Welcome to New Eden, where technology has evolved to allow Forge Guns to be equal to Swarm Launchers. By that same logi, we should re-do drop uplinks, as a PRO drop uplink shouldn't have the same capabilities as a CRU.

My end goal is complete balance between the two. Problem is there are some tankers who want AV to be useless. I bet my life that no-one on this entire forum heck even CPMs and DEVs could post a link to a thread where I've said that I want vehicles removed from the game completely.

A forge gun should be equal to a swarm launcher, that's called balance.

And BTW, you owe AV for some of those win because if we didn't destroy those tanks, you would have gone pop! (Like most crappy tankers who think that simply driving a Madrugar should grant you god-like power and the ability to lock entire squads out of combat),

Lets ignore that everything you listed infantry players have to worry about as well in addition to every other weapon in the game
Lets ignore that there are many real world single man portable weapons capable of destroying a MBT since this is a game
But lets focus on "One person should not be able to destroy a tank"
Tell me why you think that, "Because its a tank" is not an answer
Is it because of the SP investment? How about the fact that getting a weapon, modules, core skills and a frame to carry all that has a comparable cost but with more empty SP sinks with no benefit
Is it the ISK cost? If so then please explain to me why you support pay to win

Im all ears

Oh I didn't realize he was in the same corp as you.

Swarms = Forge is balanced.

Otherwise, you'd have an imbalance between the two.

And in terms of capability, the FG is better because it can be used as a super sniper if you put them on a roof. Just ask Tankahiro and Godin, they'll tell you all about it.

But yeah a FG has the ability to kill dropsuits, and is free-fire. That means that you don't have to always worry about your swarms crashing into a wall, which is what usually happens.

So yeah, in a sense Forge Guns are much better than Swarm Launchers.

Firstly, thank you for your contribution. However, I am never grateful for any allied tanker's assistance. More often than not, you destroy installations which are valuable to me for strategic advantage. You also harvest kills, which leaves fewer enemies for me to engage with (which is kinda the point of playing). And I don't play to win, I don't play for SP and I certainly don't play for K/D.

I play to play.

Also, you're complaints are quite interesting; Tankers have to put up with enemy tanks? I can't even comment on that politely. And you have a massive bullseye printed on you because you have an unbalanced ability to kill everything in sight - we need to get you down as quickly as possible and as you have clearly pointed out - it takes a large number of the opposing team to tackle you. I don't mind that, it inspires team work, but if the guns don't work then we'll need the whole team switching to AV just to kill one player.

Thank you again.

I was referring to supply depots and CRUs, I already stated that turrets are nigh useless. (And yes it is possible to kill a tank with one, but only if the driver is unaware and inept. - Harpiya)

The debate here truly rises between weak and strong tanks, soka or madrugur.

I do not expect my militia swarm launcher to be able to destroy a Madrugur. I don't want it to. Neither my advanced AV grenades. But a good tank driver will never allow me to get close enough to use AV grenades of any kind. And in real world warfare tanks are heavily supported and in communication with infantrymen, drones or spy satellite. When I sit in a tank turret I spend half the time on the map directing my driver to enemy HAVs and installations. Whenever an uki comes close I hop out and gun him down. If played carefully an HAV can be invincible.

If you don't want to lose it, what is it doing sitting out in the open? Why is it sitting there waiting for another burst of swarm instead of high-tailing it into cover?

But if you're expecting to get away with prowling solo around map deep in enemy lines, soaking in missiles and bouncing off AV grenades then your view of what an FPS MMO with 31 other players in each match is downright selfish and kinda silly.

I want tanks to survive entire matches when they are supported by their team and within their own lines. I do not think the current set up is balanced. I don't believe anyone is getting enough ISK for their efforts on the battlefield. I think if you bring a tank, get 30+ kills and win the match you should get a massive payout, 1m+ ISK.

Changes I would make (with further consideration and debate of course!)

Scan profile of tanks should be vast and they should be visible to a whole team when one merc has sights on them, and it shouldn't disappear for 3 seconds! (I know this is serious and ppl should mic up and comm. but they don't - so this is the solution). HAVS could also be louder - if you were a merc on the field you would know if one was close and which direction - this doesn't come through the tv or headphones well enough.
Turrets should be either last longer, be better placed or have higher ROF.
Destroying a neutral structure should harvest 0 WP.
AV grenades should not home in and perhaps have their own skill tree.
Swarm launchers should have a Heavy version which deals significant damage.
SL target range should not be reduced (except for militia./basic and if pt.SL really are as broken as they say perhaps should not deal as much damage).
Tank flares, counter missiles, EMP bursts or some measure of defense for tanks (which require timing and skill) should be deployed!
More ISK for effort.
Even though we are not talking about dropships they should have flares too (but then they'd be invincible, no?)

NOTE: most of my changes are in support of tanks, I just want them to remain vulnerable.

If tanks are much easier to destroy it will take the fun out of killing them! But the game needs to be balanced: Give them more ISK and let me keep my AV. Then what have they to complain about?

Peace.