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CharCharOdell 1665	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:00:00 - [31] - Quote MN: assault gets +5%/lvl to projectile weapon clip size GA gets -5%/lvl PG/cpu for plasma tech CA gets +5%/lvl range to rail tech AM gets -5%/lvl heat build up for laser tech All assaults get +3%/lvl effectiveness of armor and shielextenders/plates Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1270	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:41:00 - [32] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: . . Eve stuff . . It's in Eve, therefore it should be in Dust? That's it? Come on man, this is an opportunity to create and/or maintain some real diversity in this game. There has to be a better reason to restrict our choices in the game than conformity to existing trends. How does it restrict choices? If anything it broadens them. As of right now you can only get the perk that skill gives you when you wear the suit. 2 assault bonus and 2 logi. That is restricting diversity. How do we do anything different if there are only these two options? Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Argent Mordred DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:46:00 - [33] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: . . Eve stuff . . It's in Eve, therefore it should be in Dust? That's it? Come on man, this is an opportunity to create and/or maintain some real diversity in this game. There has to be a better reason to restrict our choices in the game than conformity to existing trends. How does it restrict choices? If anything it broadens them. As of right now you can only get the perk that skill gives you when you wear the suit. 2 assault bonus and 2 logi. That is restricting diversity. How do we do anything different if there are only these two options? Because why would anyone run a different type of weapon then what their suit receives bonus's for? I am a caldari assault, if I get a bonus to rails, I should run rails. If I don't, then I am wasting a perfectly good bonus. And not only am I wasting the bonus, any other weapon I can use is not worth using, as I will never be as good with it as the suit with the bonus for that type of weapons. Why should I fight the way another faction does, when users of that faction's gear will always be better at? That would be setting me up to lose.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4272	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:50:00 - [34] - Quote Argent Mordred wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: . . Eve stuff . . It's in Eve, therefore it should be in Dust? That's it? Come on man, this is an opportunity to create and/or maintain some real diversity in this game. There has to be a better reason to restrict our choices in the game than conformity to existing trends. How does it restrict choices? If anything it broadens them. As of right now you can only get the perk that skill gives you when you wear the suit. 2 assault bonus and 2 logi. That is restricting diversity. How do we do anything different if there are only these two options? Because why would anyone run a different type of weapon then what their suit receives bonus's for? I am a caldari assault, if I get a bonus to rails, I should run rails. If I don't, then I am wasting a perfectly good bonus. And not only am I wasting the bonus, any other weapon I can use is not worth using, as I will never be as good with it as the suit with the bonus for that type of weapons. Why should I fight the way another faction does, when users of that faction's gear will always be better at? That would be setting me up to lose. You must consider this from a racial design stand point. An Empire manufacturing these suits like ship hulls would design it to best benefit its own technological inclinations. Now I agree, suits need bonuses that reflect the racial attributes of that class, in the case of assaults weapon benefits for those racial weapons. Its not just a matter of "its in EVE" its a matter of "it makes sense within our universe". Using what you have is just another part of New Eden. Ever wonder why you don't see Amarr Battleships with Auto Cannon or Missile? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1156	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:54:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Argent Mordred wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: . . Eve stuff . . It's in Eve, therefore it should be in Dust? That's it? Come on man, this is an opportunity to create and/or maintain some real diversity in this game. There has to be a better reason to restrict our choices in the game than conformity to existing trends. How does it restrict choices? If anything it broadens them. As of right now you can only get the perk that skill gives you when you wear the suit. 2 assault bonus and 2 logi. That is restricting diversity. How do we do anything different if there are only these two options? Because why would anyone run a different type of weapon then what their suit receives bonus's for? I am a caldari assault, if I get a bonus to rails, I should run rails. If I don't, then I am wasting a perfectly good bonus. And not only am I wasting the bonus, any other weapon I can use is not worth using, as I will never be as good with it as the suit with the bonus for that type of weapons. Why should I fight the way another faction does, when users of that faction's gear will always be better at? That would be setting me up to lose. You must consider this from a racial design stand point. An Empire manufacturing these suits like ship hulls would design it to best benefit its own technological inclinations. Now I agree, suits need bonuses that reflect the racial attributes of that class, in the case of assaults weapon benefits for those racial weapons. Its not just a matter of "its in EVE" its a matter of "it makes sense within our universe". Using what you have is just another part of New Eden. Ever wonder why you don't see Amarr Battleships with Auto Cannon or Missile? I seem to remember hearing about people fitting Autocannons to non-Minmatar ships since they are capless. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 262	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:54:00 - [36] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: An MD with an 8 Round Barrel? Plz no. Not as bad as a 75 clip AR Oh but they already have better! 90 clip biatch. -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 572	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:54:00 - [37] - Quote What about bonuses that only affect the racial rifles for each assault suit. Caldari rail rifle gets a 2% charge up time reduction/ or a reload speed reduction Gelente Rifles gains +2% range per level Minmitar rifle gains a +2% to mag size Amarr rifle Gains a +2 heat reduction per level *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4272	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:57:00 - [38] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: I seem to remember hearing about people fitting Autocannons to non-Minmatar ships since they are capless. Depends, though you would be better suited to use them on Gallente ships, and even then .....blasters are just better on the Megathron.... I also suppose Khanid ships are missile amarr boats, and the Guristas Drone Caldari boats. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2310	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:17:00 - [39] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: . . Eve stuff . . It's in Eve, therefore it should be in Dust? That's it? Come on man, this is an opportunity to create and/or maintain some real diversity in this game. There has to be a better reason to restrict our choices in the game than conformity to existing trends. How does it restrict choices? If anything it broadens them. As of right now you can only get the perk that skill gives you when you wear the suit. 2 assault bonus and 2 logi. That is restricting diversity. How do we do anything different if there are only these two options? This idea that factions should stick to their own gear serves no gameplay purpose. It restricts choices because rather than having all weapons, and finding a way to make a bonus work for your weapon, you are instead told that unless you adhere to some lore-based principle, you don't get any bonus. In defending these racial bonuses, you only need answer one question: Why is it important to the game that a Gallente suit should use a Gallente weapon? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2311	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:19:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Argent Mordred wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: . . Eve stuff . . It's in Eve, therefore it should be in Dust? That's it? Come on man, this is an opportunity to create and/or maintain some real diversity in this game. There has to be a better reason to restrict our choices in the game than conformity to existing trends. How does it restrict choices? If anything it broadens them. As of right now you can only get the perk that skill gives you when you wear the suit. 2 assault bonus and 2 logi. That is restricting diversity. How do we do anything different if there are only these two options? Because why would anyone run a different type of weapon then what their suit receives bonus's for? I am a caldari assault, if I get a bonus to rails, I should run rails. If I don't, then I am wasting a perfectly good bonus. And not only am I wasting the bonus, any other weapon I can use is not worth using, as I will never be as good with it as the suit with the bonus for that type of weapons. Why should I fight the way another faction does, when users of that faction's gear will always be better at? That would be setting me up to lose. You must consider this from a racial design stand point. An Empire manufacturing these suits like ship hulls would design it to best benefit its own technological inclinations. Now I agree, suits need bonuses that reflect the racial attributes of that class, in the case of assaults weapon benefits for those racial weapons. Its not just a matter of "its in EVE" its a matter of "it makes sense within our universe". Using what you have is just another part of New Eden. Ever wonder why you don't see Amarr Battleships with Auto Cannon or Missile? I don't know if it's what you intended, but you just made quite a good case against these racially themed bonuses. No.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4275	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:21:00 - [41] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: I don't know if it's what you intended, but you just made quite a good case against these racially themed bonuses. I don't see a reason why you shouldn't have racially theme bonuses, no one is being punished, only rewarded to specific fits, you can still do as you please. Just look at those crazy twats who auto cannon up Ventures....and win in pvp fights. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 149	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:24:00 - [42] - Quote Instead of a suit bonus and massive, why not make it into a Racial bonus you get when you create your character and make it 1-3% once instead of stacking? http://tinypic.com/r/raz3uo/5 http://i44.tinypic.com/25jbk7t.gif Contact WaTcHoUt1219 ZARTA for logo 500K ISK. more to
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1273	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:55:00 - [43] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: . . Eve stuff . . It's in Eve, therefore it should be in Dust? That's it? Come on man, this is an opportunity to create and/or maintain some real diversity in this game. There has to be a better reason to restrict our choices in the game than conformity to existing trends. How does it restrict choices? If anything it broadens them. As of right now you can only get the perk that skill gives you when you wear the suit. 2 assault bonus and 2 logi. That is restricting diversity. How do we do anything different if there are only these two options? This idea that factions should stick to their own gear serves no gameplay purpose. It restricts choices because rather than having all weapons, and finding a way to make a bonus work for your weapon, you are instead told that unless you adhere to some lore-based principle, you don't get any bonus. In defending these racial bonuses, you only need answer one question: Why is it important to the game that a Gallente suit should use a Gallente weapon? Same reason Amarr assault gets a bonus to laser weapons. Running an Amarr assault with anything but a scram or laser is wasting the bonus for the suit. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 950	Posted - 2013.11.25 08:10:00 - [44] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: An MD with an 8 Round Barrel? Plz no. The MD is an explosive based weapon, it wouldn't be affected by this bonus. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered. REMOVE ALL BPOs
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2342	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:46:00 - [45] - Quote Thoughts are good for you. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB


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