Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:54:00 -
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Making Logis a sidearm only class is a terrible idea.
1) Every suit needs the capability to engage at medium range.Scouts have speed and stealth to close the distance. Heavies have sheer amount of HP. Logis do not. Running slowly across the map under a hail of AR rounds, mass driver shells, fighting scouts in close quarters combat with shotguns, engaging heavys with 1k hp with just a sub machine gun is suicide. Logis will die before they can get near the front line to rep, resupply, and revive.
2) Having no side arm is a enough of a handicap. I have lost many a logi suit reloading my weapon while the assault suit just switches to thier side arm. I've killed many logi suits with my assault suits doing the same thing. In terms of damage output the assault has an overwhelming advantage.
3)Sidearms limited in number. Restricting an entire player base to nova knives, scrambler pistols and SMGs deprives logistic players of all the content DUST 514 has to offer.
4) Sidearms are no match class by class for light weapons. Which is self evident, as sidearms are meant for back up.
5) Stop comparing proto logis to regular suits. Sure your basic suit got crushed by a proto gallente logi rocking a duvolle. Since when have you seen basic/ adv assault get crushed by a basic adv logi suit?
6) Stop the unfair comparision of WP earning. So far the only distinct advantage logis have is the amount of warpoints they can earn. But nanohives, uplinks, scanners, repair tools etc take massive amounts of sp to skill into rather than assaults who can just by pass the whole lot. Basic and adv logis get killed a lot, using their light weapons already Those wp comes at a price of isk, kd, and a ton of precious SP and saves every other class money, and sp (logis invest in nanocircutry so you don't have too). So called 'slayers' might whine about this, yet compared to Dropship pilots slayers bask in glory.
7) Players have the right to be versatile. If a player wants to take advantage of a proto logi cpu and PG, well after investing 2 million plus SP in just the suit why shouldn't they? Because they killed you? Assaults don't have a special right to be the end all of killers and WP earners in DUST. Logis dont cry about assaults using a needle to stick players. Heavies with ARs turn my stomach, but i'm not going to remove access to light weapons for heavy suits.Scouts use shotguns, but i'm not goin to restrict scouts to only shotguns. Players earn the sp, they have right to spend it anywhere they want.
8) you are ignoring the logi/heavy balance. Logi protects heavy at long range, and reps heavy. Heavy annihlates at close range while getting reppe by logi. they already protect the other. Instead you wnt the logi heavy combo to be close range only, and then both of them gets annihilated bu assauls. Thats Bull s'**t.
9) Realize your are only advocating for your self. Its fine you dont like the idea of logis being able to defend themselves, and clones they run out to revive. If you like running a logis suit with the bare minimum of weaponry at a distinct disadvantage to every suit in the game is fine.But that's you. I like the idea of shooting the enemy 50 m away that nearly took down the heavy i'm repping. I like forcing enemies from range into cover before i stab a clone, get him up to 50% hp, and the both of us engage. You want logis to do that with a pistol? You want logis to depend assault players? You might call your self a logi, but you are the only supposed logi i've seen that wants thier class to become useless. I hereby reject your claim logis should be sidearm only.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:55:00 -
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1. Why?
Is there any design choice from CCP that says this must always be true?
2. Congrats, I saw myself tank the damage while I reloaded in my logi and then continued to murder the person.
3. That's now, there are more coming.
4. SMG's often beat assault rifles in CQC.
Scrambler pistols were once called OP because of their incredible headshot damage.
5. Uhh... We're comparing both proto, I have no idea where you got that idea.
6. Logis have more advantages than WP, much more.
7. Assaults, Scouts, Sentinels, Commandos can't do all of that.
Why should logis be allowed?
8. Uhhh... Heavy is capable of using Assault rifles you know....
9. If it was self defense you wouldn't care as SMG's are potent.
And personally? It doesn't matter what CCP does, I have both proto logi and assault and my logi beats the crap out of the assault.
If they aren't going to change it, I guess I'll just use my logi 
Conclusion:
This was a wall of text with zero sense, and whoever liked you should be ashamed of themselves of not reading it properly [/quote]
1) Because logis are on the front lines. Even if you want them soley remain behind the lines repping they have to shoot beyond their lines, at medium to long range. It isnt a design flaw no matter how much you whine about it, its common sense.
2) So you always empty your AR while getting shot, stop shooting to reload while getting hit, tank all the damage, aim again and shoot, before an assault using the same level suit you are empties the same weapon you are using and switches to their sidearm? You must have the greatest armor evaaaarr....or maybe you actually ereload from cover so you dont get annihilated in the open when the enemy switches to a sidearm. Please dont bulls##t.
3) Yeah. Soon TM. 
4) Are you insane? Shotguns are light weapons and they destroy SMGs. They are the kings off CQC. Thats why scouts use them. Maps are not restricted to CQC. Come at me on Manus peak with your dual SMGs and me with a SCR. You'll get wrecked all day.
5) What you are advocating affects all levels of logis so i am comparing all classes of logi suits to all classes of assaults. Thats what you conveniently left out. Basic/adv assault suits are far STRONGER than basic/adv logi. Proto logis have a slight advantage because of CPU needed to use PROTO equipment.
6) like what?
7) yes they can within thier roles. Assault, scouts and commandos can fit 1 of every equipmet in that slot, can snipe, cqn rock shotguns, , drop hives, uplinks, run injectors and reppers. I can use any suit and drop links, switch out, seed K2s, switch out, grab a needle to revive. heavies cant, but then heavies can use hmgs and forge guns. Logis do it more sufficiently because that is the purpose they were designed for. Its called 'roles'' silly.
8) They can (don't notice you whining about that), and they are also enormous slow sitting ducks. Thats why they still need and count on logis.The majority of heavies don't run AR with thier suits because assaults are better at that type of warfare. You also must have never seen a heavy with a hmg unleash hell with a logi keeping him alive.
9) SMGs are potent as BACKUP ONLY. Thats why there are no matches where every player on both teams run only sidearms.
respone: Your one line troll type questions are pretty easy to answer, and are a good sign that you don't know what the f***k you are talking about.
*I fly I shoot I rep I tank/
Heavy, Scout, Assault and Logi at range/
I'm the Jack of all trades/
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