DUST Search - If 1.7 vehicle changes hold

pegasis prime wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

knight of 6 wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

What makes you say that?

stats look better overall. passive armor reps are slow, too slow. maxxed out cores a gunny can push 60% damage reduction for 30 seconds and boost out 1950 or so (sry not looking at the stat sheet) in a second flat. not to mention it's faster and ammo additions don't cut it's tank.

Except that a skilled complex heavy armor repairer actually repairs at a faster rate than the natural shield regeneration of the Gungglogi. I believe its 181 HP/s compared to the 165 that the shield tank can output, and that's 100% of the time, where shields are subject to recharge delay. While a 4 second delay is not very long, there are some very basic tactics that can thwart that.

The point of the matter is that while shield tanks can do a single boost with a long cooldown, they're incapable of handling sustained fire which makes them very poor against infantry at close range. Also I think you're misreading the Shield Hardeners, they reduce damage by 40%, not 60%. Armor hardeners reduce by 60%, last longer, and cool down faster.

actually dude the damage modifier on gunlogis is 0.4 meaning that any damage received will be multiplied by 0.4 thusly giving 60% resists as the tank will only absorb 40% of the damage.


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Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 983	Posted - 2013.11.18 04:39:00 - [1] - Quote What makes you say that? ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 983	Posted - 2013.11.18 04:48:00 - [2] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: What makes you say that? stats look better overall. passive armor reps are slow, too slow. maxxed out cores a gunny can push 60% damage reduction for 30 seconds and boost out 1950 or so (sry not looking at the stat sheet) in a second flat. not to mention it's faster and ammo additions don't cut it's tank. Except that a skilled complex heavy armor repairer actually repairs at a faster rate than the natural shield regeneration of the Gungglogi. I believe its 181 HP/s compared to the 165 that the shield tank can output, and that's 100% of the time, where shields are subject to recharge delay. While a 4 second delay is not very long, there are some very basic tactics that can thwart that. The point of the matter is that while shield tanks can do a single boost with a long cooldown, they're incapable of handling sustained fire which makes them very poor against infantry at close range. Also I think you're misreading the Shield Hardeners, they reduce damage by 40%, not 60%. Armor hardeners reduce by 60%, last longer, and cool down faster. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 984	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:13:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: What makes you say that? The fitting tool Harpyja made. link to fitting tool please.. Sticky at the top of the GD https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118820&find=unread ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 984	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:18:00 - [4] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: You forget 1 little thing: the forgegun hasnt beeing touched yet in any kind to damage output. If it stays like now you are just driving a big coffin. Sure swarms are "lol worthy" but who needs swarms if you die in 3 shots from a ishukone assault forgegun? Yes you are absolutely correct. With the proposed setup, Shield vehicles are exceptionally susceptible to burst damage like a forge gun. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 987	Posted - 2013.11.18 05:53:00 - [5] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: I'm inclined to agree for general purpose Tanking (infantry slaying). You'll see Madrugars on the field as the primary choice for Redline Railing due to Damage Mods being high slots though. rails should have 200-300m range then, or 250 Honestly you should be more worried about Large Missile turrets. If they behave as the Dev table imply, they're going to be completely terrifying. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 992	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:58:00 - [6] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: What makes you say that? stats look better overall. passive armor reps are slow, too slow. maxxed out cores a gunny can push 60% damage reduction for 30 seconds and boost out 1950 or so (sry not looking at the stat sheet) in a second flat. not to mention it's faster and ammo additions don't cut it's tank. Except that a skilled complex heavy armor repairer actually repairs at a faster rate than the natural shield regeneration of the Gungglogi. I believe its 181 HP/s compared to the 165 that the shield tank can output, and that's 100% of the time, where shields are subject to recharge delay. While a 4 second delay is not very long, there are some very basic tactics that can thwart that. The point of the matter is that while shield tanks can do a single boost with a long cooldown, they're incapable of handling sustained fire which makes them very poor against infantry at close range. Also I think you're misreading the Shield Hardeners, they reduce damage by 40%, not 60%. Armor hardeners reduce by 60%, last longer, and cool down faster. actually dude the damage modifier on gunlogis is 0.4 meaning that any damage received will be multiplied by 0.4 thusly giving 60% resists as the tank will only absorb 40% of the damage. Honestly I actually originally agreed with you, though it seems general perception is that the shield hardener is 60% reduction, so I'm rather unsure at this point. I'm going to go off the assumption that the modifier value they're using is calculated the same way they do in EVE, so I'll need to double check that sometime so on. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes