DUST Search - Even if i put a dampers on my scout suit....

Maken Tosch wrote:

Then you need to pick your battles carefully. I already have Minmatar Scout Suit to level 5 (25% reduction total) with Profile Dampening to Level 3 (6% reduction total). This brings my overall profile down to 31dB from 45dB. Some scanners won't pick me up. But when I do get spotted by that one proto scanner, I make a run for it and try to find another place to hide and continue my sneak attacks from there.

Often times I utilize the confusion to my advanced. When an enemy group is too distracted, they don't pay attention to what's behind them. As a result, this leaves them wide open to a rear-ward attack. Just this morning, I managed to get a 7-kill streak with just the ZN-28 nova knives because I camped an objective but maintained my distance from it to avoid getting spotted. And as targets were getting distracted, I picked them off from the rear. Most of the assaults were dying to my OHKs with just the instant-slash alone.

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EDIT: Whoops, messed up on the math there. Corrected.

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negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 324	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:02:00 - [1] - Quote I'm still getting scan I thought LV 4 damper, one enhance damper, and lv 4 mimatar scout would do something Me and shotty go ham
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 792	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:05:00 - [2] - Quote That's good for advanced scanner, I believe. You'll need to sacrifice too much in order to stay under the prototype ones. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1268	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:09:00 - [3] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: That's good for advanced scanner, I believe. You'll need to sacrifice too much in order to stay under the prototype ones. According to my math it should be good enough to avoid any scanner except the duvolle focused of course. Also, it doesn't take anymore than one damp mod for a proto scout to avoid any scanner other than duvolle focused. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5100	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:25:00 - [4] - Quote If you're still getting scanned, then that means someone is using the best scanner out there. Best hope to avoid that is to max out the Gallente scout suit since that is the only suit capable of evading all scanners including the most powerful one. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Kaylee Veloc ShootBreakStab 26	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:27:00 - [5] - Quote That spread sheet fitting tool is saying you will be getting 33.12 profile with a basic light frame and 26.5 with a scout frame using those skills and setup. Which suit is it you are running?
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1420	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:39:00 - [6] - Quote negative49er wrote: I'm still getting scan I thought LV 4 damper, one enhance damper, and lv 4 mimatar scout would do something If you want complete stealth you need Max skills in it and treat it as a specialisation rather than taken for granted because your a scout like it used to generally be. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 324	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:42:00 - [7] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: That's good for advanced scanner, I believe. You'll need to sacrifice too much in order to stay under the prototype ones. According to my math it should be good enough to avoid any scanner except the duvolle focused of course. Also, it doesn't take anymore than one damp mod for a proto scout to avoid any scanner other than duvolle focused. But two dampers is to risky on a scout suit Me and shotty go ham
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:45:00 - [8] - Quote You aren't dampened enough to avoid any prototype scanners. With the specs you posted, your profile is 26.496, and the precision of all prototype scanners is at most 26, the focused being 15. The only way to avoid most prototype scanners is having Scout lv5, at least profile dampening lv3, and an enhanced dampener (STD if you have dampening 5). For the focused scanner, you need both skills at lv5 and a Scout Gk.0 with 4 complex dampeners, and that is the ONLY WAY to avoid it.
Ser Tarlon United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 61	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:45:00 - [9] - Quote negative49er wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: That's good for advanced scanner, I believe. You'll need to sacrifice too much in order to stay under the prototype ones. According to my math it should be good enough to avoid any scanner except the duvolle focused of course. Also, it doesn't take anymore than one damp mod for a proto scout to avoid any scanner other than duvolle focused. But two dampers is to risky on a scout suit Running under the radar is a good thing as a scout. Stay out of sight and slay your enemies from behind. Than get away fast enough and laugh at them. It is possible, but damn hard Black, Red - Strength, Dead
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 324	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:48:00 - [10] - Quote Ser Tarlon wrote: negative49er wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: That's good for advanced scanner, I believe. You'll need to sacrifice too much in order to stay under the prototype ones. According to my math it should be good enough to avoid any scanner except the duvolle focused of course. Also, it doesn't take anymore than one damp mod for a proto scout to avoid any scanner other than duvolle focused. But two dampers is to risky on a scout suit Running under the radar is a good thing as a scout. Stay out of sight and slay your enemies from behind. Than get away fast enough and laugh at them. It is possible, but damn hard But the minmatar scout wasn't design to be that way explain by it bonus I need to either place kinetic or cardiac modules in at least one slot Me and shotty go ham

Kaylee Veloc ShootBreakStab 26	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:49:00 - [11] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: You aren't dampened enough to avoid any prototype scanners. With the specs you posted, your profile is 26.496, and the precision of all prototype scanners is at most 26, the focused being 15. The only way to avoid most prototype scanners is having Scout lv5, at least profile dampening lv3, and an enhanced dampener (STD if you have dampening 5). For the focused scanner, you need both skills at lv5 and a Scout Gk.0 with 4 complex dampeners, and that is the ONLY WAY to avoid it. Proto scanners are 28dB aside from the 15dB variant.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 99	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:53:00 - [12] - Quote Kaylee Veloc wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: You aren't dampened enough to avoid any prototype scanners. With the specs you posted, your profile is 26.496, and the precision of all prototype scanners is at most 26, the focused being 15. The only way to avoid most prototype scanners is having Scout lv5, at least profile dampening lv3, and an enhanced dampener (STD if you have dampening 5). For the focused scanner, you need both skills at lv5 and a Scout Gk.0 with 4 complex dampeners, and that is the ONLY WAY to avoid it. Proto scanners are 28db aside from the 15 db variant. Whoops, my mistake. I guess I'm too tired to be posting on the forums right now, just ignore my ramblings (except for the parts about the focused).
Joel II X AHPA 160	Posted - 2013.11.16 14:28:00 - [13] - Quote ADV scout, 2 enhanced dampners. Solved all my scanning problems. I run gal scout. Don't know if that info is useful.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5102	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:50:00 - [14] - Quote negative49er wrote: Ser Tarlon wrote: negative49er wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: That's good for advanced scanner, I believe. You'll need to sacrifice too much in order to stay under the prototype ones. According to my math it should be good enough to avoid any scanner except the duvolle focused of course. Also, it doesn't take anymore than one damp mod for a proto scout to avoid any scanner other than duvolle focused. But two dampers is to risky on a scout suit Running under the radar is a good thing as a scout. Stay out of sight and slay your enemies from behind. Than get away fast enough and laugh at them. It is possible, but damn hard But the minmatar scout wasn't design to be that way explain by it bonus I need to either place kinetic or cardiac modules in at least one slot Then you need to pick your battles carefully. I already have Minmatar Scout Suit to level 5 (25% reduction total) with Profile Dampening to Level 3 (6% reduction total). This brings my overall profile down to 31dB from 45dB. Some scanners won't pick me up. But when I do get spotted by that one proto scanner, I make a run for it and try to find another place to hide and continue my sneak attacks from there. Often times I utilize the confusion to my advanced. When an enemy group is too distracted, they don't pay attention to what's behind them. As a result, this leaves them wide open to a rear-ward attack. Just this morning, I managed to get a 7-kill streak with just the ZN-28 nova knives because I camped an objective but maintained my distance from it to avoid getting spotted. And as targets were getting distracted, I picked them off from the rear. Most of the assaults were dying to my OHKs with just the instant-slash alone. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_orOAuS8gw/Uoe9lItvLMI/AAAAAAAADsw/8CZhiLZxg4E/w625-h833-no/20131116_124737.jpg EDIT: Whoops, messed up on the math there. Corrected. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 712	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:58:00 - [15] - Quote Do high-slot Precision Enhancers work with the Scanner? Because then nothing could beat it except a Gallente with 4 complex Dampeners. My Scout has 2 enhanced Dampeners, level 3 Dampening and I still get picked up, completely ruining my chances at being a Scout player what-so-ever.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5102	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:58:00 - [16] - Quote Since you are Minmatar scout, you will likely have to setup three different Mk.0 fittings. One with two profile dampeners, one with a mix of kin-cats and cardiacs, and one with a pure kin-kat fit. See which fitting helps you out the most. If you get spotted while wearing kin-cats, you have the advantage of getting out quickly before anyone can reach you. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5104	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:00:00 - [17] - Quote 8213 wrote: Do high-slot Precision Enhancers work with the Scanner? Because then nothing could beat it except a Gallente with 4 complex Dampeners. My Scout has 2 enhanced Dampeners, level 3 Dampening and I still get picked up, completely ruining my chances at being a Scout player what-so-ever. What level is your Scout suit at? CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1268	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:06:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: What level is your Scout suit at? That's actually not relevant here, since even a standard scout with that setup would avoid all scanners except the 15 dB one. So he's being detected by that one. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 712	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:14:00 - [19] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: What level is your Scout suit at? That's actually not relevant here, since even a standard scout with that setup would avoid all scanners except the 15 dB one. So he's being detected by that one. It has to be the Duvolle, but I only use M-1. I have to sacrifice my only low-slots for dampening now. Unless I'm play randoms, then I get to use the kin-cat one.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5105	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:15:00 - [20] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: What level is your Scout suit at? That's actually not relevant here, since even a standard scout with that setup would avoid all scanners except the 15 dB one. So he's being detected by that one. Then it's settled. He'll have to cross train into Gallente Scout level 5 to avoid ALL scanners including the 15dB one. But let's be honest here. How often does one even encounter a 15dB scanner when most suits on the field are easily picked up by just the advanced one simply because most suits on the field are either logi, assault, or heavy? If someone is in the field sporting a 15dB scanner, then that must be one paranoid merc who is dedicating himself to hunting invisible scouts. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 647	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:16:00 - [21] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: That's good for advanced scanner, I believe. You'll need to sacrifice too much in order to stay under the prototype ones. According to my math it should be good enough to avoid any scanner except the duvolle focused of course. Also, it doesn't take anymore than one damp mod for a proto scout to avoid any scanner other than duvolle focused. Show your math please. I think the problem may be in how CCP rounds off numbers. With whole number they round off digits - always up. In other words, if your stat's work out to be 35.1 (for example) dB signature, the game sees that you are 36 dB, and so you would be picked up by advanced AS that has 36 dB sensitivity. As an aside, my example is real - lv 3 min scout with level 3 dampening ends up being just over 35 dB and cannot defeat the 36 dB scanners. I hope this helps.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 647	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:21:00 - [22] - Quote negative49er wrote: Ser Tarlon wrote: negative49er wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: That's good for advanced scanner, I believe. You'll need to sacrifice too much in order to stay under the prototype ones. According to my math it should be good enough to avoid any scanner except the duvolle focused of course. Also, it doesn't take anymore than one damp mod for a proto scout to avoid any scanner other than duvolle focused. But two dampers is to risky on a scout suit Running under the radar is a good thing as a scout. Stay out of sight and slay your enemies from behind. Than get away fast enough and laugh at them. It is possible, but damn hard But the minmatar scout wasn't design to be that way explain by it bonus I need to either place kinetic or cardiac modules in at least one slot This comes up too often. Min scout is broken because CCP has broken game mechanics where they on purpose decided to take out melee combat out of the game in their erratic attempts to rework the game. As simple as that.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 647	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:26:00 - [23] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Then you need to pick your battles carefully. I already have Minmatar Scout Suit to level 5 (25% reduction total) with Profile Dampening to Level 3 (6% reduction total). This brings my overall profile down to 31dB from 45dB. Some scanners won't pick me up. But when I do get spotted by that one proto scanner, I make a run for it and try to find another place to hide and continue my sneak attacks from there. Often times I utilize the confusion to my advanced. When an enemy group is too distracted, they don't pay attention to what's behind them. As a result, this leaves them wide open to a rear-ward attack. Just this morning, I managed to get a 7-kill streak with just the ZN-28 nova knives because I camped an objective but maintained my distance from it to avoid getting spotted. And as targets were getting distracted, I picked them off from the rear. Most of the assaults were dying to my OHKs with just the instant-slash alone. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d_orOAuS8gw/Uoe9lItvLMI/AAAAAAAADsw/8CZhiLZxg4E/w625-h833-no/20131116_124737.jpg EDIT: Whoops, messed up on the math there. Corrected. I think with your set up it's not 'that one OP duvolle' proto focused AS that picks you up. All proto AS will pick you up. Their sensitivity starts at 28 dB and goes down. And this is part of the problem with min scout. It's easy to beat advanced scanners and impossible to beat proto scanners w/o sacrificing one of the two low slots to a module. Of course as everyone has said this, it's impossible for min to beat the proto focused duvolle.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1268	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:40:00 - [24] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Show your math please. 45 base profile * 0.8 (scout level 4) * 0.92 (level 4 in dampening skill) * 0.8 (enhanced mod) = 26.496 dB (lower than all scanners except the 15 dB one). Edit: Did the math for the wrong situation, is corrected now. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 712	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:03:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: What level is your Scout suit at? That's actually not relevant here, since even a standard scout with that setup would avoid all scanners except the 15 dB one. So he's being detected by that one. Then it's settled. He'll have to cross train into Gallente Scout level 5 to avoid ALL scanners including the 15dB one. But let's be honest here. How often does one even encounter a 15dB scanner when most suits on the field are easily picked up by just the advanced one simply because most suits on the field are either logi, assault, or heavy? If someone is in the field sporting a 15dB scanner, then that must be one paranoid merc who is dedicating himself to hunting invisible scouts. If you're going to be a dedicated Scanner for your Squad, why not use the very best one? Why let anything slip through the cracks? I get picked up all the time when I try to Scout against an organized team. It's flippin' annoying.


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