DUST Search - Respec solution

Cosgar wrote:

The Robot Devil wrote:

Thorgen Barr wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs.

Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are

It's funny that for someone who defends the use of proto gear in pubgames on the basis that they have it and can afford to use it so why not , however you criticise ppl for spending money on an incomplete game when you can apply the same logic .. it's their money they earnt it so they can spend it how they want ... OH .. WAIT A SECOND ... you protostomp and therefore you justify your actions with that reasoning on the 1 hand however .. you can't afford to spend money on a game to pay for a respec therefore you criticise anyone else that does .. now I see ..

'cough' ..Hypocrite .. 'cough'

PS I said everyone gets 1 free and new players get 1 free at 5m SP .. you only actually pay for an optional respec after the initial free 1

The game will never be finished so I hope they give repsecs when the finish it. The game will always be tweaked and added to, when is the game going to be finished?

Core content. We don't even have all the racial dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons yet. Once those are out, we should all get a respec.

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Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:02:00 - [1] - Quote -CCP create a 40,000 Aurum item that allows a complete respec but it has a 12month CD before it can be used again -Give every existing character 1 untradeable version of this item -For any new character created after this has been done they will recieve 1 untradeable version of this item when they hit 5m SP, this will allow new players to try out various weapons suits etc to get an idea about how they want to play and what they want to specialise in so that when they hit 5m SP they can then use their SP wisely .. this would actually give new players the safety net that they need and not force them to spend another 6 months grinding sp to rectify mistakes they made in their 1st 2/3 months of playing With all the constant nerfing, buffing of the existing items within the game as well as the lack of content that we have right now which means there is still going to be alot added (we don;t even have racial variants of all suits and weapons still) there is no way this game can keep rejecting respecs, either stop changing the items we currently have in game so that the things we skill into actually stay as the things we originally skilled into or keep messing around with the current stats and give the players respecs so they aren;t stuck with something that you have made useless
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 349	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:03:00 - [2] - Quote No, it must be fair to all other players too. *Assassination is my thing.*
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 20	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:03:00 - [3] - Quote Or go to this thread and post more possible ideas that you like there: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=118583
Cosgar ParagonX 7670	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:05:00 - [4] - Quote Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 20	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:05:00 - [5] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: No, it must be fair to all other players too. How is it not fair? Everyone gets one free one. Then every 12 months you have the option to buy one. Everyone has this option so it is a choice to do it or not.... Everyone gets the same thing, how is this not fair. (Although I would shorten the time from 12 months to 1 month personally).
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:05:00 - [6] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: No, it must be fair to all other players too. Ya did read that I said every1 is given a free untradeable version as a once only offer and new players are given 1 for free at 5m sp right ?? An optional respec every 12 months at the cost of 40k Aurum seems fine to me ..
IceShifter Childhaspawn DUST University Ivy League 371	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:15:00 - [7] - Quote I like the idea of the SP Drain booster. You apply it to a particular branch of your skill tree, which immediately becomes disabled, and the SP is refunded over a week or 2. Respecs are fine as long as there is no FOTM to worry about. I found it a hassle to redo ALL of the core skills again, when all I wanted to reset were my previously good, then nerfed, weapons. Though I wouldn't mind regain some the SP I have spent on vehicles or drop suits.
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:23:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are It's funny that for someone who defends the use of proto gear in pubgames on the basis that they have it and can afford to use it so why not , however you criticise ppl for spending money on an incomplete game when you can apply the same logic .. it's their money they earnt it so they can spend it how they want ... OH .. WAIT A SECOND ... you protostomp and therefore you justify your actions with that reasoning on the 1 hand however .. you can't afford to spend money on a game to pay for a respec therefore you criticise anyone else that does .. now I see .. 'cough' ..Hypocrite .. 'cough' PS I said everyone gets 1 free and new players get 1 free at 5m SP .. you only actually pay for an optional respec after the initial free 1
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 423	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:24:00 - [9] - Quote Thorgen, I think he means that we should have free respecs until this game gets more content We should not pay for an unfinished game. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:24:00 - [10] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: I like the idea of the SP Drain booster. You apply it to a particular branch of your skill tree, which immediately becomes disabled, and the SP is refunded over a week or 2. Respecs are fine as long as there is no FOTM to worry about. I found it a hassle to redo ALL of the core skills again, when all I wanted to reset were my previously good, then nerfed, weapons. Though I wouldn't mind regain some the SP I have spent on vehicles or drop suits. Having a 12 month CD would completely nullify that issue

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 1017	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:25:00 - [11] - Quote No respec to anyone sounds fair. For the Empire! Dual tanking is a sin. Well fuck me I can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:27:00 - [12] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Thorgen, I think he means that we should have free respecs until this game gets more content I said in the OP every1 gets a free respec item and they can choose when they activate it so they can use it straight away or save it til a later date and use it when something they want comes out ..
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1497	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:28:00 - [13] - Quote I like how they already said no, yet this is still being argued 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:28:00 - [14] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No respec to anyone sounds fair. Well it clearly isn't as it punishes new players but I forgot you are so out of touch with 80% of the player base that you actually think protostomping is good for the game too xD
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2694	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:32:00 - [15] - Quote Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are Stopped taking this guy seriously when he said that. My signature is too appropriate for these idiots. The newer the berry the dumber the juice.
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 56	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:34:00 - [16] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are Stopped taking this guy seriously when he said that. My signature is too appropriate for these idiots. Go back to protostomping new players
Chit Hoppened Xer Cloud Consortium 162	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:41:00 - [17] - Quote This whole Respec issue really bothers me. Living with your choices is one thing but the amount of change that has been going through this game is absurd. CCP needs to figure out how to do a skill transfer system that allows you to work on a new skill while using an old skill's Skill Points to fuel it. You'd still gain normal Skill Points which take some out of the one skill and puts them into the other but you wouldn't be able to dump more in to either of them because they would be locked due to the transfer. It would allow you to still use the first skill but it gets worse over time as you start using the second. Have it so you can only do it to one set of Skills at a time and make it so they have to be in the same Skill Tree. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
Cosgar ParagonX 7671	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:44:00 - [18] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are Stopped taking this guy seriously when he said that. My signature is too appropriate for these idiots. Not even worth responding to anymore, right? P.S. The only thing proto I really use is equipment and sidearms. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:48:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are Stopped taking this guy seriously when he said that. My signature is too appropriate for these idiots. Not even worth responding to anymore, right? P.S. The only thing proto I really use is equipment and sidearms. Don't post on my thread then, I didn't want to hear your opinion in the 1st place CCP Regulate the forums and ban the trolls Discussion and debate not Trolling and anger
Cosgar ParagonX 7673	Posted - 2013.11.11 20:50:00 - [20] - Quote Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are Stopped taking this guy seriously when he said that. My signature is too appropriate for these idiots. Not even worth responding to anymore, right? P.S. The only thing proto I really use is equipment and sidearms. Don't post on my thread then, I didn't want to hear your opinion in the 1st place Lol, what're you going to do? Take your ball and go home? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1214	Posted - 2013.11.11 21:18:00 - [21] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: No, it must be fair to all other players too. How is it not fair? Everyone gets one free one. Then every 12 months you have the option to buy one. Everyone has this option so it is a choice to do it or not.... Everyone gets the same thing, how is this not fair. (Although I would shorten the time from 12 months to 1 month personally). Buying a respec is pay to win. We don't need respecs we need racial gear and things to do. Reallocating SP will not help anything, it will only make a few players happy till the next wave of tweaks happens. After that the whole cycle of "I need a respec" threads will start all over. Just like every .whatever has caused. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7507	Posted - 2013.11.11 21:19:00 - [22] - Quote I believe that the solution to respecs is to give us a respec. Just sayin', it doesn't need to be so complicated. (not that I'm necessarily against your idea, though I hate the idea of AUR respecs, personally) Fan Fiction \ Broke Dropship Pilot /
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1214	Posted - 2013.11.11 21:20:00 - [23] - Quote Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are It's funny that for someone who defends the use of proto gear in pubgames on the basis that they have it and can afford to use it so why not , however you criticise ppl for spending money on an incomplete game when you can apply the same logic .. it's their money they earnt it so they can spend it how they want ... OH .. WAIT A SECOND ... you protostomp and therefore you justify your actions with that reasoning on the 1 hand however .. you can't afford to spend money on a game to pay for a respec therefore you criticise anyone else that does .. now I see .. 'cough' ..Hypocrite .. 'cough' PS I said everyone gets 1 free and new players get 1 free at 5m SP .. you only actually pay for an optional respec after the initial free 1 The game will never be finished so I hope they give repsecs when the finish it. The game will always be tweaked and added to, when is the game going to be finished? Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Cosgar ParagonX 7687	Posted - 2013.11.11 22:00:00 - [24] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are It's funny that for someone who defends the use of proto gear in pubgames on the basis that they have it and can afford to use it so why not , however you criticise ppl for spending money on an incomplete game when you can apply the same logic .. it's their money they earnt it so they can spend it how they want ... OH .. WAIT A SECOND ... you protostomp and therefore you justify your actions with that reasoning on the 1 hand however .. you can't afford to spend money on a game to pay for a respec therefore you criticise anyone else that does .. now I see .. 'cough' ..Hypocrite .. 'cough' PS I said everyone gets 1 free and new players get 1 free at 5m SP .. you only actually pay for an optional respec after the initial free 1 The game will never be finished so I hope they give repsecs when the finish it. The game will always be tweaked and added to, when is the game going to be finished? Core content. We don't even have all the racial dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons yet. Once those are out, we should all get a respec. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Thorgen Barr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 61	Posted - 2013.11.11 22:05:00 - [25] - Quote Cosgar wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Thorgen Barr wrote: Cosgar wrote: Paying to respec in a game that's not complete is like buying the newest CoD or Madden every year when they should've just been expansion packs. Some people work for a living, we aren't all as poor as you are It's funny that for someone who defends the use of proto gear in pubgames on the basis that they have it and can afford to use it so why not , however you criticise ppl for spending money on an incomplete game when you can apply the same logic .. it's their money they earnt it so they can spend it how they want ... OH .. WAIT A SECOND ... you protostomp and therefore you justify your actions with that reasoning on the 1 hand however .. you can't afford to spend money on a game to pay for a respec therefore you criticise anyone else that does .. now I see .. 'cough' ..Hypocrite .. 'cough' PS I said everyone gets 1 free and new players get 1 free at 5m SP .. you only actually pay for an optional respec after the initial free 1 The game will never be finished so I hope they give repsecs when the finish it. The game will always be tweaked and added to, when is the game going to be finished? Core content. We don't even have all the racial dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons yet. Once those are out, we should all get a respec. That'll be months away I can;t wait another 6 months to get a respec .. if 1.7 doesn't have a respec then this game is getting replaced .. CCP Regulate the forums and ban the trolls Discussion and debate not Trolling and anger
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 869	Posted - 2013.11.11 22:16:00 - [26] - Quote Thorgen Barr wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: No, it must be fair to all other players too. Ya did read that I said every1 is given a free untradeable version as a once only offer and new players are given 1 for free at 5m sp right ?? An optional respec every 12 months at the cost of 40k Aurum seems fine to me .. But that means not p2w players can only respec once. That's not fine, in fact it's actually p2w. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 351	Posted - 2013.11.12 15:41:00 - [27] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: No, it must be fair to all other players too. How is it not fair? Everyone gets one free one. Then every 12 months you have the option to buy one. Everyone has this option so it is a choice to do it or not.... Everyone gets the same thing, how is this not fair. (Although I would shorten the time from 12 months to 1 month personally). Blueberries aren't cos they haven't got any skill points that they've earned. *Assassination is my thing.*
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1658	Posted - 2013.11.12 15:55:00 - [28] - Quote Nah just give everyone a free respec every year
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.11.12 16:05:00 - [29] - Quote IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote: I like the idea of the SP Drain booster. You apply it to a particular branch of your skill tree, which immediately becomes disabled, and the SP is refunded over a week or 2. Respecs are fine as long as there is no FOTM to worry about. I found it a hassle to redo ALL of the core skills again, when all I wanted to reset were my previously good, then nerfed, weapons. Though I wouldn't mind regain some the SP I have spent on vehicles or drop suits. Unfortunately level 5 in one skill does not equal the same number of SP as level 5 in another skill (due to training point multipliers on more complex skills). So for this idea to work it would instead have to be based on SP per hour (or SP per tick like the passive gain is). This would mean having to keep track of partially trained skills (like in EVE Online) however there is currently no mechanism for doing so in DUST as you can only train a skill level in whole or not - no partials. So unless they want to revamp the skill training in DUST to be able to accommodate partially trained skills, this idea isn't going to work. It's a really good idea, but it won't work under current mechanics. 8(
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 25	Posted - 2013.11.12 16:06:00 - [30] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: No, it must be fair to all other players too. How is it not fair? Everyone gets one free one. Then every 12 months you have the option to buy one. Everyone has this option so it is a choice to do it or not.... Everyone gets the same thing, how is this not fair. (Although I would shorten the time from 12 months to 1 month personally). Blueberries aren't cos they haven't got any skill points that they've earned. He accounted for that by saying they get theirs at 5 million SP... Thus blueberries get em too... and at a point where they would need it.



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