+ months. Amen Tanker
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2275	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:41:00 - [44] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. Laser focused. ::sigh:: Too bad their lasers are broken and out ranged by all other form of AR.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1260	Posted - 2013.11.21 00:43:00 - [45] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Vell0cet wrote: CCP knew it was a bullshit line when they said the "80 million PS3" line, but the reality is that launching DUST on the PS4 in its current state would be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. Once we have the missing suits/vehicles/weapons being used and balanced with a reasonable TTK, the connections to EVE mentioned at Vegas (FW 2.0, PC 2.0, P2P market), and a solid NPE, I think it will be time for CCP to push hard at getting DUST onto the PS4 with the Unreal 4 engine (maybe by fanfest 2015). It should be marketed as a major relaunch, and hopefully we'll get a new set of reviews, and some marketing dollars behind it. This^^ ^^This I support SP rollover.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 483	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:13:00 - [46] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: I don't understand why it has to be a choice of PS3 or PS4, it should be on both right now with a slow phase out of the PS3. I'm sure that is what Sony is going to do with DCUO I'm guessing you've never coded anything before... When CCP starts developing on two different platforms of two different generations using 2 different versions of the Unreal engine, changes, finding and fixing bugs, balancing etc. is going to take at least 4x longer than it does today. It is going to be a MAJOR project getting both versions of the game going simultaneously on both platforms. I want DUST to be in decent shape when this happens because it's going to be 1000x harder if the game still has so many glaring issues. You are right I haven't, thanks for explaining. I get it then, Sony could do it because they are a giant company and CCP can't because they are a much smaller company. Makes sense.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1252	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:54:00 - [47] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. Cat..... we don't want exposure right now. The game isn't ready enough. Right now only the hipsters play this game consistently, we need PVE, and improved FW before I think it would be worth trying to advertise this game. Marston VC, STB director
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4683	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:50:00 - [48] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. Cat..... we don't want exposure right now. The game isn't ready enough. Right now only the hipsters play this game consistently, we need PVE, and improved FW before I think it would be worth trying to advertise this game. Hey I'm not a hipster! . . . Then again, I spend more time on the forums than on the actual game. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 3077	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:08:00 - [49] - Quote As others have said... CCP was kinda smart in a way to not get on ps4. Why? Cuz this game sucks lol. Compared to the games that would be on ps4, this game would get demolished in terms of... Everything... Oh well.... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 3
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 655	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:11:00 - [50] - Quote Lol if Dust comes to PS4 I wonder how many ppl will decide to switch to Xbox. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

Agent Monroe Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:17:00 - [51] - Quote Dust belongs on the PS4 the day it has PvP arenas, PvE, all racial variants of everything. Whatever else CCP plans on adding in the next few years. Better graphics, did I mention PvE. Oh and a decent tutorial.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 626	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:27:00 - [52] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. I have bean talking about this half a year ago, and nop. nope. No one was interested in hearing the opinion of a game with 20+ years of gaming and gaming marked experience (yes you read it right). PS4 was the biggest chance for Dust, even if this game is not half what it should have been before the release, it is free and it could have a very big inflow of new and old players. But well. **** it. Dust will come one the PS4 when there a like 100 others first person shooters, and there will be no place for this game to even stand out or show that this game exist. The most PS3 owners didn't even know that this game exist. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1764	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:32:00 - [53] - Quote meri jin wrote: Cat Merc wrote: On the PS3, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of games. Out of all of those games, do you really expect people to see Dust 514 with no adverts? Now, use your brain for this one, what happens with a new console, with only 5-10 games? People get bored from those and then what? Oh wait, look at that, a free to play shooter on the PS4... I am getting kind of bored from Killzone Shadow Fall and Blacklight, let me see this... Hmm... This game sounds interesting... And there you have it, a new Dust 514 player. Also, PS4 sold a million units on day one, Dust at best has 30k active players that login daily. Now would be the perfect time to release Dust 514 on the PS4, where exposure would be the highest. Note: No, I'm not pushing for a PS4 version, I'm just debunking the idea that because there are 80 million PS3's the game will do here better than on the PS4. I have bean talking about this half a year ago, and nop. nope. No one was interested in hearing the opinion of a game with 20+ years of gaming and gaming marked experience (yes you read it right). PS4 was the biggest chance for Dust, even if this game is not half what it should have been before the release, it is free and it could have a very big inflow of new and old players. But well. **** it. Dust will come one the PS4 when there a like 100 others first person shooters, and there will be no place for this game to even stand out or show that this game exist. The most PS3 owners didn't even know that this game exist. Hey your sig needs a grammar check... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 626	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:52:00 - [54] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I don't understand why it has to be a choice of PS3 or PS4, it should be on both right now with a slow phase out of the PS3. I'm sure that is what Sony is going to do with DCUO Yeah, I would like to see that es well. @Killar-12 No. If you are rich in New Eden, you can do what ever you like. Even blow up freighter in Jita. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 510	Posted - 2013.12.01 22:07:00 - [55] - Quote All I want to know is this little issue. Transition from the ps3 to next gen console (DUST hasn't been confirmed in the PS4 yet...) Will we be able to play both in PS3 and PS4? Is this really hard to do, or is the way CCP will probably go ? They should try to answer this to their player base in EVE Fest next year (Hope they see this, and they do) A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!


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