CCP could borrow a page or two from Eve Online's anti-bot/anti-RMT tracking methods. CCP's security team has literally 10 years experience developing algorithms designed to specifically to track specific behavior that is indicative of a bot or illegal RMT operation. They can trace millions of player-to-player transaction down to the original source, expertly hunt down and discover deep connections between two "seemingly" unrelated accounts (even if they have different IP addresses) and ban them for botting for illegal RMT operations, etc. They can even tell if you're using botting software due to specific patterns.

Did I forget to mention that Eve Online players have spies embedded within the bot communities so that CCP can find out how to better track bot users?

In a first person shooter, it shouldn't be too hard to track a modded control user. Just develop an algorithm that looks for specific patterns that cannot be replicated by normal human motor skills and is indicative of maybe an AFKer. Constantly running in circles throughout a single match while AFKing (rubber band on the controller), Constantly running into a wall throughout the whole match (same rubber band), super-constant tapping of the trigger button via the turbo function, etc.

Couldn't CCP just write some code that monitors button presses? I know for a fact that gaming companies can do it. Just look at any fighting game. The combo systems in games like tekken and mortal kombat rely on button monitoring code to make the characters fight and do combos. Couldn't CCP apply this to the problem at hand (modded controllers)

Here's how it could work: if the button presses reach a certain speed, the program could kick on and read the last 10 button presses after the program turned on. If the time in between each button press is the same, or shows a pattern, the game could auto kick the person cheating. Problem solved.

I know there are gonna be some people saying they have super fingers that are so accurate they can press the button at exactly the same time each time. I call BS. No human finger can do that. It is literally impossible for the human finger to replicate the oscillations that modded controllers produce.

Anywho what do you guys think.

They could make it so the gun simply stops firing if a limit is reached.

Instead of creating a system setting forbidding rules, monitoring and enforcing those rules it makes more sense to create the weapons so that inhuman input doesn't benefit from it that much.

I remind that 'modded' controllers are simply autofire mechanic sometimes built in with controllers - something that has happened since the 80's.

Just look for constant repetition
And do the punishment with sp and isk fines

wat modded controller problem?

Instead of creating a system setting forbidding rules, monitoring and enforcing those rules it makes more sense to create the weapons so that inhuman input doesn't benefit from it that much.

I remind that 'modded' controllers are simply autofire mechanic sometimes built in with controllers - something that has happened since the 80's.

The only fix they can come up with for that is going to screw over everybody, not just turbo users.

Couldn't CCP just write some code that monitors button presses? I know for a fact that gaming companies can do it. Just look at any fighting game. The combo systems in games like tekken and mortal kombat rely on button monitoring code to make the characters fight and do combos. Couldn't CCP apply this to the problem at hand (modded controllers)

Here's how it could work: if the button presses reach a certain speed, the program could kick on and read the last 10 button presses after the program turned on. If the time in between each button press is the same, or shows a pattern, the game could auto kick the person cheating. Problem solved.

I know there are gonna be some people saying they have super fingers that are so accurate they can press the button at exactly the same time each time. I call BS. No human finger can do that. It is literally impossible for the human finger to replicate the oscillations that modded controllers produce.

Anywho what do you guys think.

We want the game to be fair for all players. People with modded controllers have an obvious advantage because the controller allows them to do things they wouldn't otherwise be able to do. The only way to level the playing field is either ban the use of modded controllers or for CCP to send every player a modded controller. Guess which one is easier. Your solution sounds nice, but it would mean fundamentally changing every single weapon so they don't benefit from inhuman input. Wouldn't it be easier and more efficient to just kick people who use them from the match?

On a side note, just because people have been cheating since the 80's doesn't make it right.

If CCP simply monitors button presses, and kicks people who use modded controllers, how does that affect legit players?

Point 1:
There is a chance it might accidentally affect legit players


Point 2:
There are workarounds for identical keypress monitoring.
One way would be to set a macro in following way:

< shot >
< 1ms wait >
< shot >
< 2ms wait >
< shot >
< 1ms wait >
< shot >
< 3ms wait >
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.


That macro could be set to last even minutes. Too repetitive? Heck, you could even set the millisecond wait amounts to be digits from pi...




Please note: I'm neither endorsing or judging macro or autofire use.

But I most definately I want to point out flaws in any savior plan before they are implemented - espesially those which might include getting players themselves kicked or even banned!

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I'm positive, if and when CCP gets around to fixing the problem it'll have to be recoil determined by number of bullets fired within an interval as opposed to length of time trigger is active.

I'm worried about this new code affecting game performance though.
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Couldn't CCP just write some code

Point 1:
There is a chance it might accidentally affect legit players


Point 2:
There are workarounds for identical keypress monitoring.
One way would be to set a macro in following way:

< shot >
< 1ms wait >
< shot >
< 2ms wait >
< shot >
< 1ms wait >
< shot >
< 3ms wait >
.
.
.


That macro could be set to last even minutes. Too repetitive? Heck, you could even set the millisecond wait amounts to be digits from pi...




Please note: I'm neither endorsing or judging macro or autofire use.

But I most definately I want to point out flaws in any savior plan before they are implemented - especially those which might include getting players themselves kicked or even banned!

Point 1 is debatable. The human hand can't replicate the oscillation modded controllers do.

For point number 2 I see your point. As Crow said, the solution might have to be recoil based.

You missed the point: it is not cheating. It is very basic functionality.
An analogy to car games: One player has DS3 for racing game. The other has steering wheel. It is likely for the wheel user to have at least some advantage.

Permanent fire / autofire controller from 1983

Then full auto weapons need a serious kick in recoil aswell otherwise you end up with the Tac from chromosone as a mantlepiece again.

derp I'm late to the party