DUST Search - The Tactical Guide to Uplink Strategy

Phantom Gibson wrote:

Thrydwulf Khodan wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Thrydwulf Khodan wrote:

Currently (1 day after 1.8) the Amarr bonus does not appear to apply if you drop the link and swap out suits, or if you are dead and have to spawn back in.

Interesting. I haven't been able to play yet, will have to do some testing and also see if I can get infos from CCP. Seems strange to me they would program it that way.

The response seems to be "intermittent" one death I'm working at 3-5 second spawn times... The next 10-15. I believe that it may be related to calculating the bonuses incorrectly.

I had the same experience when I played one day after the 1.8 release. There hasn't been much talk about this in other threads, but there was a rumor that the Amarr bonus would disappear if you changed suits after dropping uplinks. I hope that rumor is false because it would limit the available tactics for anyone who wanted to use uplinks as their primary role.

BTW, this guide has been one of the best I've read on the forums and one of the most influential on my play style. Thanks for putting it together!

lee corwood wrote:

I am not getting the same experience. What level amarr logi do you guys have? I have maxed and even when I start out a match in my fresh dragonfly scout suit, all my uplinks are 3 seconds, no matter how many deaths.

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Thrydwulf Khodan 75	Posted - 2014.03.27 10:26:00 - [31] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Thrydwulf Khodan wrote: Currently (1 day after 1.8) the Amarr bonus does not appear to apply if you drop the link and swap out suits, or if you are dead and have to spawn back in. Interesting. I haven't been able to play yet, will have to do some testing and also see if I can get infos from CCP. Seems strange to me they would program it that way. The response seems to be "intermittent" one death I'm working at 3-5 second spawn times... The next 10-15. I believe that it may be related to calculating the bonuses incorrectly.
Phantom Gibson Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.03.28 17:40:00 - [32] - Quote Thrydwulf Khodan wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Thrydwulf Khodan wrote: Currently (1 day after 1.8) the Amarr bonus does not appear to apply if you drop the link and swap out suits, or if you are dead and have to spawn back in. Interesting. I haven't been able to play yet, will have to do some testing and also see if I can get infos from CCP. Seems strange to me they would program it that way. The response seems to be "intermittent" one death I'm working at 3-5 second spawn times... The next 10-15. I believe that it may be related to calculating the bonuses incorrectly. I had the same experience when I played one day after the 1.8 release. There hasn't been much talk about this in other threads, but there was a rumor that the Amarr bonus would disappear if you changed suits after dropping uplinks. I hope that rumor is false because it would limit the available tactics for anyone who wanted to use uplinks as their primary role. BTW, this guide has been one of the best I've read on the forums and one of the most influential on my play style. Thanks for putting it together!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 671	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:21:00 - [33] - Quote I am not getting the same experience. What level amarr logi do you guys have? I have maxed and even when I start out a match in my fresh dragonfly scout suit, all my uplinks are 3 seconds, no matter how many deaths. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2529	Posted - 2014.03.28 20:22:00 - [34] - Quote Phantom Gibson wrote: Thrydwulf Khodan wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Thrydwulf Khodan wrote: Currently (1 day after 1.8) the Amarr bonus does not appear to apply if you drop the link and swap out suits, or if you are dead and have to spawn back in. Interesting. I haven't been able to play yet, will have to do some testing and also see if I can get infos from CCP. Seems strange to me they would program it that way. The response seems to be "intermittent" one death I'm working at 3-5 second spawn times... The next 10-15. I believe that it may be related to calculating the bonuses incorrectly. I had the same experience when I played one day after the 1.8 release. There hasn't been much talk about this in other threads, but there was a rumor that the Amarr bonus would disappear if you changed suits after dropping uplinks. I hope that rumor is false because it would limit the available tactics for anyone who wanted to use uplinks as their primary role. BTW, this guide has been one of the best I've read on the forums and one of the most influential on my play style. Thanks for putting it together! You are quite welcome. You can't really separate the use of uplinks from battlefield tactics, they go hand in hand. That's what makes it interesting to me. lee corwood wrote: I am not getting the same experience. What level amarr logi do you guys have? I have maxed and even when I start out a match in my fresh dragonfly scout suit, all my uplinks are 3 seconds, no matter how many deaths. As for the Amarr logi bonus, I spent like 2 hours last night spending the dropsuit skill tree refund and am not even halfway through rebuilding my list of fittings! Boy is it ever tedious. Hopefully before the weekend is over I can get in some playtime and real testing. I have the Amarr logi maxed as well. If the bonus really does only apply when actually using the suit, that complicates things but leads to some interesting scenarios: Could you run in with a scout suit and drop some links at the beginning of a match and then switch to the amarr logi suit for the actual fighting, thus retroactively applying the spawn bonus? I might actually like that functionality better, tbh.... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Thokk Nightshade Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 21	Posted - 2014.03.29 02:35:00 - [35] - Quote Just wanted to throw a quick thank you out there to the OP and the others who offered their expertise. I'll be honest, the "facing" part of planting uplinks I didn't even think about. I was already putting them out of direct Line of sight and not in holes and stuff, but that is one aspect that didn't come to me. I guess I figured CCP would just "auto-align" the person so they didn't pop out facing a wall... I used your tips in a couple of Ambush matches and I was amazed how this one little thing could make things so much better for my team. THANK YOU AGAIN!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 674	Posted - 2014.03.29 03:50:00 - [36] - Quote Ok, I take it back. Doing more testing and I actually have video of my uplinks saying 7 seconds on ALL uplinks, not even my own and then they all count down to 3 seconds. I feel like a glitch is happening and the bonus is only applying to me even tho I haven't even picked a fitting yet and my last fitting wasn't amarr either... Something's not quite right. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Thrydwulf Khodan 75	Posted - 2014.03.29 04:33:00 - [37] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Ok, I take it back. Doing more testing and I actually have video of my uplinks saying 7 seconds on ALL uplinks, not even my own and then they all count down to 3 seconds. I feel like a glitch is happening and the bonus is only applying to me even tho I haven't even picked a fitting yet and my last fitting wasn't amarr either... Something's not quite right. I'm currently at 4/5 Amarr logi. I'm seeing 3 second timers more often than not when I'm on the Amarr suit. But not when I come in on the non-Amarr scout suit. Sometimes I see odd times and then a count down to 3 seconds. It is quite bizarre definitely so e kind of glitch.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2533	Posted - 2014.03.29 04:54:00 - [38] - Quote Did some testing myself tonight, can't make heads or tails of how the bonus works or doesn't work. They all show the same exact timers to me too. Looks like I'm going to have to go begging to the devs to give us an explanation of how it's supposed to work and if it currently is. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
RKKR The Southern Legion League of Infamy 853	Posted - 2014.03.29 06:37:00 - [39] - Quote After a wait (restocking, bleeding-out,...) spawning in was always reduced to 3 seconds unless you got insta-gibbed by something, it could be that's the 3 seconds you guys are seeing + the wrong implementations of the bonuses that I'm reading about on the bug forums.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 677	Posted - 2014.03.29 18:20:00 - [40] - Quote Started this prior to the patch, but now i'm determined to get an answer. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1998985#post1998985 Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2000	Posted - 2014.03.30 00:11:00 - [41] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Did some testing myself tonight, can't make heads or tails of how the bonus works or doesn't work. They all show the same exact timers to me too. Looks like I'm going to have to go begging to the devs to give us an explanation of how it's supposed to work and if it currently is. Would love to hear how this goes, I've been testing myself with similar results. Some of it may be the suit meta but if that has a cut off there needs to be an explicit notation of that somewhere. Much as I push for information, bad information can be worse than no information sometimes. And thinking you'll get an advantage from a suit that will never grant it counts pretty high on the "ban info" scale. Thanks for all your work here +1 Cheers, Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
Jax GG The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 84	Posted - 2014.03.31 22:11:00 - [42] - Quote ...............................................................................
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 472	Posted - 2014.04.05 20:34:00 - [43] - Quote Nice guide. Thanks for writing it up. Here's one of my hints: When a battle goes awry and the blueberries need somewhere to drop I tend to set up two uplinks with ~50 meter distance between them, at equal distance to the nearest objective. The idea is to make the blueberries spawn at both locations symmetrically so that each half will give the other covering fire when the enemy team comes by for the inevitable stomping. This also avoids granting the enemy team 500 WP from a single warbarge strike. Another one that's close to my heart: Please don't drop tons of uplinks all over the map. Yes, you get many WPs for it, but no, your team of randoms won't perform any better when each blueberry decides to drop at a different location.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2608	Posted - 2014.04.06 13:50:00 - [44] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Nice guide. Thanks for writing it up. Here's one of my hints: When a battle goes awry and the blueberries need somewhere to drop I tend to set up two uplinks with ~50 meter distance between them, at equal distance to the nearest objective. The idea is to make the blueberries spawn at both locations symmetrically so that each half will give the other covering fire when the enemy team comes by for the inevitable stomping. This also avoids granting the enemy team 500 WP from a single warbarge strike. Another one that's close to my heart: Please don't drop tons of uplinks all over the map. Yes, you get many WPs for it, but no, your team of randoms won't perform any better when each blueberry decides to drop at a different location. Good one. I actually try to do that on two sides of the map (the new scouts make this so much easier than before) to minimize the chances of spawn camping or that single devastating orbital. One related thing I have definitely learned to avoid is placing an uplink on a high tower in those type of battles. It sounds great in theory as a place that is virtually immune to spawn camping, but it seems to only encourage them to just fall back and snipe. Same thing, gets you some WP but doesn't exactly get people to push objectives. As for "spam", personally I try to not let the blueberries dictate what I do; I operate under the default assumption that I have better quality uplinks (esp post 1.8 with my Amarr logi) and will place them with more care. As such, it's still in the best interest of the team for me to do my thing. I'm not going to drop an uplink on top of someone else's obviously, but otherwise if an area needs a link, it's gonna get one! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 478	Posted - 2014.04.06 15:19:00 - [45] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: As for "spam", personally I try to not let the blueberries dictate what I do I often tend to attempt blueberry-herding. Place uplinks where you want them to go and then, if necessary, go on overwatch with a forgegun to make sure no one massacres the blues with a tank. For public matches I think 2 or 3 uplinks in relevant positions (not counting sniper-nests and non-contested points) are well enough. Any higher number just stretches the team thin. Of course this only applies if your team doesn't have any squads and you have to rely on your blueberries to bunch up to develop any sort of striking power. In a coordinated team more uplinks are (almost) always better.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2668	Posted - 2014.04.18 19:55:00 - [46] - Quote Updated for 1.8 with a new title as well! "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2732	Posted - 2014.04.28 14:49:00 - [47] - Quote More minor tweaks. Here's a video from Moody on uplinks. Not as entertaining as a lot of his videos are but it is on the same topic so... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2959	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:56:00 - [48] - Quote Thanks for reading the guide. Like my characters, it has been archived on a sleeper ship and will be reactivated if we ever reach the PS4. o7 o7 I'm out. See you on the other side. psn: bobswerski
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2044	Posted - 2014.05.18 16:29:00 - [49] - Quote Quick info bump, Mr. Demonsbane may be in stasis for the time being but his work is valuable regardless. Cheers, Cross SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3540	Posted - 2014.06.22 00:40:00 - [50] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Quick info bump, Mr. Demonsbane may be in stasis for the time being but his work is valuable regardless. Cheers, Cross Thx for the bump. I've brought it back, Rattati seems to be doing a decent enough job to give him the benefit of the doubt. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit

Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3685	Posted - 2014.06.22 07:11:00 - [51] - Quote ILY for putting it back :) I was considering going to dust search to track it down :) CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3542	Posted - 2014.06.22 16:11:00 - [52] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ILY for putting it back :) I was considering going to dust search to track it down :) I subconsciously must have known you wanted to read it. No problem. But, I'm curious, what use does a veteran (and a tanker at that) like yourself have for my guide? (The godfather of tactical logistics)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11178	Posted - 2014.06.25 20:53:00 - [53] - Quote OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNN! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166404 " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3557	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:02:00 - [54] - Quote True Adamance wrote: OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNN! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166404 Holy **** ********* ** ** (The godfather of tactical logistics)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11180	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:05:00 - [55] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNN! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166404 Holy **** ********* ** ** You won't beat me or Aero though...... however you will be a tough man to beat..... but I DO THIS 4 LUFF this is not about renaming a weapon. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3557	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:32:00 - [56] - Quote True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: True Adamance wrote: OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNN! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166404 Holy **** ********* ** ** You won't beat me or Aero though...... however you will be a tough man to beat..... but I DO THIS 4 LUFF this is not about renaming a weapon. No way I'm winning, sadly. Even if I was that good to be #1 in kills (and all the Amarr decided to go ScR) I won't be able to play enough to do it. I'm working one of the weekends and speaking at a conference out of town for another. RL gets me every time, lol. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3560	Posted - 2014.06.26 16:04:00 - [57] - Quote I read the event again, I guess playing only 1 weekend is still viable... Which of course still assumes I am anywhere near as skilled as the rest of the people on murderer's row here. Maybe I need to try to get an uplink named after me instead.... (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3620	Posted - 2014.07.06 05:12:00 - [58] - Quote Yeah so Tibs pretty much equaled my lifetime kills in a single week for this event. Not that I was serious about it, but I pretty much stopped trying right there when I saw that sh!t. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3755	Posted - 2014.07.13 03:59:00 - [59] - Quote To quote Cat Merc.... le sigh. Let's hope we logis don't have to go through yet another nerf cycle. Go here and tell Rattati he's barking (meowing? I am channeling Cat Merc here, I guess) up the wrong tree! (The godfather of tactical logistics)
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 619	Posted - 2014.07.13 17:41:00 - [60] - Quote WELL DONE Sir! Good guide - educational and useful - and to be honest I was not clear on the details of remaining in the Logi suit to make the bonus work. Just proves you can always learn something - thanks! The Logi Code. Cross Atu for CPM1 - A logical choice



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