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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:39:00 -
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ARs (prepare to be outranged by every other rifle)
Tanks (welcome to 25 mil to max out one tank and turret type)
AV (did the forges, swarms, and yolonade lovers like their nerfs)
Scouts (missing 2 of your racial varients which will come soonTM)
Heavies (missing 2 heavy weapons and 3 racial varients which will come soonTM)
That covers about 90% of the playerbase.
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Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
301
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:42:00 -
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It's what makes this game unique. Some of us actually value that this game isn't another CoD or BF.
The only thing that would constitute a respec is dramatic changes to skills (such as 1.7 is bringing, and only then it's to vehicles) or, in my own opinion, the release of all racial variants of suits and vehicles, which hopefully can be done all at once for one final respec and no more.
Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 10
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ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
120
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:42:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:ARs (prepare to be outranged by every other rifle)
Tanks (welcome to 25 mil to max out one tank and turret type)
AV (did the forges, swarms, and yolonade lovers like their nerfs)
Scouts (missing 2 of your racial varients which will come soonTM)
Heavies (missing 2 heavy weapons and 3 racial varients which will come soonTM)
That covers about 90% of the playerbase.
AGAIN IVE SAID IT 651981098108 times.
CCP Needs to give us a respec. EVERYONE
How can they hope for us to ''carefully plan'' our SP investment when they keep changing EVERYTHING?
I want to be an amarr scout. So what? in order to play competivly i need to or EITHER PLAY MLT all the time or not play at all until they are released?
Or spend my SP (as i already did) in OTHER racial suits and when amarr scouts are released Grind for 3-4 months to get an amarr protoscout ?
BS i tell you. |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
100
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:45:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:ARs (prepare to be outranged by every other rifle)
Tanks (welcome to 25 mil to max out one tank and turret type)
AV (did the forges, swarms, and yolonade lovers like their nerfs)
Scouts (missing 2 of your racial varients which will come soonTM)
Heavies (missing 2 heavy weapons and 3 racial varients which will come soonTM)
That covers about 90% of the playerbase.
i only have 11.2 mil sp, needless to say i might go infantry more cuz 10 mil sp to get std turret with std modules
recuruit link
5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
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HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
345
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:47:00 -
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If I get a respec many people are "f'd"
Noobs more than anyone.
You are welcome for my leadership
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ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
120
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:53:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:If I get a respec many people are "f'd"
Noobs more than anyone.
This is a common way of thinking that is sadly mistaken.
Noobs are f*d nevertheless because they are spending SP in stuff they want to test out.
People like me willbe able to play to a true level,so im NOT scared of ANYONE with a general respec. If i do good playing SOLO,vs Full corp squads,with ADV-BASIC gear, i can smell what i will do with proto gear and a perfect skill set.....
GÖª Newbs geta chance to reinves in stuff they ACTUALLY want.
GÖª People with f*d Skill books like the soon to come Vehicle drivers,pilots and AV, or people already f*d like SCOUTS,commandos and Heavies, have a chance to redo their skill set for more effective results.
I dont know why so many people are so scared about playing Vs players on an equal ground.... |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10417
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Posted - 2013.11.20 04:58:00 -
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Amarr Crucifier (basically an amarr scout in Dust 514 terms)
CPU Management V
Electronic Warfare V
Weapon Disruption V
Long Distance Jamming V
Frequency MOdulation V
Turret Destabilization V
Shield Operation V
Shield Management V
Power Grid Management V
Warp Drive Operation V
Navigation V
Afterburner V
Fuel Conservation V
Acceleration Control V
Evasive Maneuvering V
High Speed Maneuvering
Spaceship Command V
Gunnery V
Energy Grid UPgrades V
CPU Management V
Advanced Weapon Upgrades V
Science I
Weapon Upgrades V
Capacitor Systems Operation V
Capacitor Management V
Energy Grid Upgrade V
Mechanics V
Repair Systems V
Hull Upgrades V
Armor Layering V
EM Armor Compensation V
Explosive Armor Compensation V
Kinetic Armor Compensation V
Thermic Armor Compensation V
Radar Sensor Compensation V
Long Range Targeting V
Target Management V
Signature Analysis V
Controlled Bursts V
Motion Prediction V
Rapid Firing V
Sharpshooter V
Small Beam Laser Specialization V
Small Pulse Laser Specialization V
Small Energy Turret V
Surgical Strike V
Trajectory Analysis V
Amarr Drone Specialization V
Caldari Drone Specialization V
Minmatar Drone Specialization V
Gallente Drone Specialization V
Combat Drone Operation V
Drone Durability V
Drone Interfacing V
Drone Navigation V
Drone Sharpshooting V
Drones V
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing V
Scout Drone Operation V
Cynosural Field Theory V
and to train this all faster we assumed you also trained
Cybernetics V
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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CharCharOdell
1587
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:My Amarr Crucifier (basically an amarr scout in Dust 514 terms) requires these following maximum skills to be considered effective by the dust 514 terms of meaningful.
Amarr Frigate V
CPU Management V
Electronic Warfare V
Weapon Disruption V
Long Distance Jamming V
Frequency MOdulation V
Turret Destabilization V
Shield Operation V
Shield Management V
Power Grid Management V
Warp Drive Operation V
Navigation V
Afterburner V
Fuel Conservation V
Acceleration Control V
Evasive Maneuvering V
High Speed Maneuvering
Spaceship Command V
Gunnery V
Energy Grid UPgrades V
CPU Management V
Advanced Weapon Upgrades V
Science I
Weapon Upgrades V
Capacitor Systems Operation V
Capacitor Management V
Energy Grid Upgrade V
Mechanics V
Repair Systems V
Hull Upgrades V
Armor Layering V
EM Armor Compensation V
Explosive Armor Compensation V
Kinetic Armor Compensation V
Thermic Armor Compensation V
Radar Sensor Compensation V
Long Range Targeting V
Target Management V
Signature Analysis V
Controlled Bursts V
Motion Prediction V
Rapid Firing V
Sharpshooter V
Small Beam Laser Specialization V
Small Pulse Laser Specialization V
Small Energy Turret V
Surgical Strike V
Trajectory Analysis V
Amarr Drone Specialization V
Caldari Drone Specialization V
Minmatar Drone Specialization V
Gallente Drone Specialization V
Combat Drone Operation V
Drone Durability V
Drone Interfacing V
Drone Navigation V
Drone Sharpshooting V
Drones V
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing V
Scout Drone Operation V
Cynosural Field Theory V
and to train this all faster we assumed you also trained
Cybernetics V
I have only 150,000,000 SP I earn about 2 million SP a month.
All skills listed are useful elsewhere.
no one cares, fanboi
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Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
Relentless Heroes Alliance
467
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:18:00 -
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OP
You used a double negative in your post title. 0/10
Bringing up the same crap again. (-)100/10 for originality
Timing after the god weapons AR and swarm getting a range reduction 2/10 (I caved, feeling generous)
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
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EternalRMG
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
605
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:29:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:OP
You used a double negative in your post title. 0/10
Bringing up the same crap again. (-)100/10 for originality
Timing after the god weapons AR and swarm getting a range reduction 2/10 (I caved, feeling generous)
please say the titel in another way withotu double negative without making the OP post loose sense
"Fight Togheter; Win Together"
Duster Since: July 2012
Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10418
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:33:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:OP
You used a double negative in your post title. 0/10
Bringing up the same crap again. (-)100/10 for originality
Timing after the god weapons AR and swarm getting a range reduction 2/10 (I caved, feeling generous) please say the titel in another way withotu double negative without making the OP post loose sense
Challenge Accepted.
"People who will not benefit from the respecs."
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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CharCharOdell
1595
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:34:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:OP
You used a double negative in your post title. 0/10
Bringing up the same crap again. (-)100/10 for originality
Timing after the god weapons AR and swarm getting a range reduction 2/10 (I caved, feeling generous)
grammar trolling is the lowest form of trolling. you are bad. that is all.
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Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó
Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
559
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:57:00 -
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IWS: When do we see a similar revamp of the dropsuit skill tree as the vehicle skill tree? Any discussions ongoing about this?
KDR > ALL
ME > KDR
ME > ALL
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
846
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:09:00 -
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I'd actually be a bit troubled to respec. At one point in time, I could of used it, but not now. I'm not against it though. Would just mean me putting everything just about where it is now.
I also just came from a game where I'm reassured about how I skilled. I had gotten one of my greatest deaths in it. I like to share stories, so get story raped.
I was being a logibro in an Ambush game (I was somehow thrown into there while trying to join a FW game) and I was doing my duties and whatnot, resupplying, patching up, spawn uplinking. I'm up near the front, keeping people from plopping over from all the hellish gunfire from above (you see, they were at the height advantage the entire game, so we were fighting to the top). So, I die twice from Plasma Rifle, blah blah blah. Keep doing what I was doing. Near the end of the game, some ************ in a dropship comes flying over to us, hits a rock with his top, ROLLS, and splats me with his top. I'm not even mad. I thought it was absolutely hilarious. I ended the game at a 0-3, 1980 WP. We lost, but I thought it was great. Reminded me of old logibro times.
On that note, good work, Grease Spillett, with keeping them at bay with the Duvolle Tactical. And people keep saying it sucks.
"I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
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Argent Mordred
DUST University
Ivy League
21
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:26:00 -
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The issue is that we need a complete wipe once all the racial content is added. Currently there are vast differences in the amount of money as beta players kept all their money and probably had less expenses during the beta. Balancing between experienced players (and all players in general) having too much money and too little money is impossible when major content is missing; and properly calculating and balancing money sinks is impossible when there are so vast differences in savings. A money sink for a player with 100 million would be instant poverty to a player with two million.
This game really is more of an extended open beta than the actual full release. So I think that everyone should have their money reset and maybe their stats as well once CCP gets all the infantry weapons (maybe wait until all the standard racial vehicles and weapons are out.) A lot of players have more sp and money than they know what to do with or could ever spend. So, while it will be unpopular, I honestly think a complete reset for everyone is fair. That way everyone starts with a clean slate, and though people will be unhappy about repeating what they have already done, eventually every player will rise to where their ability puts them. |
GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
622
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:47:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:ARs (prepare to be outranged by every other rifle)
Tanks (welcome to 25 mil to max out one tank and turret type)
AV (did the forges, swarms, and yolonade lovers like their nerfs)
Scouts (missing 2 of your racial varients which will come soonTM)
Heavies (missing 2 heavy weapons and 3 racial varients which will come soonTM)
That covers about 90% of the playerbase.
Medium frame users will at worst take 2 weeks to get to prof 3, or 4 with boosters on which ever of the new rifles appears dominant. Not the end of the world.
Swarms got nerfed, but they are scrubs anyway, so F them. AV nades as well, who cares.
FG is pretty much intact right now.
Scouts and heavies will always be last at the table. They don't need a respec until the suits finally come out. Just refund their heavy or scout dropsuit SP and call it a day.
Tanks, yes we are getting some serious SP sinks, but at the same time, I am getting several million back from skills I didn't really need, so I should come out of it with two built turrets and some very solid vehicle skills.
You just want a total respec so you can dump everything into vehicles.
Looks like all that SP into enforcers is going to work out well for me.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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J0hlss0n
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
42
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:04:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Heavies (missing 2 heavy weapons and 3 racial varients which will come soonTM)
I've saved up close to 2,5 mil SP right now in hopes of new heavy suits coming... SOON... it keeps growing each week while I still sit with the same old heavy with the same olf forge/hmg... but I'd love a respec once the new heavies launch, got a couple of mil into LAVs, Dropships, Logis and Scouts I'd love to put into the new heavies/heavy weapons...
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Thumb Green
Novashift
517
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Posted - 2013.11.20 15:21:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:
You just want a total respec so you can dump everything into vehicles.
As far as I'm aware Odell is a tanker.
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:EternalRMG wrote:
please say the titel in another way withotu double negative without making the OP post loose sense
Challenge Accepted. "People who will not benefit from the respecs."
IWS, stop proving you're an idiot.
Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10447
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:38:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:IWS: When do we see a similar revamp of the dropsuit skill tree as the vehicle skill tree? Any discussions ongoing about this?
I got a fugly stick ready, I need to hear the full tree plan first before I start swinging, remember I am a teiricide proponent and don't like the current 'progression' of suits.
if it where up to me i'd give everyone prototype slot layout but use the skills to adjust fitting (we're talking like 10-15% fitting bonuses) to adjust what sort of level of equipment the suit or vehicle could fit. Then as needed spread the love out on the fitting skills like 1-5% on dropsuit command 5-10% on the specific suit.
Suits and vehicles would then have localized bonuses that are not fitting based (unless its a role thing) like sensors, reppers ect ect.
Neo suits and vehicles would then shift to non-bonusable preset fittings or perks (but not both) equal to as if you trained a set of skill sot a certain level.
This would allow base suit classes to gain multiple forms (and models as well) so for example lets say they have two medium suits, one medium suit harkens to the like of a baby assault, while the other harkens to the like of a baby logi. Both use the medium suit bonus but both have different slot approaches and are very flexible on how the bonus local to the suit plays out. Where as the specialist suits are very darn specific. Like you can have two different logis the repair type of logi and the support type logi. Or two types of assaults one more rifle like and maybe the other has two grenade slots or something.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
731
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I got a fugly stick ready, I need to hear the full tree plan first before I start swinging, remember I am a teiricide purponent and don't like the current 'progression' of suits.
if it where up to me i'd give everyone prototype slot layout but use the skills to adjust fitting (we're talking like 10-15% fitting bonuses) to adjust what sort of level of equipment the suit or vehicle could fit. Then as needed spread the love out on the fitting skills like 1-5% on dropsuit command 5-10% on the specific suit.
Suits and vehicles would then have localized bonuses that are not fitting based (unless its a role thing) like sensors, reppers ect ect.
Neo suits and vehicles would then shift to non-bonusable preset fittings or perks (but not both) equal to as if you trained a set of skill sot a certain level.
Has CCP given any stance on tiericide?
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
1718
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:41:00 -
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Ehhh the only form of SP refund should be to people that put sp into tanks and dropships and jeeps, scouts and heavies ONLY when the racial variants for those suit/vehicle classes are released.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
I'll take your Iskies
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4185
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:My Amarr Crucifier (basically an amarr scout in Dust 514 terms) requires these following maximum skills to be considered effective by the dust 514 terms of meaningful.
Amarr Frigate V
CPU Management V
Electronic Warfare V
Weapon Disruption V
Long Distance Jamming V
Frequency MOdulation V
Turret Destabilization V
Shield Operation V
Shield Management V
Power Grid Management V
Warp Drive Operation V
Navigation V
Afterburner V
Fuel Conservation V
Acceleration Control V
Evasive Maneuvering V
High Speed Maneuvering
Spaceship Command V
Gunnery V
Energy Grid UPgrades V
CPU Management V
Advanced Weapon Upgrades V
Science I
Weapon Upgrades V
Capacitor Systems Operation V
Capacitor Management V
Energy Grid Upgrade V
Mechanics V
Repair Systems V
Hull Upgrades V
Armor Layering V
EM Armor Compensation V
Explosive Armor Compensation V
Kinetic Armor Compensation V
Thermic Armor Compensation V
Radar Sensor Compensation V
Long Range Targeting V
Target Management V
Signature Analysis V
Controlled Bursts V
Motion Prediction V
Rapid Firing V
Sharpshooter V
Small Beam Laser Specialization V
Small Pulse Laser Specialization V
Small Energy Turret V
Surgical Strike V
Trajectory Analysis V
Amarr Drone Specialization V
Caldari Drone Specialization V
Minmatar Drone Specialization V
Gallente Drone Specialization V
Combat Drone Operation V
Drone Durability V
Drone Interfacing V
Drone Navigation V
Drone Sharpshooting V
Drones V
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing V
Scout Drone Operation V
Cynosural Field Theory V
and to train this all faster we assumed you also trained
Cybernetics V
I have only 150,000,000 SP I earn about 2 million SP a month.
All skills listed are useful elsewhere.
You cannot compare Tech II items to dust content, they are two vastly different beasts.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10447
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:43:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I got a fugly stick ready, I need to hear the full tree plan first before I start swinging, remember I am a teiricide purponent and don't like the current 'progression' of suits.
if it where up to me i'd give everyone prototype slot layout but use the skills to adjust fitting (we're talking like 10-15% fitting bonuses) to adjust what sort of level of equipment the suit or vehicle could fit. Then as needed spread the love out on the fitting skills like 1-5% on dropsuit command 5-10% on the specific suit.
Suits and vehicles would then have localized bonuses that are not fitting based (unless its a role thing) like sensors, reppers ect ect.
Neo suits and vehicles would then shift to non-bonusable preset fittings or perks (but not both) equal to as if you trained a set of skill sot a certain level.
Has CCP given any stance on tiericide?
Not ready yet, they're busy gap filling but I am trying to get the opinion now because you and I both know if they go too far before they give it thought they're going to make a lot of work for themselves.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10447
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:My Amarr Crucifier (basically an amarr scout in Dust 514 terms) requires these following maximum skills to be considered effective by the dust 514 terms of meaningful.
Amarr Frigate V
CPU Management V
Electronic Warfare V
Weapon Disruption V
Long Distance Jamming V
Frequency MOdulation V
Turret Destabilization V
Shield Operation V
Shield Management V
Power Grid Management V
Warp Drive Operation V
Navigation V
Afterburner V
Fuel Conservation V
Acceleration Control V
Evasive Maneuvering V
High Speed Maneuvering
Spaceship Command V
Gunnery V
Energy Grid UPgrades V
CPU Management V
Advanced Weapon Upgrades V
Science I
Weapon Upgrades V
Capacitor Systems Operation V
Capacitor Management V
Energy Grid Upgrade V
Mechanics V
Repair Systems V
Hull Upgrades V
Armor Layering V
EM Armor Compensation V
Explosive Armor Compensation V
Kinetic Armor Compensation V
Thermic Armor Compensation V
Radar Sensor Compensation V
Long Range Targeting V
Target Management V
Signature Analysis V
Controlled Bursts V
Motion Prediction V
Rapid Firing V
Sharpshooter V
Small Beam Laser Specialization V
Small Pulse Laser Specialization V
Small Energy Turret V
Surgical Strike V
Trajectory Analysis V
Amarr Drone Specialization V
Caldari Drone Specialization V
Minmatar Drone Specialization V
Gallente Drone Specialization V
Combat Drone Operation V
Drone Durability V
Drone Interfacing V
Drone Navigation V
Drone Sharpshooting V
Drones V
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing V
Scout Drone Operation V
Cynosural Field Theory V
and to train this all faster we assumed you also trained
Cybernetics V
I have only 150,000,000 SP I earn about 2 million SP a month.
All skills listed are useful elsewhere. You cannot compare Tech II items to dust content, they are two vastly different beasts.
Well.. thats about 8 skills off the list then
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4185
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Posted - 2013.11.20 20:53:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:My Amarr Crucifier (basically an amarr scout in Dust 514 terms) requires these following maximum skills to be considered effective by the dust 514 terms of meaningful.
Amarr Frigate V
CPU Management V
Electronic Warfare V
Weapon Disruption V
Long Distance Jamming V
Frequency MOdulation V
Turret Destabilization V
Shield Operation V
Shield Management V
Power Grid Management V
Warp Drive Operation V
Navigation V
Afterburner V
Fuel Conservation V
Acceleration Control V
Evasive Maneuvering V
High Speed Maneuvering
Spaceship Command V
Gunnery V
Energy Grid UPgrades V
CPU Management V
Advanced Weapon Upgrades V
Science I
Weapon Upgrades V
Capacitor Systems Operation V
Capacitor Management V
Energy Grid Upgrade V
Mechanics V
Repair Systems V
Hull Upgrades V
Armor Layering V
EM Armor Compensation V
Explosive Armor Compensation V
Kinetic Armor Compensation V
Thermic Armor Compensation V
Radar Sensor Compensation V
Long Range Targeting V
Target Management V
Signature Analysis V
Controlled Bursts V
Motion Prediction V
Rapid Firing V
Sharpshooter V
Small Beam Laser Specialization V
Small Pulse Laser Specialization V
Small Energy Turret V
Surgical Strike V
Trajectory Analysis V
Amarr Drone Specialization V
Caldari Drone Specialization V
Minmatar Drone Specialization V
Gallente Drone Specialization V
Combat Drone Operation V
Drone Durability V
Drone Interfacing V
Drone Navigation V
Drone Sharpshooting V
Drones V
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing V
Scout Drone Operation V
Cynosural Field Theory V
and to train this all faster we assumed you also trained
Cybernetics V
I have only 150,000,000 SP I earn about 2 million SP a month.
All skills listed are useful elsewhere. You cannot compare Tech II items to dust content, they are two vastly different beasts. Well.. thats about 8 skills off the list then
Required skills to use
Amarr Frigate I
Spaceship CommandSpaceship Command I
You have optimised that fit greatly.
Less than a hours training.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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jin foxdale
Jedi Slime.
106
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:20:00 -
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I'm not fussed either way about respec/no respec (but obviously wouldn't say no!) but I would LOVE a laymans explanation of tiericide please?
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2662
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:26:00 -
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jin foxdale wrote:I'm not fussed either way about respec/no respec (but obviously wouldn't say no!) but I would LOVE a laymans explanation of tiericide please?
Get rid of all tiers.
No proto assault, advanced assault or standard assault. Only Assault. Then our suits will become better through the use of skills.
This would also affect weapons.
Note*: Vehicles are already like this.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
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ACE OF JOKERS wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:If I get a respec many people are "f'd"
Noobs more than anyone. This is a common way of thinking that is sadly mistaken.Noobs are f*d nevertheless because they are spending SP in stuff they want to test out. People like me willbe able to play to a true level,so im NOT scared of ANYONE with a general respec. If i do good playing SOLO,vs Full corp squads,with ADV-BASIC gear, i can smell what i will do with proto gear and a perfect skill set..... GÖª Newbs geta chance to reinves in stuff they ACTUALLY want.
GÖª People with f*d Skill books like the soon to come Vehicle drivers,pilots and AV, or people already f*d like SCOUTS,commandos and Heavies, have a chance to redo their skill set for more effective results.I dont know why so many people are so scared about playing Vs players on an equal ground....
are you kidding? there are people with 30 million sp in the game right now. equal ground will not be achieved through a respec. only through time and dedication. |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:45:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:ARs (prepare to be outranged by every other rifle)
Tanks (welcome to 25 mil to max out one tank and turret type)
AV (did the forges, swarms, and yolonade lovers like their nerfs)
Scouts (missing 2 of your racial varients which will come soonTM)
Heavies (missing 2 heavy weapons and 3 racial varients which will come soonTM)
That covers about 90% of the playerbase.
Good point
Nuff Said
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.21 04:01:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:IWS: When do we see a similar revamp of the dropsuit skill tree as the vehicle skill tree? Any discussions ongoing about this? I got a fugly stick ready, I need to hear the full tree plan first before I start swinging, remember I am a teiricide proponent and don't like the current 'progression' of suits. if it where up to me i'd give everyone prototype slot layout but use the skills to adjust fitting (we're talking like 10-15% fitting bonuses) to adjust what sort of level of equipment the suit or vehicle could fit. Then as needed spread the love out on the fitting skills like 1-5% on dropsuit command 5-10% on the specific suit. Suits and vehicles would then have localized bonuses that are not fitting based (unless its a role thing) like sensors, reppers ect ect. Neo suits and vehicles would then shift to non-bonusable preset fittings or perks (but not both) equal to as if you trained a set of skill sot a certain level. This would allow base suit classes to gain multiple forms (and models as well) so for example lets say they have two medium suits, one medium suit harkens to the like of a baby assault, while the other harkens to the like of a baby logi. Both use the medium suit bonus but both have different slot approaches and are very flexible on how the bonus local to the suit plays out. Where as the specialist suits are very darn specific. Like you can have two different logis the repair type of logi and the support type logi. Or two types of assaults one more rifle like and maybe the other has two grenade slots or something.
i've been a supporter of tiercide for a long time. if u make a formal petition for it, ill sign it.
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.21 04:02:00 -
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low genius wrote:ACE OF JOKERS wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:If I get a respec many people are "f'd"
Noobs more than anyone. This is a common way of thinking that is sadly mistaken.Noobs are f*d nevertheless because they are spending SP in stuff they want to test out. People like me willbe able to play to a true level,so im NOT scared of ANYONE with a general respec. If i do good playing SOLO,vs Full corp squads,with ADV-BASIC gear, i can smell what i will do with proto gear and a perfect skill set..... GÖª Newbs geta chance to reinves in stuff they ACTUALLY want.
GÖª People with f*d Skill books like the soon to come Vehicle drivers,pilots and AV, or people already f*d like SCOUTS,commandos and Heavies, have a chance to redo their skill set for more effective results.I dont know why so many people are so scared about playing Vs players on an equal ground.... are you kidding? there are people with 30 million sp in the game right now. equal ground will not be achieved through a respec. only through time and dedication.
or tiercide
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Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó
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