I kind of disagree on the weapons/suits part.

Kind of...

If you mean new weapons/suits of the same race, then I can understand why there shouldn't be a respec for that.

However, if you mean new weapons/suits of different races when only one racial weapon previously existed, then I can understand why people support the idea of a respec. But this only brings about one-time respecs which is ok for me as long as it's not a constant feature. Racial symmetry of weapons/suits would be the only reason for me.

For example:

Heavies only have a Minmatar HMG but no Amarr, Caldari, or Gallente variants have been made available yet. Therefore, many heavies were forced into training into the Mimatar HMG. The same thing for the Forge Gun which is a Caldari weapon.

Scouts only have a Minmatar SMG but not Amarr, Caldari, or Gallente variants. The same thing for Nova Knives which only come from the Caldari but no Amarr, Minmatar, or Gallente variants so far.

Vehicles have the same problem. So far, only Gallente and Caldari LAVs, HAVs, and Dropships exist. No Amarr or Minmatar ones yet.

The suits are the same thing. Scouts lack Caldari and Amarr variants. Heavies lack any variant outside the Amarr. No pilot suits. etc.

1. On the advent of new guns or suits.
When a new gun or suit comes out, it comes out for all of us. We all have the chance to get into it immediately and work towards it. It doesn't give any unfair advantage to people who saved up, they didn't use these points on who-knows-what to throw them on an untested device. It doesn't make any of your previous choices null.

2. When the nail that sticks up gets nerfed. If you are using something that has been stated by CCP to be functioning wrongly, or something that the vast majority of players can agree on (including the users) is overly powerful, then you have no right to complain when it gets treated as such. If the nerf doesn't completely change how that feature operates, especially not in the wording of its description, then you have no leg to stand on.

Your previous choice is made null simply by the fact that more options exist now than when you first made your choice. Had they existed back then, you might've chosen differently. I specced into Lasers and felt they were severely UP after 1.6 so I had to spec into something else. I chose ARs for the Tactical Rifle. As of 1.7, the Tactical Rifle is receiving a range nerf and will, probably, along with the Laser Rifle (my other main weapon), have it's niche absorbed by Combat and Rail Rifles.



I use Tactical Assault Rifles. They got nerfed once and that's fine. Now, however, their only real advantage is range. Their range is being nerfed to 60m in 1.7 and the standard Assault Rifle is being buffed to 48m, meaning I'm stuck with another Laser Rifle (extremely situational). Plus, the Rail Rifles and Combat Rifles will probably mop the floor with the Tactical and Burst. Sure, I could use normal Assault Rifles, but that's not what I specced into them for.

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Really, it would be nice to get a weapon respec when the two new weapons come out. I'd love to use the new weapons, but I'm not looking forward to slaving away for weeks to get the SP, especially when I've wasted so much SP already and still have other skills to level up.

A respec has never been given in EvE once. Sure sp have been refunded when something was removed or totally changed but a full on respec has never happened. You make your choices for today or tomorrow. If you end up regretting them time to man up and learn something new.

A respec has never been given in EvE once. Sure sp have been refunded when something was removed or totally changed but a full on respec has never happened. You make your choices for today or tomorrow. If you end up regretting them time to man up and learn something new.

Actually, according to the Eve beta vets, there was one just shortly after release back in 2003. But that was it. No respec since then despite the constant rebalancing of weapons, ships, etc.

A respec has never been given in EvE once. Sure sp have been refunded when something was removed or totally changed but a full on respec has never happened. You make your choices for today or tomorrow. If you end up regretting them time to man up and learn something new.

Somewhat correct.

I'm an eve player since 2004. I have seen a billion nerfs that virtually rendered ships like the Raven which admittedly were overpowered and used extensively in PvP, to be nothing more than a PvE boat overnight. People bitched, moaned, threatened to leave, did leave, etc - but no respec was given. I remember spending months training Cruise Missiles to level 5 when they were something like a level 6 skill, then two years later they became a level 4 (I think) and nowadays they are a cruise specialization skill for T2. Torps were nerfed rendering most torp boats useless against frigs and cruisers - no respec.

When they changed the learning skills though (by removing them) they did give us the SP to respend. Not really a respec because the spec those sp were spent on no longer existed, more a change that meant you required a 'refund'

So here's my take - No respecs - ever - for any reason. If you leave - can I have your stuff?

...why would anyone give you their stuff when you were the reason they left ??? That's like paying someone who robbed you !

On the first point, you lose nothing for having spent those SP. You still have access to that weapon, and noone else got early access to that weapon. Everyone is going to start at 0, and everyone is going to have to claw their way up.

On the seconds point, you are speccing into ASSAULT RIFLES. If you wanted Tactical Rifles, the Scrambler Rifle already exists. The rifle class weapons only have variants because the AR was the only rifle type, so it had to cover all four versions. They're going to be inferior to the actual racials. Putting in on them, knowing that, gives you no right to complain really. It's like speccing into the Swarm Launcher and being upset that it can't do much against Infantry. That isn't what the gun was made for.

Man up .. LMAO on a game .. seriously .. Man Up .. hahaha .. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... ROFLMAO

You can only make good decisions if you have access to all the information, If players had a rough idea when things like the racial suit variants were going to be introduced people would save accordingly however .. and wait for this it will blow your mind .. We have absolutely no idea whatsoever when or what or how CCP are going to introduce the basic content we are missing .. would you save up every penny of money you earn incase Aliens Invade ?? You seem to believe players should save SP incase something that doesn't exist .. comes into existence at some point in the future so I expect that your sat on a box waiting for 1st Contact lol

When basic content is added you can preach the decisions matter mantra until then it's just a meaningless sentence based on ignorance and selfishness

I only disagree with points 1 and 4.

AR sp should be refunded upon the release of all other rifles, even if the AR's stats were to remain the same. If you want to run a rifle character, you're given the option of wasting SP in order to be competitive up until then, or running inferior gear & not being able to compete whilst SP is saved up.
The same goes for suits. We can't realistically expect heavies to go for months without upgrading their suits just so that they won't be wasting SP. It's only fair to dish out a refund of Amarr heavy dropsuit skillpoints upon the release of any other race's equivalent.

On the issue of slight tweaks, I don't think there should be a partial respec unless the functional role of a weapon, suit or gear is changed. For example, the upcoming changes to vehicles will not change tanks from being tanks, and tankers will still be tankers. (The exception beong that many vehicle skills are expected to change).

I only disagree with points 1 and 4.

AR sp should be refunded upon the release of all other rifles, even if the AR's stats were to remain the same. If you want to run a rifle character, you're given the option of wasting SP in order to be competitive up until then, or running inferior gear & not being able to compete whilst SP is saved up.
The same goes for suits. We can't realistically expect heavies to go for months without upgrading their suits just so that they won't be wasting SP. It's only fair to dish out a refund of Amarr heavy dropsuit skillpoints upon the release of any other race's equivalent.

On the issue of slight tweaks, I don't think there should be a partial respec unless the functional role of a weapon, suit or gear is changed. For example, the upcoming changes to vehicles will not change tanks from being tanks, and tankers will still be tankers. (The exception beong that many vehicle skills are expected to change).

I lost the time acquiring over a million SP is what I lost (which is over a month of play). If I don't use the gun, it doesn't matter how much SP I put into it.



I do far better with the Tactical than the Scrambler and anyone who has used both would see that there ARE differences. The most obvious are that the Tactical has a much higher zoom on its scope, a longer range (a 15m+ difference) and no heat to worry about. I also like the Burst Rifle, even though it's a piece of crap, so are you going to tell me next that I should've specced into the Combat Rifle? Oh, wait, it doesn't exist yet. I could've waited, yes. However, if CCP has decided to never respec anything, then I might as well "wait" a year to play the game, when it (hopefully) has the equipment I want. Is this how real life works? Yes. If you buy a PS3 when you know the PS4 is coming out and you really wanted a PS4 but needed something to play, you won't be getting a refund. Is it good for player retention and satisfaction? I don't think so.

The whole dynamics of the game are shifting all the time. You'll spec into a gun one moment and it'll be fine, the next moment it's losing Xm off its range, and two weapons that outrange it and supplant its role are introduced. It's like speccing into a bazooka to take out a tank, and then two weeks later they add a Javelin and it's back to grinding for a month for the cash to get it, while everyone who waited just grabs it. I guess the alternative is to just wait, and wait, and wait? That's fine for players with 20m SP and good gear. It's not fine when you're getting stomped and need to invest in a gun to stop getting stomped.

Respecs SHOULD be given out...

1. When a suit or weapon preexisting in the game is changed immensely. This makes your previous choice to spec into that thing unfounded, and you deserve to have that time back to spend on other things if you so choose. If this is a gamewide change, like changing every suit's bonuses, all should get a respec. If this is a severe change, like a gun suddenly completely changing behavior, that is also grounds to ask for a respec.
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What about when 3 out of the 7 branches in the skill tree is being reworked?

1.7 proves this correct

Vehicles are changing big time, AV is also changing tho not as much but enough for players to want out

Either way it seems hard to do a partial respec, a full respec is alot easier

If we give the respec and then the skills that are not in now get added will you need another respec because that option wasn't there?

If the respec is given and you spec into infantry and the vehicle skills are fixed will you need another respec because everything changed?

How drastic of a change warrants a respec?

Won't the skills need to be a pilot still be needed to be a pilot when they are reworked? Wouldn't we be getting a respec just to put SP back into the same skills?

We were given choices to make and we made them and by giving sp back because something changed wouldn't be fair to anyone who joins after the respec. Refunding SP for anything but a removed skill is bad for DUST.

You will not like this game, it is not for you. The game will always change and it doesn't seem like you can handle change too well so my advice is to relax and play the game or take a break. They will give plenty of time for you to save SP for the next new item. Usually about 3 weeks and that should be more than enough time for you to get the SP needed to be "competitive".

Respec's will be needed when the new weapons, dropsuits, vecheles and modules come.

Respec's will be needed when the racial bonuses, dropsuit bonuses change/come.

Respec's will be needed when they change some of the modules that that right now are in the wrong slots.
DMG mods are now high slot modules, they are supose to be low slot modules,
Hacking and speed modules are now low slot modules, they are supose to be high slot modules, etc. etc.

So yes we need to get more respec's.

When ALL this is here and fixed, i NEVER want to se ANYONE get a respec EVER again, but until then we NEED it.