DUST Search - [Discussion] The sidearm-only logi argument.

Cosgar wrote:

Justin Tymes wrote:

XxGhazbaranxX wrote:

Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics.

I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can.

Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON.

True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON"

Then "True" Logis are bad. Good Logis know to kill the enemy before you rez/revive, and killing the enemy takes priority since you're not helping anyone dead or with an enemy shooting at you when you're rezzing. Why? Because DPS speed > Rez speed.

See, this is kind of the issue with the whole sidearm argument. Would you rather have a guy that can fight along side you and run support, or a guy that can't really do anything unless you take damage, run out of ammo or go down? Dust is still a FPS (even though it doesn't feel like one at times) and we're all slayers first and class roles second.


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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1105	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:42:00 - [1] - Quote You get a like (despite being a part of the farmer empire). I've been running Sidearm-Only Logi for closing in on a year now (I will admit that I have some assault fits, though they are predominantly for AV, outside of swarms they are Sidearm-Only as well). I make no claims of being elite, though I feel that I am in no way hindered in my ability to provide logistical support to my squad/team (in fact, I'd go so far as to say that it gives me greater ability to support my squad/team). I would welcome such a change (as well as the deluge of Assport Logi tears ) and I commend you for taking up the fight as I grew tired of beating my head bloody against the wall. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1105	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:47:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: oh for the love of god not this again. We are COMBAT logistics. we should be able to defend ourselves, even at range. Were not as versatile as assaults and that is enough. If the rifles work as intended this will solve a lot of issues Defend? ok Beat the crap out of assaults in a straight up fight because of superior gear? ** no Hey, hey, don't you "** no" me. Just the other night I beat the crap out of a duvolle wielding assault with my ADV Quantum Scanner. I lol'd heartily. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1105	Posted - 2013.11.17 22:18:00 - [3] - Quote Wow, the Assport Logi have come out in force haven't they? Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1105	Posted - 2013.11.18 00:15:00 - [4] - Quote @Atiim Nova Knife Logi is a whole lot of fun, I'm not 100% sure that I'd want to run it exclusively, though it is great for a change of pace. Scrambler Pistol/SMG Logi otoh, are staples for me. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1106	Posted - 2013.11.18 00:36:00 - [5] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: I support restricting logos to a sidearm.......but here's an alternative rather lengthy but would add a little more diversity Make a medium weapon class......this would include mass drivers.....sniper rifles......swarm launchers......scrambler rifles....and the new rifles All suits can use medium weapons but logistics suits Future suits could limit weapons in this manner I.e. a scout suit that can't use medium weapons but in turn is faster and more durable....or a heavy that is the same(faster than a commando but with 1000hp but can only use light weapons There's a lot that it could open up I proposed something similar awhile back. The difference being that I proposed a "Logi" Weapon slot which would fit between Light and Sidearm. The "Logi Weapon" class would include Laser Rifle, Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Sniper Rifle and Swarm Launcher. It was shouted down by the Assport Logis. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1107	Posted - 2013.11.18 01:28:00 - [6] - Quote Cosgar wrote: hgghyujh wrote: Cosgar wrote: Then limit light weapon slots to light weapons and heavy slots to heavy weapons. Hey, while we're at it, make all module slots specific to a certain module. Let's kill all of the sandbox character creation ideas behind Dust 514 and shove each suit into cookie cutter fits. You see my point? nope you are comparing apples to arseholes This whole logi vs assault thing started over the idea that logis can remove their equipment and get extra tank to be a better assault. If that's the case, why hasn't anyone complained about heavies with ARs. The get the extra tank and a sidearm. I complained about that long ago, surprise, surprise, I was shouted down in the name of almighty "customization" Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1110	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:03:00 - [7] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Why don't I need a light weapon? This is simple. My work is to keep my teammate alive. If I cannot do this then I am no logi. Every engagement, every battle comes down to communication and having a partner with which you can refine your tactics. I have a partner and together we have a very different play style than most would think. First off we take it slow. We use cover. He doesn't run off like a crazy person trying to get kills. The goal is to win not to get KDR as high as he can. Second we communicate. As I have my rep tool on him 24/7 he has to guard me. I am his lifeline and he is mine. In no moment does my Light weapon come into the equation. HE IS MY WEAPON. True logi's look at a post like this and the only thing thy see is, as the OP hinted to, all my wasted SP into light weaponry and they would be correct to care about that. But a true logi doesn't give a rats ass about his weapon because Like i said earlier "YOUR PARTNER IS YOUR WEAPON" Then "True" Logis are bad. Good Logis know to kill the enemy before you rez/revive, and killing the enemy takes priority since you're not helping anyone dead or with an enemy shooting at you when you're rezzing. Why? Because DPS speed > Rez speed. See, this is kind of the issue with the whole sidearm argument. Would you rather have a guy that can fight along side you and run support, or a guy that can't really do anything unless you take damage, run out of ammo or go down? Dust is still a FPS (even though it doesn't feel like one at times) and we're all slayers first and class roles second. I disagree with your assertion that we are all "slayers first and class roles second". I only engage the enemy on their terms if I absolutely must. Otherwise, I will wait until their back is turned or they're hacking the objective I've boobytrapped or their attention is somewhere other than my direction before shooting them in the back. You seem to forget that (in the right hands) a Scrambler Pistol can be more deadly than any other weapon in the game, or that an SMG is capable of more DPS than any AR and is murderous in CQC. If you're worried that you AR squadmates will be outgunned by the enemy ARs, scan down the enemy and get a friendly sniper (forge or otherwise) to soften/thin the enemy formation. If they're in an interior space, drop hives and spam nades into it (charging in alongside your AR squadmates after the nades detonate). Logis aren't useless without Light weapons, you're just allowing yourself to be painted in a corner by the AR assaults who want this to be CoD: The Sci-Fi Flavored Edition. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta