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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:28:00 -
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Here is what I figured the HMG needs to be effective:
50m optimal range.
Increased dispersion (SLIGHTLY, it is currently laser accurate contariry to popular belief, some dudes tested it and proved it)
And finally, aim assist.
That's right, I took this weapon to the field and... Either it has little aim assist, or it doesn't have any.
Why:
50m optimal - It's a supressing weapon, if someone isn't afraid of dying from it, it isn't suppressing him.
Increased dispersion - Supression weapon. It would not affect it's CQC power, and at 50m most of the bullets will still hit. (It's just a slight increase, since it's currently laser accurate)
And aim assist - Because why the **** didn't you add it in the first place?
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
DROID EXILES
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:33:00 -
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I don't see the problem with the HMG to be honest. that doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it, but since i'm a scout, it still eats me alive.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:34:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:I don't see the problem with the HMG to be honest. that doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it, but since i'm a scout, it still eats me alive.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:
but since i'm a scout
The plasma launcher eats scouts alive soooo....
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:40:00 -
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I turned on AA with it the other day and it would pull my reticle for a moment if I stood still, without ADS and not firing.
With ADS up, the pull wasn't as hefty or long-lived.
I haven't been in a situation to better test and observe just how much it's affected when firing, as that usually means it's time to pray for a bad AR user.
After watching Ghazbaran's video, I've been doing so much better with the HMG. Like "night and day" better. Can't thank that dude enough.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:45:00 -
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It needs higher DPS if it is to keep its current range. I take down heavies in cqc with a Scrambler rifle. There's no way that should be a fair encounter, I should be shredded without a moment's notice.
Wanting extra range on the HMG is a symptom of us not having any heavy weapons, not of a UP HMG.
No.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:46:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:It needs higher DPS if it is to keep its current range. I take down heavies in cqc with a Scrambler rifle. There's no way that should be a fair encounter, I should be shredded without a moment's notice.
Wanting extra range on the HMG is a symptom of us not having any heavy weapons, not of a UP HMG.
No it really does need range.
DPS is not a factor, it does 600 DPS and unlike what people said, it IS laser accurate.
Unless you're using a modded controller, your SCR outputs around the same DPS.
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.11.13 16:51:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Here is what I figured the HMG needs to be effective:
50m optimal range.
Increased dispersion (SLIGHTLY, it is currently laser accurate contariry to popular belief, some dudes tested it and proved it)
And finally, aim assist.
That's right, I took this weapon to the field and... Either it has little aim assist, or it doesn't have any.
Why:
50m optimal - It's a supressing weapon, if someone isn't afraid of dying from it, it isn't suppressing him.
Increased dispersion - Supression weapon. It would not affect it's CQC power, and at 50m most of the bullets will still hit. (It's just a slight increase, since it's currently laser accurate)
And aim assist - Because why the **** didn't you add it in the first place?
So why the change in heart you were so dead set on keeping the AR the same what are you a liberal are something
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:03:00 -
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What I meant was keeping the hmg the same
We fight for the future of the State not our
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:05:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Here is what I figured the HMG needs to be effective:
50m optimal range.
Increased dispersion (SLIGHTLY, it is currently laser accurate contariry to popular belief, some dudes tested it and proved it)
And finally, aim assist.
That's right, I took this weapon to the field and... Either it has little aim assist, or it doesn't have any.
Why:
50m optimal - It's a supressing weapon, if someone isn't afraid of dying from it, it isn't suppressing him.
Increased dispersion - Supression weapon. It would not affect it's CQC power, and at 50m most of the bullets will still hit. (It's just a slight increase, since it's currently laser accurate)
And aim assist - Because why the **** didn't you add it in the first place? So why the change in heart you were so dead set on keeping the AR the same what are you a liberal are something
Uhhh...
Me acknowledging a weapon needs a buff means I think the AR isn't fine?
I think it's at a good place, if a bit overshadowed by the SCR.
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Jack Boost
Zarena Family
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:10:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:After watching Ghazbaran's video, I've been doing so much better with the HMG. Like "night and day" better. Can't thank that dude enough.
I wonder how it is possible that 99% of HMG users... do it wrong for so long time... And all of them want buff :)
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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4357
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:12:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Rynoceros wrote:After watching Ghazbaran's video, I've been doing so much better with the HMG. Like "night and day" better. Can't thank that dude enough. I wonder how it is possible that 99% of HMG users... do it wrong for so long time... And all of them want buff :)
I tried doing it right, but these are the problems I was met with.
Doing these simple changes to the HMG will make it a very good weapon.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:25:00 -
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35-45m optimal and judging from Ghazbaran's video, 45-51 accuracy. Make it a gun that tosses up a wall of lead with its weakness being lack of mobility, overheat and slow reload speed. The HMG needs to be treated like a heavy weapon. Hell, they can even recind the HP buff for this. It's the weapon, not the suit.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4968
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:26:00 -
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Jack Boost wrote:Rynoceros wrote:After watching Ghazbaran's video, I've been doing so much better with the HMG. Like "night and day" better. Can't thank that dude enough. I wonder how it is possible that 99% of HMG users... do it wrong for so long time... And all of them want buff :)
If I recall correctly, you run heavy with an assault rifle?
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4361
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:31:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:35-45m optimal and judging from Ghazbaran's video, 45-51 accuracy. Make it a gun that tosses up a wall of lead with its weakness being lack of mobility, overheat and slow reload speed. The HMG needs to be treated like a heavy weapon. Hell, they can even recind the HP buff for this. It's the weapon, not the suit.
Nah, that's too little.
I used the breach that has ~the same range as what you said, and I wanted to puke.
Lack of mobility and long reload speed already bring it down, now it needs stuff to bring it up.
AR's in 1.7 will have 70m range, so 50m range for the Minnie HMG being the middle range HMG sounds fair no?
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:33:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:35-45m optimal and judging from Ghazbaran's video, 45-51 accuracy. Make it a gun that tosses up a wall of lead with its weakness being lack of mobility, overheat and slow reload speed. The HMG needs to be treated like a heavy weapon. Hell, they can even recind the HP buff for this. It's the weapon, not the suit.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApjpPa-wPRifdGJRc3R5ZjVIX2M1M0JmeFp4S3MzaUE&usp=sharing#gid=0
30m Optimal
50 effective
125 absolute
Maybe change it to
60 optimal
100 effective
200 absolute
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Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
307
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:37:00 -
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It's a CQC weapon so it doesn't need a range buff. It just needs its dispersion fixed so it's not laser accurate and stops confusing people.
There also needs to be more heavy weapons. Namely a medium range one.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:42:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:It's a CQC weapon so it doesn't need a range buff. It just needs its dispersion fixed so it's not laser accurate and stops confusing people.
There also needs to be more heavy weapons. Namely a medium range one.
It's range is insulting.
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Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:54:00 -
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hmg working pretty well right now. Maybe after new guns drop.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4970
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Posted - 2013.11.13 17:59:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:35-45m optimal and judging from Ghazbaran's video, 45-51 accuracy. Make it a gun that tosses up a wall of lead with its weakness being lack of mobility, overheat and slow reload speed. The HMG needs to be treated like a heavy weapon. Hell, they can even recind the HP buff for this. It's the weapon, not the suit. Nah, that's too little. I used the breach that has ~the same range as what you said, and I wanted to puke. Lack of mobility and long reload speed already bring it down, now it needs stuff to bring it up. AR's in 1.7 will have 70m range, so 50m range for the Minnie HMG being the middle range HMG sounds fair no?
The AR does not have 70m optimal in 1.7. It does have 70m effective range, but Cosgar is referring to optimal.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:04:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:I don't see the problem with the HMG to be honest. that doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it, but since i'm a scout, it still eats me alive. TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:
but since i'm a scout
The plasma launcher eats scouts alive soooo....
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.11.13 18:11:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:35-45m optimal and judging from Ghazbaran's video, 45-51 accuracy. Make it a gun that tosses up a wall of lead with its weakness being lack of mobility, overheat and slow reload speed. The HMG needs to be treated like a heavy weapon. Hell, they can even recind the HP buff for this. It's the weapon, not the suit. Nah, that's too little. I used the breach that has ~the same range as what you said, and I wanted to puke. Lack of mobility and long reload speed already bring it down, now it needs stuff to bring it up. AR's in 1.7 will have 70m range, so 50m range for the Minnie HMG being the middle range HMG sounds fair no? The AR does not have 70m optimal in 1.7. It does have 70m effective range, but Cosgar is referring to optimal.
Correct.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:48:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Jack Boost wrote:Rynoceros wrote:After watching Ghazbaran's video, I've been doing so much better with the HMG. Like "night and day" better. Can't thank that dude enough. I wonder how it is possible that 99% of HMG users... do it wrong for so long time... And all of them want buff :) If I recall correctly, you run heavy with an assault rifle?
Me?
Sometimes.
It's nasty.
But you might also find me running a Heavy with: PlaCon, dual SMG, ScR, Shotty, MD, dual pistols, etc...
Just when you think you know what I'm deploying in, I'm going to change it up.
And, that's only if I don't want to jump into a Gallente Scout, Logi, or Assault with all of those same weapons available.
Diversity wins.
Cheeseburgers.
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