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Posted - 2013.11.22 07:49:00 -
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I also came from EVE to DUST, but because of my huge interest in the lore (and gameplay that is immersive within that lore) I see things a bit differently.
Ships in space are one thing, but fighting on the ground requires a great deal of variety in terms of weapons and tools. This is something that is inherent within the eve lore, but not seen in DUST just due to limited content at the moment,
One can not say that 'Caldari prefer rail weapons' just because that is a common theme in their spaceships. That would imply that Caldari forces (for the most part) all use railgun weaponry all the time and limit themselves to a single fighting doctrine based on these weapons. This is simply not the case.
The railgun is not a uniquely Caldari invention. The weapon systems were first created by the Gallente, who utilize them widely in space and on the ground as well. The Caldari use plasma weapons for close quarters fighting, vehicle applications, and on their spacecraft (blasters). Both races have corporations that manufacture these weapons, with their own unique designs and features. Both races also create missile and projectile (bullet-shooting) weapons as well for their own use.
What I'm trying to say, is that not every railgun in New Eden is Caldari-made, nor is every Plasma (blaster) weapon Gallente or Projectile weapon Minmatar (though, it is a safer bet to say that every laser weapon IS Amarrian. Perhaps not literally, but no other race really has any interest in lasers).
Should we one day get differing models for the current weapons, I have no doubt we would see varying racial designs for all the weapons that are currently the same model. Caldari plasma rifles, Gallente rail-based sniper rifles, Minmatar missile launchers, etc. Hell, even the Amarr still use projectile weapons on the ground, though they prefer the whole 'cleansing fire' trope of plasma and laser weaponry nowadays.
The point is, I don't think DUST should mimic EVE in these aspects at all, because the realities of ground combat are so different from that of naval (space navy, in this case) combat.
Like I've said before: all US missile destroyers carry Tomahawk missiles, but not every US serviceman carries an M16.
Edit: All of this was, of course, regarding weaponry. Talking about dropsuit armour, the same idioms still apply. Gallente armour, Caldari shield, etc.
Also, 'Hybrid' is a term that doesn't really fit for weapons in DUST. In EVE, hybrid weapons are called that because they use the same ammunition, and a very similar propulsion mechanism. While the rail and plasma small-arms both use magnetism to propel their projectiles, the ammo used is by no means similar. Railguns use solid flechettes, while plasma weapons use 'charges' that are solid lead + a fuse which vaporizes the lead into plasma, which is then processed into a bolt and ejected out the 'barrel'. |
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:G A L L E N T E
In terms of lore, the Gallente are a fair and democratic people. They put a high value on human life and aesthetics and their designs and mechanics should reflect this.
In terms of lore, the Amarr believe in crushing the opponent mentally and then physically. TheyGÇÖre ruthless and believe in committing horrible atrocities in the name of their god. Their designs should be both aesthetically intimidating and effective.
Get your goddamn **** straight and don't come out with ignorant crap like this. The Amarr are what they are, they believe they are good, some believe they are evil, in reality they are neither, just a necessity. The Gallente are made out by very biased devs to be some sort of jackass intergalactic good guy cicle jerk, that not as many as they would have you believe likes because of their almost oppressive and heavy handed culture. I wont bother with you mechanics without having read them they are sound. But this kind of biased bullshit really pisses me off.
Wow, someone's a bit hostile, haha.
You're a bit biased about the Amarr yourself, don't you think?
Don't let the more recent events in Gallente history turn you away from the fact that for a great long time they were (and in many cases, still are) a fair and democratic people.
I mean, we certainly don't let the recent positive attitude and human rights progress in the Empire turn US away from the fact that for a great long time, they were murdering, pillaging, genocidal bastards. >_0 |
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:58:00 -
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Case in point: About 100 years ago, just before the Minmatar rebellion. (Taken from the story 'Theodicy')
GÇ£Do you have the latest casualty estimates for Eanna?GÇ¥
There was a pause. GÇ£At last pass, sixty-three million dead, mostly from orbital bombardment directed at population centers. One million or so killed during the surface landings; another million in subsequent ground combat. At least two million were taken as slaves, but we wonGÇÖt know exact numbers for some time.GÇ¥
Thats 64 million dead, 2 million taken as slaves.
...apparently murdering 31 out of every 32 people you come across is effective 'reclaiming'
Go Amarr. Keep spreading that warm, warm, laser-like love of God. |
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Posted - 2013.11.22 09:26:00 -
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Actually, that was all DURING Heideran's rule. And to be fair they rose up to kill you because, well, you ENSLAVED them, not to mention murdered billions. The Amarrians KINDA had that one coming.
I mean, hell, the reclaiming was so destructive and pointless that even the JOVE stepped in and said 'Yeah, we gotta end this crap'", goaded the Amarr into the battle of Vak'Aioth where they utterly annihilated / humiliated their fleets, and then smuggled Gallente weapons to the Minmatar rebels.
Thank goodness Sarum is level headed / an atheist / is constantly worried that her actions might benefit the evil voice in her head so she doesn't do anything anymore. |
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:18:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:This thread has taken a decidely different turn.  I do think that Pokey clearly has the cultural / racial thrust of things correct. Until the Dust corner of the universe is more fully synch'd into EVE Lore he's pretty spot on with what he's go to work with. That said, none of the four primary races are all good or all evil...it's definetly a matter of perspecitve and the cool thing about EVE lore is that you really can find examples or paths that touch all facets of human behavior in each race. I think that's a bit of the genius behind the universe. True - I respect you championing the Amarr and I don't think Pokey was trying to hose you guys (much!). I was a little suprised at the response...you're known for pracitcal and well timed feedback on the forums, not going full on BURN THE HERETIC! 
Absolutely, that's one of the things I love about the lore as well. Hell, even the pirate factions can blur the line between good and evil (except sansha....nobody likes the sansha).
I personally don't champion the gallente, or any empire, but I love pointing out the grand atrocities the Amarr have comitted  |
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