DUST Search - Black Eagle Scout

Saxbrin Shain wrote:

pseudosnipre wrote:

Sounds like a lot of the playerbase is afraid to run this suit because they might suck in it. Instead they will be hoarding them for when the open market arrives...where perceived value and relative scarcity determine price.

To recap:

Step 1. Hoard 50 copies of crappy suit that EVERYONE received
Step 2. ????
Step 3. Profit

Sometimes I'm glad this isn't a thinking man's shooter...not sure the playerbase could take the hit.

The "????" is "wait a few years".

When I played Ultima Online, players were awarded gifts for logging in around holidays. It was usually some token that could be used to redeem unique holiday-themed items. The tokens, and the items you could redeem them for, sold for decent prices when EVERYBODY had them, but a few years later when most of the tokens had been redeemed they were worth small fortunes.

The same thing happens in EVE with things like Snowballs/Snowball Launchers and those funky shuttles with the solar sails.

People will pay a ton of money for things everybody received when those things are used up and become rare.

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Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1402	Posted - 2013.11.13 15:56:00 - [31] - Quote Ok I'm looking at the suit now, and it has some interesting facts. One being that you can get rid of the shotgun and fit another light weapon. So it is possible to run a light weapon and AR. The stats are slightly better in some areas then it's G/1 counterpart. Namely it has 30 more base shields and a 8.01 base sprint speed while the G/1 has a 7.63 so with max stats the black eagle has 8.41. Not bad, but I doubt it will make up for the lack of lows.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5062	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:12:00 - [32] - Quote I actually like it. Especially as a nice challenge. No lows? No problem. Just stick to hiding like a typical "scout" (gasp), pick your targets carefully (hello, other scouts!), use short and intermittent bursts with the 'Black Eagle' Assault Rifle to maintain control, and also camp objectives like I usually do. In addition to what Cody Sietz said about the advantages of the suit, there is also the fact that this is NOT a base frame suit and therefore it still takes advantage of the Gallente Scout Dropsuit skill book bonus towards its scan range. I have level 5 with this scout suit plus level 3 Range Amplification which brings my overall scan range to at least 31 meters. That is just beyond the first circle of your mini map which means you can see farther than an objective can see (which is like 20 meters I think). Also, I went into several matches with this suit and still managed to get 11 kills total and died only about 4 times overall with the suit. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 73	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:16:00 - [33] - Quote That's why its a challenge. Do ccp a favor and use the damn suits we all know they do these things to get stats and use them to make the game (scouts) bettter. The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 336	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:53:00 - [34] - Quote Sounds like a lot of the playerbase is afraid to run this suit because they might suck in it. Instead they will be hoarding them for when the open market arrives...where perceived value and relative scarcity determine price. To recap: Step 1. Hoard 50 copies of crappy suit that EVERYONE received Step 2. ???? Step 3. Profit Sometimes I'm glad this isn't a thinking man's shooter...not sure the playerbase could take the hit.
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 336	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:55:00 - [35] - Quote axis alpha wrote: That's why its a challenge. Do ccp a favor and use the damn suits we all know they do these things to get stats and use them to make the game (scouts) bettter. +1 Please use the suits so CCP can get some data.
Saxbrin Shain Ivory Vanguard 76	Posted - 2013.11.13 17:03:00 - [36] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Sounds like a lot of the playerbase is afraid to run this suit because they might suck in it. Instead they will be hoarding them for when the open market arrives...where perceived value and relative scarcity determine price. To recap: Step 1. Hoard 50 copies of crappy suit that EVERYONE received Step 2. ???? Step 3. Profit Sometimes I'm glad this isn't a thinking man's shooter...not sure the playerbase could take the hit. The "????" is "wait a few years". When I played Ultima Online, players were awarded gifts for logging in around holidays. It was usually some token that could be used to redeem unique holiday-themed items. The tokens, and the items you could redeem them for, sold for decent prices when EVERYBODY had them, but a few years later when most of the tokens had been redeemed they were worth small fortunes. The same thing happens in EVE with things like Snowballs/Snowball Launchers and those funky shuttles with the solar sails. People will pay a ton of money for things everybody received when those things are used up and become rare.
Kahn Zo Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 74	Posted - 2013.11.13 17:07:00 - [37] - Quote I already used up my 50. I hope all enjoyed slaughtering me... I do envy the jump height on the suit thou. they were fun, I appreciate the Shotty a lot more... that was a blast. no pun intended.... Pure Gallente
DTOracle The Surrogates Of War 152	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:12:00 - [38] - Quote axis alpha wrote: That's why its a challenge. Do ccp a favor and use the damn suits we all know they do these things to get stats and use them to make the game (scouts) bettter. If CCP wants data, this is not the way to go about it. At least make the reward worth the effort. As it stands, you have to be a complete badass in a crappy suit, just to get more of said crappy suit. If you can see the point of this event, then please show it to me. A G/1 or M/1 scout is far more versatile & fun than this suit.
Mdog 24158 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:18:00 - [39] - Quote For me they are amazing :) Flying derpships and scout shotgunning 24/7 quite fun i must say
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 337	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:25:00 - [40] - Quote DTOracle wrote: axis alpha wrote: That's why its a challenge. Do ccp a favor and use the damn suits we all know they do these things to get stats and use them to make the game (scouts) bettter. If CCP wants data, this is not the way to go about it. At least make the reward worth the effort. As it stands, you have to be a complete badass in a crappy suit, just to get more of said crappy suit. If you can see the point of this event, then please show it to me. A G/1 or M/1 scout is far more versatile & fun than this suit. Plenty of self-proclaimed elite players on here...should be plenty of people posting pics of their winnings and explaining how they did it.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2121	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:39:00 - [41] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The problem is they're fun, not competitive. All Scout Suits? Or just this one? A bit of both. Even standard scouts would ruin the BEs. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2121	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:41:00 - [42] - Quote DTOracle wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The problem is they're fun, not competitive. Fun? I run a scout because it's fun to me. The Black Eagle is the least fun Dropsuit I have ever used. It's a novelty at best. Isn't novelty rather synonymous with fun? Perhaps it's not fun because you're trying to be competitive. No.
DTOracle The Surrogates Of War 152	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:42:00 - [43] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Plenty of self-proclaimed elite players on here...should be plenty of people posting pics of their winnings and explaining how they did it. This all depends on how the reward is calculated. If all you have to do is wear the suit, then won't LAV/HAV kills count? Or is base on the weapon kills?
DTOracle The Surrogates Of War 152	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:45:00 - [44] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: DTOracle wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The problem is they're fun, not competitive. Fun? I run a scout because it's fun to me. The Black Eagle is the least fun Dropsuit I have ever used. It's a novelty at best. Isn't novelty rather synonymous with fun? Perhaps it's not fun because you're trying to be competitive. Novelty - the quality of being new, original, or unusual. Not synonymous with Fun - amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 75	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:45:00 - [45] - Quote DTOracle wrote: axis alpha wrote: That's why its a challenge. Do ccp a favor and use the damn suits we all know they do these things to get stats and use them to make the game (scouts) bettter. If CCP wants data, this is not the way to go about it. At least make the reward worth the effort. As it stands, you have to be a complete badass in a crappy suit, just to get more of said crappy suit. If you can see the point of this event, then please show it to me. A G/1 or M/1 scout is far more versatile & fun than this suit. Edit: I should make it clear, that I have no skills into AR. I prefer extreme CQC or long range sniping. My Minnie is faster & my Gal scout is tougher than the Black Eagle. My biggest problem with this suit is the lack of a equipment slot, making it impossible to actually function as a scout. Everyone likes to argue that scouts aren't for frontline slaying, yet that's all this suit is good for. & Not particularly better than a dedicated slayer scout build. How about u take on the challenge and prove something instead of creating an excuse not to use a crappy suit. Participate. The best part of waking up, is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2121	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:49:00 - [46] - Quote DTOracle wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: DTOracle wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The problem is they're fun, not competitive. Fun? I run a scout because it's fun to me. The Black Eagle is the least fun Dropsuit I have ever used. It's a novelty at best. Isn't novelty rather synonymous with fun? Perhaps it's not fun because you're trying to be competitive. Novelty - the quality of being new, original, or unusual. Not synonymous with Fun - amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable. I think I know why you're not having fun. No.
DTOracle The Surrogates Of War 152	Posted - 2013.11.13 19:52:00 - [47] - Quote axis alpha wrote: How about u take on the challenge and prove something instead of creating an excuse not to use a crappy suit. Participate. I enjoy a challenge, wouldn't be a scout if I didn't. But there is a fine line between a challenge & frustration. These suits are not new to the game & have always sucked. Tried them in the past to little success, ran them today to the same results. switched to basic scout suit & started to enjoy myself. These are not scout suits, They're Commandos in spandex.
boba's fetta Operation Clone Shield 116	Posted - 2013.11.13 20:03:00 - [48] - Quote Saxbrin Shain wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: Sounds like a lot of the playerbase is afraid to run this suit because they might suck in it. Instead they will be hoarding them for when the open market arrives...where perceived value and relative scarcity determine price. To recap: Step 1. Hoard 50 copies of crappy suit that EVERYONE received Step 2. ???? Step 3. Profit Sometimes I'm glad this isn't a thinking man's shooter...not sure the playerbase could take the hit. The "????" is "wait a few years". When I played Ultima Online, players were awarded gifts for logging in around holidays. It was usually some token that could be used to redeem unique holiday-themed items. The tokens, and the items you could redeem them for, sold for decent prices when EVERYBODY had them, but a few years later when most of the tokens had been redeemed they were worth small fortunes. The same thing happens in EVE with things like Snowballs/Snowball Launchers and those funky shuttles with the solar sails. People will pay a ton of money for things everybody received when those things are used up and become rare. the zephr https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Zephyr goes for approx 20 mill with its launcher costing about a mill thesse days. snowballs melted or otherwise dont excalty cost much. half a mill for a pile of them.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4982	Posted - 2013.11.13 20:23:00 - [49] - Quote Would it be possible to wear a Black Eagles suit in a tank and have the kills count, do you think? Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 665	Posted - 2013.11.13 20:24:00 - [50] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Would it be possible to wear a Black Eagles suit in a tank and have the kills count, do you think? Nope. CCP stated the kills have to be with the 'Black Eagle' Weapons that are prefitted on the suit. Edit: Link !

Llast 326 An Arkhos 431	Posted - 2013.11.13 20:27:00 - [51] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Would it be possible to wear a Black Eagles suit in a tank and have the kills count, do you think? The kills have to be from "Black Eagle Weapons" so even switching out to what you are used won't net you new suits. So those who are shotgun and AR skilled will likely do better at reaping the rewards. I am apparently not the only fool
Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 147	Posted - 2013.11.13 20:30:00 - [52] - Quote Just went 6/1 with one of these babies. Slap a enhanced shield extender on it and find a good group to roll with. Hang back in the shadows or follow behind a large group and take advantage of the chaos. Profit. :D "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 425	Posted - 2013.11.13 20:34:00 - [53] - Quote I laugh at the people who are fitting Sniper rifles onto the suit expecting it to award them more "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1395	Posted - 2013.11.13 20:40:00 - [54] - Quote Atiim wrote: ROFL People cry that only inactive players get them, and scream that they want them too. People get 50 free copies and say "WTF is this garbage? I don't want that crap!" Indeed, I already had 10, I'm saving them all along with my other vanity suits to sell to collectors, every game has them. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 200	Posted - 2013.11.13 20:44:00 - [55] - Quote I don't know why y'all are all whining. I love the suits, i love the challenge it holds. Seriously - this suit dies faster than any of the other scouts, so you have to be even more sneakier. I have been meaning to try out the shotgun, i love wielding that thing - i still love my sniper better. Of course, i wish it had the Low Slots but still, like Awesome said, slap a shield extender on it and it is golden as black. Be sneaky, Be swift, Be precise. - the second motto of the scouts The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5063	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:59:00 - [56] - Quote DTOracle wrote: If you can see the point of this event, then please show it to me. A G/1 or M/1 scout is far more versatile & fun than this suit. It is true that the G/1 is more versatile than the 'Black Eagle' Scout suit, but there is something that the 'Black Eagle' suits offer that other suits of their class currently don't offer which is going commando because you have two light weapons on this scout suit. But principally I think the point of this event is to see how well we can do with very little offered. All too often we have relied heavily on crutches provided by the low slots in order to win any given confrontation. These suits offer a real challenge in that you are now forced to fight without those crutches anytime you wear the suit. Imagine running around with a regular Scout G/1-Series suit without any of the low slots fitted and no equipment. Would you dare put your gun game to test with that setup? At the very least you have two light weapons to help you out. Quote: Everyone likes to argue that scouts aren't for frontline slaying, yet that's all this suit is good for. & Not particularly better than a dedicated slayer scout build. It depends on what they mean by "frontline slaying". If they mean running around in the open in front of your enemies, then 'DUH' of course you're going to die no matter what you have in that scout suit even if it was a GK.0. But if they mean strategically picking out and isolating your target before engaging and make sure you have the element of surprise, then I have to say those folks are wrong to assume that scouts aren't suppose to do that. I have just completed a few more matches (with my alt of course) in this suit and I often find myself getting more kills and dying less as long as I am carefully picking my battles. I stay in the shadows, use cover, take advantage of the scan range I trained up on and the profile dampening via the Gallente Scout skill book (level 5), and make sure I go for the weakest-looking and more lonely target of any pack and I am good to go. Of course, I don't go 15-2 with this suit because I am hiding so much that I rarely run into anyone. And when I do run into someone, it is because my scan range has helped me dictate the terms of the engagement and I used cover to my advantage. With this fit, I usually go at least 5-1 so that I can break even with my suit loss. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5063	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:06:00 - [57] - Quote PS: I'm the guy who would bring a knife to a gun fight. Think about that for a sec. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Master Kail R 0 N 1 N 9	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:18:00 - [58] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: PS: I'm the guy who would bring a knife to a gun fight. Think about that for a sec. Haha, well said. P.S. Me too
Zero Notion Wraith Company 339	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:22:00 - [59] - Quote I love this suit, such a rad setup. With a basic energizer, that's 50 shield a second after a 4 second delay. Beautiful. Then again, I dig the Commando suit too.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 615	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:26:00 - [60] - Quote laughing at all you people thinking this is bad, this is what scouts deal with every day. Maybe you'll understand why scouts *****. Personally, Iv been having no problems getting 16 - 20 kills a match with one of these suits. Thinking its the AR since its an easy scrub weapon and its my first time using one on a scout suit since im not spec'd into them. Scout, Tanker, Dropship Pilot, AV'r Alts - Medrean Delt / Moselder Telend (Pure Innocence) / Mledean Delt (Capsuleer)



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