DUST Search - 3-5 Second Delay for OBs

Rynoceros wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Rynoceros wrote:

My .02 ISK:
OBs need to be reworked to reflect 6 man squads and more ways to gain WP.

5000 WP.
Every member of the squad gets +10 WP instead of the Squad Leader getting free WPs & Kills for the squad putting in work.

Not sure I'm following you. Every WP gained in the squad, no matter how you got them counts. Full squads that are working together are incentivized by gaining orbitals...sounds like a good thing to me. 2500 works...no compelling reason to change.

Do you mean every squad members gets some WP and kill assists from the OB strike? I do like that idea...pretty smart.

The current standard 2500 WP to call an OB was implemented when we only had 4 man squads. There were no WPs for Equipment Destruction, Repping(?), Scanning, etc.

5000 is more than reasonable. That's less <850 WP average per squad member to call 1 OB in a match. Most full squads should still be able to drop at least 2.

And Yes, every member of the squad should get a +10 WP Assist per Orbital kill, not the squad leader reaping all of the benefits of the work that 5 other people put in.

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Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3180	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:38:00 - [1] - Quote OBs are like cheap killstreaks right now, the only way to counter them is to hug a wall, and hope for the best. There needs to be a warning, something like that annoying announcer saying "Get the **** out of there" Either increase their cost, or make a delay, and warning. (A 5000WP Cost) Save General John Ripper! Catz Addict
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1051	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:42:00 - [2] - Quote There is a delay and a warning its just its only useful if your a scout "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3180	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:43:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: There is a delay and a warning its just its only useful if your a scout Even my Scout has no chance of escaping. (Thats with two Catz in my lows) Save General John Ripper! Catz Addict
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Proficiency V. 108	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:43:00 - [4] - Quote what i do if I'm running by myself is i look at the clone count and just try to figure out if a squad would be near a orbital
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 260	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:48:00 - [5] - Quote I must say I am conflicted by this. They're designed to kill and wipe an area, but It'd be much more fulfilling to be able to run away from an incoming OB. So -¦1? Also, make an audible difference between friendly and enemy OBs. The amount of times I've tried to book it away from friendly OBs is embarrassing... 'Insert witty signature here'
DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 305	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:53:00 - [6] - Quote Isnt there a little delay between when you request a strike and it being launched when its an eve pilot? The NPC ones just immediately materialize and are basically free kills.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2069	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:53:00 - [7] - Quote Yup, sucks when you have no chance to get away from the TROLOLOLOL cannon Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Ploo-Koon Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 273	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:57:00 - [8] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: OBs are like cheap killstreaks right now, the only way to counter them is to hug a wall, and hope for the best. There needs to be a warning, something like that annoying announcer saying "Get the **** out of there" Either increase their cost, or make a delay, and warning. (A 5000WP Cost) I've actually gotten away from quite a few orbitals, it doesn't work every time. You can't be at the center of the strike but: When you hear the OB noise, begin backing up and when you see/hear the first hit stop and don't move. If you are inside a structure find a wall and hug the hell out of it until the strike is over. Then again, I've probably just been lucky and no strategy actually works. (GöÉGöî ).....[ a¦Å^Gûá ].....{ a¦Å\°/a¦Å }.....( : : )
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 299	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:58:00 - [9] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: OBs are like cheap killstreaks right now, the only way to counter them is to hug a wall, and hope for the best. There needs to be a warning, something like that annoying announcer saying "Get the **** out of there" Either increase their cost, or make a delay, and warning. (A 5000WP Cost) Right now it's all about your quick addition skills... finding obvious groups and adding up 2500 WP between them and making sure you aren't around any big group's of blueberry's.... Though if your annoying enough... being a single merc in the middle of a field won't save you
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 243	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:01:00 - [10] - Quote Not in favor of this at all. OB mechanics and WP accrual tie is working very well...I don't see any driving reason to change. As to it being a cheap kill streak...it's neither cheep nor a kill streak. The average full squad will earn one about half way thru a match - takes time and some consistent effort. I don't call it a kill streak, it's simply an strike weapon that works on exposed targets. Quite a few maps have critical areas under cover as well. I don't see the need for an extended warning either...that's kind of the point of the orbital. Once you hit a certain point in a match you should pretty much expect that if you are a) multiple guys taking an objective, b) multiple guys defending a game changing objective, or c) my personal fav, a particular offensive sniper, forger, or tank you are prime candidate to get splashed by the Proto God Laser.

Scheherazade VII 114	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:01:00 - [11] - Quote you should need a hell of a lot of WP and you should be excluded from being able to get OBs if you are just sniping on a rock. And I agree about the delay too. OBs can turn the game around, take out your entire team, wipe out your uplinks. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 878	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:01:00 - [12] - Quote I was playing yesterday and my team had been pushed toward our red line. We started to mount a counter offensive and was pushing our way back into the city. The enemy did not like the fact that we were kicking there A and was gaining ground, so what did they do? They dropped an orbital on us. My wife was watching and what she said summed it up. She called it a B** Move. I laughed so hard knowing she was right, the team I was on was turning things around and making life hard for the other team so the only way they could stop us, was an orbital. Do not eat the yellow snow
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2070	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:46:00 - [13] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: OBs are like cheap killstreaks right now, the only way to counter them is to hug a wall, and hope for the best. There needs to be a warning, something like that annoying announcer saying "Get the **** out of there" Either increase their cost, or make a delay, and warning. (A 5000WP Cost) Nerf the one thing in the game that's supposed to be OP? GTFO No.
21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 272	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:56:00 - [14] - Quote I WANT CAPITAL ORBITALS. If you think the current orbital system is bad the you will love capital orbitals. I think orbitals are currently just fine though. I don't fight for the Amarr. I fight *with* them.
Goro Scornshard DUST University Ivy League 22	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:03:00 - [15] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: I WANT CAPITAL ORBITALS. If you think the current orbital system is bad the you will love capital orbitals. I think orbitals are currently just fine though. Um... Wouldn't a capital superweapon just crack the planet open? A Minmatar in an Amarr suit.
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1106	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:07:00 - [16] - Quote OBs are a bit silly, in many cases its like the referee notices that the MMA behemoth has the drunk homeless guy bleeding from the ears and hands him a sledge hammer.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 431	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:11:00 - [17] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: you are prime candidate to get splashed by the Proto God Laser. I heard the current OB's are STD level O_o The Sinwarden
LHughes Under 16's Club 170	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:18:00 - [18] - Quote Just take away NPC Ob's so that you need someone Eve side to give you it This would reduce pub stomps and make PC alot more merged (Dust & Eve)
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 84	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:19:00 - [19] - Quote If you dont like orbitals just wait for friendly fire to be turned on in factional. They might as well turn them off when they turn friendly fire on. There is no use for them thanks as many negative points from kills as actual kills and it cleans your whole team out as well.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1262	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote My .02 ISK: OBs need to be reworked to reflect 6 man squads and more ways to gain WP. 5000 WP. Every member of the squad gets +10 WP instead of the Squad Leader getting free WPs & Kills for the squad putting in work. Cheeseburgers.

21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 273	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:38:00 - [21] - Quote Goro Scornshard wrote: 21yrOld Knight wrote: I WANT CAPITAL ORBITALS. If you think the current orbital system is bad the you will love capital orbitals. I think orbitals are currently just fine though. Um... Wouldn't a capital superweapon just crack the planet open? NO KILL LIKE OVERKILL! AM I RIGHT ! I don't fight for the Amarr. I fight *with* them.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1950	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:38:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah we need to halve all WP gain or remove it totally from orbitals too. Makes 0 sense that one should contribute to the next. That's called a kill streak and not a tactical advantage that we as a squad work towards. Removing / lowering WP for them means squad leaders will be considering how the reaction to the orbital can gain them WP, far more tactical than drop and win. "..things that some people frankly don't even get the chance to do in real life, because it's poorly designed." -Veigar
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 244	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:44:00 - [23] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: you are prime candidate to get splashed by the Proto God Laser. I heard the current OB's are STD level O_o Ha! Pretty much...first time you see the tactical strike form an EVE player you'll see the difference. 8 shots, not the 6 from the warbarge. The EVE pilot can also use different weapon load outs for different effect.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 244	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:46:00 - [24] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: If you dont like orbitals just wait for friendly fire to be turned on in factional. They might as well turn them off when they turn friendly fire on. There is no use for them thanks as many negative points from kills as actual kills and it cleans your whole team out as well. I think it will be a pretty incredible forcing function for team coms and cooperation. Also means I'm probably not hitting a FW match unless I have at least two ally squads synch'd in.
21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 273	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:47:00 - [25] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: you are prime candidate to get splashed by the Proto God Laser. I heard the current OB's are STD level O_o Ha! Pretty much...first time you see the tactical strike form an EVE player you'll see the difference. 8 shots, not the 6 from the warbarge. The EVE pilot can also use different weapon load outs for different effect. Pilot based orbitals are amazing. I don't fight for the Amarr. I fight *with* them.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1201	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:50:00 - [26] - Quote Then all weapons should have a slow projectile speed like the plasma cannon that way we can see it coming and get out of the way.. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 244	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:50:00 - [27] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: My .02 ISK: OBs need to be reworked to reflect 6 man squads and more ways to gain WP. 5000 WP. Every member of the squad gets +10 WP instead of the Squad Leader getting free WPs & Kills for the squad putting in work. Not sure I'm following you. Every WP gained in the squad, no matter how you got them counts. Full squads that are working together are incentivized by gaining orbitals...sounds like a good thing to me. 2500 works...no compelling reason to change. Do you mean every squad members gets some WP and kill assists from the OB strike? I do like that idea...pretty smart.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 848	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:01:00 - [28] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: OBs are like cheap killstreaks right now, the only way to counter them is to hug a wall, and hope for the best. There needs to be a warning, something like that annoying announcer saying "Get the **** out of there" Either increase their cost, or make a delay, and warning. (A 5000WP Cost) there is a warning, and precisions strikes are going to be removed from real game modes shortly.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2366	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:05:00 - [29] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: OBs are like cheap killstreaks right now, the only way to counter them is to hug a wall, and hope for the best. There needs to be a warning, something like that annoying announcer saying "Get the ** out of there" Either increase their cost, or make a delay, and warning. (A 5000WP Cost) Is the only way i can Drop Some Fast tanks. So no. They actually need to be faster.and Stronger The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....**
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 754	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:24:00 - [30] - Quote I wonder if it would be interesting and better to have some kind of animation, as seen in one of the trailers, that an orbital is incoming. Of course this would only work with thick atmospheres and non-laser based orbitals. Basically, the high velocity of the projectiles (missiles, plasma weapons, and projectile weapons) would ionize the atmosphere, causing the gas around the projectiles to glow, making them visible from the ground. It should take a few seconds (around 5, maybe?) between initial visual cues and impact. You should also be able to judge whether or not they will fall on you, meaning, if you see streaks, you're safe, but if you only see glowing dots, then you're ****ed if you don't hide. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1262	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:41:00 - [31] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Rynoceros wrote: My .02 ISK: OBs need to be reworked to reflect 6 man squads and more ways to gain WP. 5000 WP. Every member of the squad gets +10 WP instead of the Squad Leader getting free WPs & Kills for the squad putting in work. Not sure I'm following you. Every WP gained in the squad, no matter how you got them counts. Full squads that are working together are incentivized by gaining orbitals...sounds like a good thing to me. 2500 works...no compelling reason to change. Do you mean every squad members gets some WP and kill assists from the OB strike? I do like that idea...pretty smart. The current standard 2500 WP to call an OB was implemented when we only had 4 man squads. There were no WPs for Equipment Destruction, Repping(?), Scanning, etc. 5000 is more than reasonable. That's less <850 WP average per squad member to call 1 OB in a match. Most full squads should still be able to drop at least 2. And Yes, every member of the squad should get a +10 WP Assist per Orbital kill, not the squad leader reaping all of the benefits of the work that 5 other people put in. Cheeseburgers.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10089	Posted - 2013.11.10 23:15:00 - [32] - Quote Blah time to poke the devs over this again. Pros for longer delay between broadcast and firing: allows reactive behavior. Cons for longer delay: reactive behavior could nullify the OB (especially with vehicles.) I do believe its a bit too short though right now so a slight bump up would be nice. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Laser Rifle =// Unlocked
neurol forever Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2013.11.10 23:17:00 - [33] - Quote OB is OP and warning message? How about announcer "Some one is behind you" or "Sniper is pointing at you"? Sorry for my English.
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3199	Posted - 2013.11.10 23:22:00 - [34] - Quote neurol forever wrote: OB is OP and warning message? How about announcer "Some one is behind you" or "Sniper is pointing at you"? Please no. She doesn't shutup already, if she spoke everytime a sniper has a bead on me, my ears would begin to bleed, thats how annoying she is. If an Orbital is shot from Orbit (Or even a Warbarge) do you not think something would be able to pick that up and send a warning to ever merc in the area? Or at least, there is another idea that isn't as "Hand holding", when an OB has been called, the sky flashes (Red for an enemy OB, blue for a friendly), which is then followed by a 2-5 second delay, then the OB hits. Save General John Ripper! Catz Addict
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 498	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:08:00 - [35] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Is the only way i can Drop Some Fast tanks. So no. They actually need to be faster.and Stronger What you want is not faster orbital strikes. What you want is to target an orbital strike on an actual vehicle target instead of a static area. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Talos Vagheitan 167	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:10:00 - [36] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: OBs are like cheap killstreaks right now, the only way to counter them is to hug a wall, and hope for the best. There needs to be a warning, something like that annoying announcer saying "Get the **** out of there" Either increase their cost, or make a delay, and warning. (A 5000WP Cost) So, you'd like a warning that gives everyone enough time to escape? Or in other words, completely nullify OB's altogether. Also, are you aware that in FW, EVE pilots are now going to be required for OB's? Do you still want nullified despite that? EDIT: And just for the record, for the most part I feel OB's are fine the way they are. In FW an EVE pilot is required so they should be very effective. And in Public Matches, they effectively are a killstreak reward, which is also fine by me. Who cares what some sniper has to say
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 249	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:05:00 - [37] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Rynoceros wrote: My .02 ISK: OBs need to be reworked to reflect 6 man squads and more ways to gain WP. 5000 WP. Every member of the squad gets +10 WP instead of the Squad Leader getting free WPs & Kills for the squad putting in work. Not sure I'm following you. Every WP gained in the squad, no matter how you got them counts. Full squads that are working together are incentivized by gaining orbitals...sounds like a good thing to me. 2500 works...no compelling reason to change. Do you mean every squad members gets some WP and kill assists from the OB strike? I do like that idea...pretty smart. The current standard 2500 WP to call an OB was implemented when we only had 4 man squads. There were no WPs for Equipment Destruction, Repping(?), Scanning, etc. 5000 is more than reasonable. That's less <850 WP average per squad member to call 1 OB in a match. Most full squads should still be able to drop at least 2. And Yes, every member of the squad should get a +10 WP Assist per Orbital kill, not the squad leader reaping all of the benefits of the work that 5 other people put in. Good points about evolution of the game and WP generation. I could see bringing it to 3000 to 3500 per orbital...maybe. I actually would increase the orbital assist to 15pts per kill, 2pts per equipment.
Gods Architect Pradox One Proficiency V. 922	Posted - 2013.11.11 02:14:00 - [38] - Quote easy solution if its mid game don't travel in a big group I created Heaven and Hell I am God's Architect Dust Illuminati soldier Member of the Godslayer Gang and King of RP
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 79	Posted - 2013.11.11 02:34:00 - [39] - Quote Orbitals should not be tied to War Points. War Points in general are a fairly bad mechanic that doesn't really have a place, lore-wise. Some on here have suggested secondary objectives that would begin a timer/accumulate orbital strike points and would be something to fight over whilst not being directly tied to win/loss. In that regard, a team being badly beaten on clones/MCC damage could maintain a hold on the orbital relay and bring in much-needed support. If the enemy team switches gears and moves on the relay, that gives them the opportunity to attack the now less defended NULL cannons. It's a better way, in my opinion, than arbitrary point allocation.
Cosgar ParagonX 7623	Posted - 2013.11.11 02:54:00 - [40] - Quote Replace "game" with orbital bombardment and you get what orbitals should be like aesthetically and in terms of fair warning. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"



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