DUST Search - Anything the HMG Can Do

Cat Merc wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

The AR can do better.

As someone who has prototype in both, I can pretty confidently say that my AR outperforms my HMG in basically all but the most niche of circumstances.

More range? Check
More damage? Check
Better CQC? Check
Longer ammo life? Check
Better accuracy? Check

So um. What's the point of the HMG again?

Shocked

As a side note, SMGs are just smaller, more efficient HMGs

Range - Correct
Damage - Incorrect, someone did a video test, the HMG is actually laser accurate, allowing you to apply your full damage
CQC - ^
Longer ammo life - Yes, you get more spare clips with the AR, but your HMG clip lasts 3 times as long. 15 seconds for a discharge.
Better Accuracy - See above.

I'm strictly talking practical application observed from hundreds of matches using both weapon platforms.

AR outperforms HMG in almost all typical situations

VoV
I fought against a heavy in a PC match.
We were something like 20 meters away from each other.
I had an AR with 2x complex damage mods and something like 700 eHP.

I got the beat on him, and started shooting, aimed down sights and making sure all of my bullets hit.
He turned around, and before I could finish him off, destroyed my suit.

This experience is why I don't think the HMG is underpowered upclose, but rather people suck at aiming.

I do agree however that the HMG needs a bit more range.

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7666	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:10:00 - [1] - Quote The AR can do better. As someone who has prototype in both, I can pretty confidently say that my AR outperforms my HMG in basically all but the most niche of circumstances. More range? Check More damage? Check Better CQC? Check Longer ammo life? Check Better accuracy? Check So um. What's the point of the HMG again? As a side note, SMGs are just smaller, more efficient HMGs Story / Vids / OSG
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 810	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:14:00 - [2] - Quote We've been pointing that the Plasma Rifle is doing too much for a while now. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5137	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:16:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: More damage? Check No. The HMG does more damage than the AR - it's just that the dispersion/range are silly so it can't apply that damage. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7666	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:22:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: More damage? Check No. The HMG does more damage than the AR - it's just that the dispersion/range are silly so it can't apply that damage. Well I was just talking about in game. It doesn't matter if the HMG could do twelve million DPS on paper if it can barely cut through toilet paper in game Story / Vids / OSG
bethany valvetino Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 131	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:24:00 - [5] - Quote it can over heat better than an AR
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7666	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:25:00 - [6] - Quote bethany valvetino wrote: it can over heat better than an AR I like your style Story / Vids / OSG
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1685	Posted - 2013.11.17 14:58:00 - [7] - Quote My proto heavy suit now has an AR on it and i can get more kills with it than with my HMG because it has better range, more damage, higher TTK even in CQC
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1111	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:14:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: More damage? Check No. The HMG does more damage than the AR - it's just that the dispersion/range are silly so it can't apply that damage. Actually some guy made a video on how the Hmg was too accurate and If I could find the damn video i'd show you. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4504	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:16:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The AR can do better. As someone who has prototype in both, I can pretty confidently say that my AR outperforms my HMG in basically all but the most niche of circumstances. More range? Check More damage? Check Better CQC? Check Longer ammo life? Check Better accuracy? Check So um. What's the point of the HMG again? As a side note, SMGs are just smaller, more efficient HMGs Range - Correct Damage - Incorrect, someone did a video test, the HMG is actually laser accurate, allowing you to apply your full damage CQC - ^ Longer ammo life - Yes, you get more spare clips with the AR, but your HMG clip lasts 3 times as long. 15 seconds for a discharge. Better Accuracy - See above. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5140	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:21:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: More damage? Check No. The HMG does more damage than the AR - it's just that the dispersion/range are silly so it can't apply that damage. Actually some guy made a video on how the Hmg was too accurate and If I could find the damn video i'd show you. I've seen the video. The HMG does, however, still have problems applying its damage - by dispersion being silly I more meant that it needs it to actually kill things properly. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7668	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:23:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The AR can do better. As someone who has prototype in both, I can pretty confidently say that my AR outperforms my HMG in basically all but the most niche of circumstances. More range? Check More damage? Check Better CQC? Check Longer ammo life? Check Better accuracy? Check So um. What's the point of the HMG again? As a side note, SMGs are just smaller, more efficient HMGs Range - Correct Damage - Incorrect, someone did a video test, the HMG is actually laser accurate, allowing you to apply your full damage CQC - ^ Longer ammo life - Yes, you get more spare clips with the AR, but your HMG clip lasts 3 times as long. 15 seconds for a discharge. Better Accuracy - See above. I'm strictly talking practical application observed from hundreds of matches using both weapon platforms. AR outperforms HMG in almost all typical situations Story / Vids / OSG
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4505	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:32:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The AR can do better. As someone who has prototype in both, I can pretty confidently say that my AR outperforms my HMG in basically all but the most niche of circumstances. More range? Check More damage? Check Better CQC? Check Longer ammo life? Check Better accuracy? Check So um. What's the point of the HMG again? As a side note, SMGs are just smaller, more efficient HMGs Range - Correct Damage - Incorrect, someone did a video test, the HMG is actually laser accurate, allowing you to apply your full damage CQC - ^ Longer ammo life - Yes, you get more spare clips with the AR, but your HMG clip lasts 3 times as long. 15 seconds for a discharge. Better Accuracy - See above. I'm strictly talking practical application observed from hundreds of matches using both weapon platforms. AR outperforms HMG in almost all typical situations VoV I fought against a heavy in a PC match. We were something like 20 meters away from each other. I had an AR with 2x complex damage mods and something like 700 eHP. I got the beat on him, and started shooting, aimed down sights and making sure all of my bullets hit. He turned around, and before I could finish him off, destroyed my suit. This experience is why I don't think the HMG is underpowered upclose, but rather people suck at aiming. I do agree however that the HMG needs a bit more range. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3342	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:34:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Cat Merc wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The AR can do better. As someone who has prototype in both, I can pretty confidently say that my AR outperforms my HMG in basically all but the most niche of circumstances. More range? Check More damage? Check Better CQC? Check Longer ammo life? Check Better accuracy? Check So um. What's the point of the HMG again? As a side note, SMGs are just smaller, more efficient HMGs Range - Correct Damage - Incorrect, someone did a video test, the HMG is actually laser accurate, allowing you to apply your full damage CQC - ^ Longer ammo life - Yes, you get more spare clips with the AR, but your HMG clip lasts 3 times as long. 15 seconds for a discharge. Better Accuracy - See above. I'm strictly talking practical application observed from hundreds of matches using both weapon platforms. AR outperforms HMG in almost all typical situations VoV I fought against a heavy in a PC match. We were something like 20 meters away from each other. I had an AR with 2x complex damage mods and something like 700 eHP. I got the beat on him, and started shooting, aimed down sights and making sure all of my bullets hit. He turned around, and before I could finish him off, destroyed my suit. This experience is why I don't think the HMG is underpowered upclose, but rather people suck at aiming. I do agree however that the HMG needs a bit more range. ADS slows down your strafe. Next time, just blindfire, the AR is still accurate anyway when doing so. Thanks for the hotfix CCP, Light Frames having 20m scan was so OP!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7668	Posted - 2013.11.17 15:36:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: VoV I fought against a heavy in a PC match. We were something like 20 meters away from each other. I had an AR with 2x complex damage mods and something like 700 eHP. I got the beat on him, and started shooting, aimed down sights and making sure all of my bullets hit. He turned around, and before I could finish him off, destroyed my suit. This experience is why I don't think the HMG is underpowered upclose, but rather people suck at aiming. I do agree however that the HMG needs a bit more range. Literally the only place where damage application can be reasonable, though you make yourself more vulnerable to headshots up close, so the DPS still stays fairly even, with the AR still probably putting out more if those headshots land. All I know is that 9 out of 10 times I'd much rather come out with a Duvolle than a Boundless because, you know, I actually want to be useful, not waddling around praying someone is bad enough to charge inside my optimal. Story / Vids / OSG
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 551	Posted - 2013.11.17 16:42:00 - [15] - Quote Amarr heavy Ak.O 2x Complex damage mods 3x Basic plate Proto everything else vs Amarr Logi Ak.0 3x Complex damage mods 4x Basic plate Duvolle SMG 1 80% nanite injector 1 Ishu Guaged Hive 1 Wyrikomi Triage Hive So, not only is my actual DPS higher, I am slightly faster, have three equipment slots, and have much more range. As well, I can still reach for my prof 5 FG whenever I need to. Mr. Hybrid Vayu


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