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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:03:00 -
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AR, MD, LR.
That's it.
Every body's always whining about AR 514, but look at the friken alternatives. A year and a half this game has been up and running now and all we have is 3 light anti-infantry weapons? Why? Seriously I want an official explanation. This game should have like ten or fifteen diferent light AI weapons. I mean yaknow, this seems like a no brainier here - integral to player retention - FPS 101. WERE IS THE VARIETY AND WHY DON'T WE HAVE IT YET.
Getting tired of waiting.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:06:00 -
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ACE OF JOKERS wrote:SCR?Grenades?
Weapon variants?
AR variant? Yup me thinks so.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:09:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:The troll is weak with this one.
Not trolling I'm serious.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:13:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:ScR, Shotgun, SMG, ScP, HMG
There's a decent number of alternatives. Plus the variants of those
Yet, we see one pop up almost exclusively...
SGs don't count,to situational. The rest of your list consists of two sidearms and a heavy weapon.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:14:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:You missed the ASCR and the already announced Combat Rifle and Rail Rifle (coming in 1.7)
And you missed post #3 in this thread.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:33:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:ScR, Shotgun, SMG, ScP, HMG
There's a decent number of alternatives. Plus the variants of those
Yet, we see one pop up almost exclusively... SGs don't count,to situational. The rest of your list consists of two sidearms and a heavy weapon. That's like saying the TAR isn't to be counted because it's too situational to be a anti infantry weapon And, the ScR is a light weapon thank you. You doubt the power of a SMG
TAR is not situational. Deadly at 20m and beyond is not situational. Now deadly at no more than 10m, that is situational. SCR is just a friken AR variant. This game need to get creative with weapons design (which so far is terrible). Where are the weapons of the future? Where is the variety?
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:34:00 -
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TcuBe3 wrote:Hush 1.7 is on the Horizon, soon we will have more alternatives...
Yah great, more ARs. Just what we need. *Shakes his head*
{edit>>> more ARs that should have already been in the game by the time dust went into commercial release no less. Not to mention all the other stuff that was missing.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:46:00 -
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TcuBe3 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:TcuBe3 wrote:Hush 1.7 is on the Horizon, soon we will have more alternatives... Yah great, more ARs. Just what we need. *Shakes his head* {edit>>> more ARs that should have already been in the game by the time dust went into commercial release no less. Not to mention all the other stuff that was missing. Ok smart guy, since you are unsatisfied with all the weapon that are in the game. What is your suggestion then? What type of weapons should they add? Instead of being part of the problem why don't you contribute to the solution instead of spewing out garbage and complaints. CCP Announcement "Attention everyone, Son Of A Gun is not pleased with the current weapons in game, Drop everything you are doing to appease his requests". GTFO...
Why don't you try and read the feedback/suggestion section every once and a while. It's full of Interesting ideas that are going absolutely nowhere. My feedback/suggestion days are long past now. Once I finally realized no one was listening or cared.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 02:01:00 -
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TcuBe3 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:TcuBe3 wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:TcuBe3 wrote:Hush 1.7 is on the Horizon, soon we will have more alternatives... Yah great, more ARs. Just what we need. *Shakes his head* {edit>>> more ARs that should have already been in the game by the time dust went into commercial release no less. Not to mention all the other stuff that was missing. Ok smart guy, since you are unsatisfied with all the weapon that are in the game. What is your suggestion then? What type of weapons should they add? Instead of being part of the problem why don't you contribute to the solution instead of spewing out garbage and complaints. CCP Announcement "Attention everyone, Son Of A Gun is not pleased with the current weapons in game, Drop everything you are doing to appease his requests". GTFO... Why don't you try and read the feedback/suggestion section every once and a while. It's full of Interesting ideas that are going absolutely nowhere. My feedback/suggestion days are long past now. Once I finally realized no one was listening or cared. umm.... So you are accusing me of not reading the feedback forums because I told you to quit whining and stay positive. I am not going to now go and search over the thousands of feedback threads to find the one that you originated, mabye a link to your thread included with your bitching post would have stopped me. Interesting, There is probably nothing I can say at this point as you have already made up your mind and you feel the need to whine and ***** like a little kid. You have nothing to offer this community forums other than a negative attitude and complaints. Sarcasm ---->Because we all know that, that is going to do a hell of alot more good than offering constructive critisism and recommendations.
Oh yes, and marily going along pretending that everything is just dandy, when its not, is exactly the attitude that will get things fixed. Why didnt i see this before. Gee, I wonder if that would have worked for slaver or women's rights. You sir have the mind of a scholar.
/sarcasm
{edit>>> And no I'm not going looking for my old posts from a year or so ago either.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 02:50:00 -
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@Argent Mordred
shotguns: already adressed this
assault rifles (plasma and scrambler variants, with railgun and bullet variants soon to come): part of the list I already gave.
sniper rifles: same deal as the shot gun only in reverse
, grenade launchers: MD part of the list I already gave
rpgs (the plasma launcher seems to fit this category, being intended to kill a heavy or able to try suppress a group somewhat,): AV weapon wasn't intended to be seriously viable against infantry, aside from that, there is no significant difference between this weapon and the MD.
laser rifles (which are sort of like an assault rifle but is it's own unique category of weapon, sui generis if you will,): part of the list I gave.
as well as side arms like the pistol and the smg (the smg is a pocket light weapon anyway, really.): range is to short, not a stand alone weapon, also SMG is just an AR with no range.
What variant of firearm do want added?
How about some type of gravity base weapon
How about a shoulder wide energy disk weapon
How about a some type of drone projectile
Look, I could sit here and put some real thought into it and come up with all kinds of bad*** ideas. But that is not the point of this thread. The point is to point out the severe lack of creativity that has gone into the weapons design for this game.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 03:14:00 -
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TcuBe3 wrote:Last time I checked. You are not a Dev.
You have no control over the game.
This issue has clearly got you very spun up.
Why? I have no idea?
I guess ill ask you why do you play the game and spend so much time on the forums if it is such a hoorible game ? What has made you stay? Then ask yourself, if the game isn't going to be fixed to your liking why are you still insisting on complaining. You still have not offered any solutions
Dude, I'm through talking to you. I am a paying coustomer of this of this game, an unstatified one at that, along with MANY other, whether for similar or various other reasons (and if you can't see what relevance my opinion has, I can't help you). What right do you have to come in here and try to shut me down? Rehtorical question. I'll tell you, exactly none, except for the desire to be an *** toward me. Now if you don't mind.
{edit^^^ post was edited.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 03:27:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Message from Godin: You are missing the Scr's, the LR's, the PLC's, the Shotty's, the Sniper, and we also have 2 more rifles coming in about 2-3 weeks. We don't really need any more AI light weapons.
Already ardressed all this over a cople of posts now.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 04:51:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:How about some type of gravity base weapon
How about a shoulder wide energy disk weapon
How about a some type of drone projectile
Look, I could sit here and put some real thought into it and come up with all kinds of bad*** ideas. But that is not the point of this thread. The point is to point out the severe lack of creativity (or productivity for that mater) that has gone into the weapons design for this game. This game can't even handle maps underground and you want to add those weapons? Well I suggest you get ready to lag your a ss off every time you shoot and be prepared for ps3 overheats.
Yet such weapons have no problem existing in other games. Excuse me if I don't take your assessment as expert level.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 04:56:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Also if your marking off situational weapons then take off the laser rifle. Also the MD since it is only effective in mostly medium ranges.
Haven't used the MD in a while (since before uprising and respec) but I used to be a sniper with that *****, also it used to be very good at CQC. Don't know the state oth the weapon curently.
LR fits the criteria because you can use a sidearme to sore up its deficiencies.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 04:58:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:How about some type of gravity base weapon
How about a shoulder wide energy disk weapon
How about a some type of drone projectile
Look, I could sit here and put some real thought into it and come up with all kinds of bad*** ideas. But that is not the point of this thread. The point is to point out the severe lack of creativity (or productivity for that mater) that has gone into the weapons design for this game. This game can't even handle maps underground and you want to add those weapons? Well I suggest you get ready to lag your a ss off every time you shoot and be prepared for ps3 overheats. Yet such weapons have no problem existing in other games. Excuse me if I don't take your assessment as expert level. Yea and plenty of other games have underground maps too (And a better engine). So your point is? (Oh and btw I just graduated from college with a degree in game design so I think I know more of what I'm talking about then you)
Let me see your diploma, and I'll believe you.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 05:11:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Also if your marking off situational weapons then take off the laser rifle. Also the MD since it is only effective in mostly medium ranges. Haven't used the MD in a while (since before uprising and respec) but I used to be a sniper with that *****, also it used to be very good at CQC. Don't know the state of the weapon curently. LR fits the criteria because you can use a sidearme to sore up its deficiencies. Then why is the sniper rifle situational? I mean sidearms make up for its deficiencies.
Low RoF, small mag size, no variable zoom.
Although I have seen some have a little run&gun success with a Tac and a SMG.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 05:20:00 -
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"Well if you won't take my word then really your shit out of luck. If you want to be ignorant you can I won't stop you."
Even if what you say is true, what you are talking about has to do with graphical effect not mechanics. Mechanically there is no reason to be so limited on creativity. So just be creative within your limits. The idea that there is just abslutly no room for being creative is just absurd to me.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:42:00 -
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Argent Mordred wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:@Argent Mordred What variant of firearm do want added?
How about some type of gravity base weapon
How about a shoulder wide energy disk weapon
How about a some type of drone projectile
Look, I could sit here and put some real thought into it and come up with all kinds of bad*** ideas. But that is not the point of this thread. The point is to point out the severe lack of creativity (or productivity for that mater) that has gone into the weapons design for this game. How would the gravity based weapon work? There is no point shoving people or objects around in this game, unless you could throw some one up so high that they died from fall damage. That also seems like it would executed in a way that is either unbalanced or limited so it is functionally pointless, being unable to do anything that couldn't be done more simply with another weapon, so that you should just use a real weapon. If it was the later then it is just a troll weapon or maybe a nifty way of chucking grenades back that could be better served by adding a to-throw-grenade-back-press-square feature. If you mean something that uses gravity to propel a projectile, then congratulations you just reinvented the wheel; and you did it in an even more pointlessly complicated way. Come join the rest of us using railguns or firearms to chuck metallic projectiles around. Situationally you could push someone off a roof with a gravity weapon, but that would too limited even assuming you could get up there. It's only use would be for trolling the campers who constantly tower snipe, regardless of it is tactically useful for their team that match or not; and only if you have a drop ship to get up there. Shoulder wide? The energy disk or the weapon? So what is so special about it? Is it a rapid firing weapon? If so, then how is it different from an hmg, ar, or smg. If you can't come up with a reason, then you have just created a shiny energy weapon variant of every other automatic weapon type in game. If it is high damage, semi-auto, and close range? Then you have created a way too fancy energy weapon that is basically indistinguishable from a shotgun. High damage, semi-auto, long range? You have created a very attention getting energy weapon that is exactly like a sniper rifle. Except that screams, "my owner is right over here, guys" to the entire enemy team with a line of sight on your target every time you use it. Think like a laser rifle's beam except less subtle. I have never played tribes, so I am not sure, but are you maybe proposing that they rip off a spinfusor? Drone Projectile? Do you mean a projectile fired by a drone? A guided missile with a dedicate launcher of some sort? If you want to make a suggestion for a new uva vehicle like a predator drone or something go right ahead. It sounds like it might be a decent idea, but I don't have a clue what you meant by a drone projectile weapon. If you are going to complain about lack of variety of weapon types other than variants of weapons based off real world firearms and other types of military arms, you might at least have one type or more of new weapon that you would like to see.
I wasn't attempting to come up with fully fledged viable options here, I was just attempting to point out the lack of creativity that is the current state of weapons designe in this game. You want viable fully fledged ideas go scourer the suggestions/feedback forum.
Also I am not the one getting payed to keep people entertained here, just pointing out the very obvious fail here on the part of those who are responsible.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:03:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1512429#post1512429
There you go have fun.
Your idea that new weapons types cannot be concived is just absurd. Especially with so many other FPS games out there that have ventured into creative weapons design.
Once again: it is not my jod to design weapons for this game. It is not my job to entertain this games player base. I am just pointing out the fail in this department from this games design team.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:15:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:The troll is weak with this one. Not trolling I'm serious. Then would you care to suggest what weapons need to be added?
No I wouldn't cause it's not my job to diversify this game, for like the hundredth time now. Is this weak *** argument all you guys can come up with? And what exactly is that argument? "oh weapons diversity in dust is so deep. We have no idea what you're taking about". lol, just lol. Quite playing dumb.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:37:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Then I am just going to state that all possible light Anti Infantry weapons have already been added to the game, and see if you can prove me wrong.
Well that'll be pretty easy. Follow the link in post #45.
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