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Aeon Amadi wrote:

Flix Keptick wrote:

God Hates Lags wrote:

I'm going to be the unpopular one and say that I really don't want a roll over system. The current system is a good compromise between the a passive SP system like in Eve where essentially there's no motivation to play, and a no limits system that favors hardcore no life grinders.

The current system keeps players active, if a rollover is implemented the numbers will plummet as everybody waits for the game to get better, secure in the knowledge that they aren't missing anything by not playing.

What I propose instead as a solution to the divide in SP is to limit pub matches to standard items, FW to Advanced, and PC to proto, or the like. That gives an incentive to fully level up while also ending protostomping.

I like that the grind in this game doesn't feel constant; you have to cap out once a week but you everything feels smoother with a soft weekly limit.

Once proto is eliminated from Pubs I think we'll find that a rollover system was never needed or a good idea for opening the game up to new players.

If the player count plumets then it means the game is bad!!! You get a player base if your game is good, not because said players feel the need to play as not to miss out on anything.

This is what happened with Eve Online. There's no necessity or requirement to play, but 60,000 people log in every day because they -want- to play it. This is one of those very few amazing games that you come up with your own motivations and ambitions, there is no campaign and there are no 'lines' to move around - it's all up to you!

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Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1263	Posted - 2013.11.14 05:26:00 - [61] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: God Hates Lags wrote: I'm going to be the unpopular one and say that I really don't want a roll over system. The current system is a good compromise between the a passive SP system like in Eve where essentially there's no motivation to play, and a no limits system that favors hardcore no life grinders. The current system keeps players active, if a rollover is implemented the numbers will plummet as everybody waits for the game to get better, secure in the knowledge that they aren't missing anything by not playing. What I propose instead as a solution to the divide in SP is to limit pub matches to standard items, FW to Advanced, and PC to proto, or the like. That gives an incentive to fully level up while also ending protostomping. I like that the grind in this game doesn't feel constant; you have to cap out once a week but you everything feels smoother with a soft weekly limit. Once proto is eliminated from Pubs I think we'll find that a rollover system was never needed or a good idea for opening the game up to new players. If the player count plumets then it means the game is bad!!! You get a player base if your game is good, not because said players feel the need to play as not to miss out on anything. This is what happened with Eve Online. There's no necessity or requirement to play, but 60,000 people log in every day because they -want- to play it. This is one of those very few amazing games that you come up with your own motivations and ambitions, there is no campaign and there are no 'lines' to move around - it's all up to you! Exactly, that's the kind of game people stick to in the long run. Because there is no end to the fun (unlike a campain, like you said) "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1263	Posted - 2013.11.14 05:29:00 - [62] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The roll over system was stopped because it would completely destroy CCP's profit margin. Why waste several boosters on a month of grinding when you can simply opt to not play, then activate a booster once the rollover total is maxed and blow it all out of the park at once? This is a free to play game. They aren't making any money if you aren't paying for something. Let them have their profit on that. There are plenty of other legitimate things to ***** about. Passive boosters hmmmm? "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
Ninjanomyx Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 431	Posted - 2013.11.14 09:29:00 - [63] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Excellent timing. This was actually the topic the CPM discussed in the most depth during our meeting with the monetization team last night. We pushed hard on the merits of the rollover system, including possibilities like allowing new players to grind up to a maximum cap thats determined by where vets are at SP-wise (a single universal moving cap, essentially). The reason this relates to monetization is only that CCP is essentially throwing away both PCU and monetization opportunity by killing the morale to play Dust once you've hit your weekly cap. The marketing team was really receptive to our push for this, so hopefully they'll coordinate and discuss with the design department to get the ball rolling. We were sure to remind everyone at CCP that this was more or less promised, and than abandoned....the decision had already been made. Thanks for all the community support, I just wanted to let you know the CPM is working internally on this issue alongside you. Incorrect assertion..... Focusing on SP as a Player Retension Tool is simply a "Crutch". A Game is not defined by your growth...but the journey to grow. As it currently stands this Title is like working an Assembly Line. Once I "Clock Out" I'm relieved that I may finally play other Titles & don't have to see this one for another Week. SP as a Focal Point only leads to Forced Burnout & Server Activity Stat Padding..... This is an unhealthy practice & should be frowned upon. The Focal Point should be on making this a Game....not a Minigame Side-Job. I'll even suggest a Roadmap Revision for ya: 1. After 1.7 or 1.8, provided the promised Launch Content & Changes are in place (& even before if possible...), getting PvE implemented should be Priority 1. This should alleviate the New Player "Experience" while providing an alternative escape to prevent burnout. "Protostomp" would become less of an issue since you may now join toghether in Cooperation towards a common goal under far less stressful circumstances. As a result you generate New Players at an accelerated rate since you are now opening up to a wider variety of Playstyles. Couple this with solid Tutorials & you strike Gold. 2. Focus on solidifying the link between EVE & DUST. Player Trading/Open Market would be a must at this point to solidify the Link & stimulate the META. Trickle in New Content in drips & drops. 3. Balancing current Content would be a step in the right direction. There would be less QQ over "OP" this & that since you may escape via PvE until the situation is sorted out. 4. Bursts of New Content would freshen things up at this stage of Development. At this point the Community would view E3 & Fanfest Presentations with less Dread & more Head. Establish a more Open World experience over time & the originally intended promise of the Vision will become increasingly opaque. 5. Pats on the back & take it EZ. Get drunk & be merry. Then continue along a magical path of sunshine & lollipop flavored Bacon. In between each Step I'm suer you will monetize the S**T out of it, so that goes without saying. You're welcome PS: Delete the Immersion breaking "Magic Grass" BS & fix Large Turret Rendering so I may see past my Treads.....KthxBAI

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 1743	Posted - 2013.11.14 09:36:00 - [64] - Quote Thread locked due to ongoing discussion with the CPM regarding the same topic: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121114&find=unread Please post all your feedback there. Thank you! CCP Frame



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